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Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: BEP on September 11, 2007, 07:44:24 PM
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References to the control being inside? I have the impression the goal will not be realized until the control is inside. Why?
There is mention about electronic noise. I can believe that. There must be something else.
Speculation: Since time distortion does occur with similar devices (more than I have done this - Thankfully.. This has been done at Universities and by folks with resonable credentials) - Would it not make sense to put the control inside - where the control is in the same time domain/plane/reference as the magnetic fields it controls?
This would be very important if wave interference/summation/etc/etc is supposed to happen.
If my speculation is correct any device using external controls would need to be extremely complex to make up the difference. This would be a good reason to also put tube controls inside - as it appears in the 97 volt TPU.
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In the videos, SM is holding a small pickup loop oriented normal to a vertical plane passing through the center fo the TPU, and the loop is located just OUTSIDE the large TPU. He is measuring the intensity of the fields.
That fact coupled with some common sense electronics tells us that there could be serious interference to control circuitry placed outside IF IT'S NOT PROPERLY PROTECTED of course.
Magnetic fields have a nasty habit of induceing voltages in PC boards  :)
But at the center of the TPU, the fields are almost zero, why?  Vectorial component cancelation, that's why.  Does that tell us anything about the field pattern?  Even lobes? Odd lobes?  :)
There are so many clues in the videos
EM
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@EM
Often I think I've missed out on clues. I thought I had seen all the videos now. I don't recall that one - with the loop and measuring.
I don't recall seeing any with external controls. Are there any with external controls?
It takes me half an hour to view a 30 second clip so I probably missed it.
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@EM
I appreciate your thoughts on my question. I see you as having your Elec theory down pat.
Now after having time to relax and get some chow I fired up an old friend (coil) because your mention of strong outside field didn't sound right. Yes, it is right but not for this old freind of mine. Indeed it was as I remembered. There is very little field outside the coil. Almost all measurable field is along the vertical axis and strongest in the center (using a pickup loop -- diode to meter).
It does nothing except create heat if fed for more than several seconds. It was meant for short bursts.
Is it possible SM was using the loop to look for unwanted magnetic field on the outside?
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I have 4 SM videos saved on my computer and one of them shows the pickup loop (I think it's the main UEC video, and it's a long video !!)
You are correct about a "conventional" coil, or loop (or even solenoid), the magnetic field is the strongest INSIDE.   So what does that tell us about the TPU coils :)   They are UNCOVENTIONAL, and the largest current flows where? On the vertical TOROIDAL winding, that's the main one that builds up the STANDING WAVE RESONANCE, and judging by his statements, he would have to use even lobes (so they come in pairs and cancel the fields at the center, if indeed it's so problematic as he claims)
But there are ways to get around the interference problem.  A good book on EMC will reveal a number of "tricks" once can use to supress radiated emissions and succeptability to receiving them. There are good design practices and codes to follow.  But to answer your question I haven't seen a TPU with the control on the OUTSIDE, except the smaller TPUs and it was probably a switch that was on the outside.
EM
P.S. Oh and by the way, if we place the electronics FAR FAR away from the TPU, again that should be ok, The fields have a donut shape just like the toroid albeit an inflated donut where in the center you're protected only because the fields cancel but in the vicinity of the TPU on the outside, you will be hit by the rotating waves, unless ofcourse we move far far away from it.
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HEY TO ALL
a like to say to all everubody is put me down
but im good man and i teling you when S.M said earth elktromagne fild ho is move the elktrones in the wire
for all ho whant to read please
S.M said 6000 cicle <<6000Hz>> whit dc voltage << way is teling this >> :o
i teling you if you have a simple radio FM and find where is not be a stations i mean beatveane 2 stations you can listen a noise i that noise is about 6000 Hz anther time i whill send to all to see way is like that S.M said his divices is like a recivers S.M said if you tune clouse to the raid frek then hi whill get burn itself
i said is like this if you have noise 6000 that nois is smaler voltage but is constant whit no variable voltage ,, if yo put in the raid fre. whit variable nf nose then whill hapend this
in 1 second the voltage whill be a big then in the anther second whill be small
that is the reason way is a stability is hi divices is if S.M catch the raid station his voltage whill be variable A NOISE OF 6000 CICLE <<FREK.>> IS PERFEKT FOR THIS DIVICES NO VARIABLE
way dc voltage the ansver is so simple if you have high frek whit audio modulation insaid the high frek yuo put only a simple diode you then whill separated the high frek. of audio frek the simple diode whill be to provide dc voltage from hihg frekk , but whit 6000 hz insaid
imagen if you have osciloscope if you put dc in to the scale whill up but if you put in this dc voltage nois whit 6000 hz the osciloscope be like this
the dc whill be up of + whit sinuse noise
is obviuse is so simple S.M said
THE WIRE IS IMPORTANT AND COIL OPERATIONS <<WAY>> man S.M said golden thing if you thing and thing there is the ansver
in the end i said this DC VOLTAGE WHITT 6000 CICLE
WIRE IS IMPORTANT COIL OPERATIONS
EARTH ELEKTROMAGNET FILD
TELLING THE TRUE
MY LITLE HELP IS IF YOU MUVE SMALL MAGNET WHIT HIGH SPEED TO A SIMPLE WIRE YOU GET THE MORE POWER OF THE SIMPLE WIRE <<<< IF YOU CHANGE MAGNET IN TO A HIGH SMALL ELKTROMAGNET WAVE THEN YOU GET THE POWER >>
VERY SMALL ELKTROMAGNET WAVE WHIT HIGH SPEED IS LIKE BOMB YOU THEN WHILL MOVE ELEKTRONES WHIT VERY HIGH SPEED IMAGEN THIS IS NO NEED BATERY FOR THIS DIVICES HI ONLY NEED A ELEKTROMAGNET WAVE WHIT VERY VERY SMALL OR MICRO VOLTAGE BUT MUST BE WHIT HIGH FREK .. THEN YOU GET THE IF YOU NEED A 1000 OF AMP HAT IS THE ANSVER TO ALL SECRETS OF DIVICES
S.M is teling the true but whit secret in his worlds the key is thi
EARTH ELEKTROMAGNET WAVE
WIRES IS IMPORTANT COIL IN OPERATIONS
AND 6000 HZ WHIT DC VOLTAGE
I WHIL SEND TO ALL TO SEE THIS IN THE VIDEO CLIP TO PRUVET HIS DIVICES IS POSIBLE AND IS SO SIMPLE SEE YOU AND THING IF YOU ANDRSTEND SOME OF THIS I HAVE TELL YOU NO BATERY NO CIRCUITS WHIT TRASISTORS ONLY WIRES AND COILS WHIT DIODE THAT IS ANSVER
BY FROM MACEDONIA
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Hi Macedonia CD,
I like what you are saying !!ÂÂ
I hope you don't mind, but I want to retype your text. It helps me understand it better as well.  You are improving your English and I admire your efforts to type in another language, so continue posting.
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HEY TO ALL,
I would like to say to all,  Everybody is puting me down ! ÂÂ
But I'm a good man, and I'm telling you that when S.M says: "the earth's electromagnetic field  is moving the electrons in the wire" (he means it)   For all that want to read (his words/letters to verify the statement), please do.
S.M mentions 6000 cycles << or 6000 Hz>> with a dc voltage  << why is he saying this? >>ÂÂ
I'm telling you that if you have a simple FM radio, and tune it to a spot where there are no stations, I mean right between 2 stations,  you can listen and hear a noise of about 6000 Hz !!!  Some other time I will send (or post) more info so you can all see why that is.
Now, S.M said his device is like a receiver, also, S.M said if you tune too close to the right frequency then you run the risk of getting burned.
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I say it's like this: if you have noise of 6000 Hz, that noise is a small voltage but constant, with no variable voltage. If you put in the right frequency, with this variable Rf noise, then this is what will hapend: in 1 second the voltage will be big then in another second it will be small.
That is the reason way there is instability in his devices.  It's because if S.M catches, or tunes to the right station, his voltage will be variable.  A NOISE OF 6000 CYCLES <<or FREQUENCY.>> IS PERFECT FOR THESE  DEVICES, NO VARIATION !!!
Why a DC voltage?  ÂÂ
The answer is so simple, if you have high frequency with audio modulation, instead of the high frequency alone,  you can put (or insert) only a simple diode to separated the high frequency from the audio frequency.   The simple diode will be to provide (or separte) the DC voltage from the high frequency, but with the 6000 hz instead.
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Imagine if you have an osciloscope. If you put DC in to scale, it will go up, but if you put in this DC voltage noise of 6000 hz, the osciloscope will be like this: the DC will be up of (+)  with the sinusoidal noise.  It's obvious !!  It's so simple !!
S.M said:
THE WIRE IS IMPORTANT AND COIL OPERATIONS    <<WHY (did he say that)??>>ÂÂ
Man, S.M said a golden thing !!! ÂÂ
If you think and think about it, there is the answer !!!
In the end, I say this:
1)  DC VOLTAGE WITH 6000 CYCLES
2)  WIRE IS IMPORTANT,  COIL OPERATIONÂÂ
3)  EARTH ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD
4)  SM IS TELLING THE TRUTH
  ÂÂ
MY LITTLE HELP IS THIS:
IF YOU MOVE A SMALL MAGNET, WITH HIGH SPEED, PAST A SIMPLE WIRE, YOU GET MORE POWER FROM THE SIMPLE WIRE (then if moved slowly)ÂÂ
<<<< IF YOU CHANGE THE MAGNET INTO A HIGH SPEED SMALL AMPLITUDE ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVE, THEN YOU GET LOTS OF POWER (due to the speed of light the waves are traveling at) >>>>
A VERY SMALL ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVE,  WITH HIGH SPEED, IS LIKE A BOMB !! YOU THEN WILL MOVE ELECTRONS WITH VERY HIGH SPEED !!ÂÂ
IMAGINE THIS:ÂÂ
THERE IS NO NEED FOR A BATTERY, FOR THESE DEVICES.  HE ONLY NEEDS AN ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVE WITH A VERY VERY SMALL, OR MICRO VOLTAGE AMPLITUDE, BUT IT MUST BE WITH A HIGH FREQUENCY.  THEN YOU GET THE CURRENT YOU NEED !!  THE 1000s OF AMPS!!! ÂÂ
THAT IS THE ANSWER  TO ALL THE SECRETS OF HIS DEVICES !!ÂÂ
S.M is teling the truth, but with secrets in his words !
The key is this:
1)  EARTH ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVE ÂÂ
2)  WIRES ARE IMPORTANT, COIL OPERATIONÂÂ
3)  AND 6000 HZ WITH DC VOLTAGEÂÂ
I WILL SEND TO ALL TO SEE THIS IN A VIDEO CLIP, TO PROVE HIS DEVICES ARE POSSIBLE AND SO SIMPLE, SO YOU CAN SEE AND THINK IF YOU UNDERSTAND SOME OF THIS. ÂÂ
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, NO BATERY, NO CIRCUITS WITH TRANSISTORS, ONLY WIRES AND COILS WITH A DIODE.ÂÂ
THAT IS THE ANSWER !! ÂÂ
BYE from MACEDONIA
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@MACEDONIA
I agree with your thoughts. I believe no control circuits are needed to produce this energy.
I also believe control is needed to prevent the 'bomb' effect you mentioned. It is not difficult to wind coils that produce voltage. The difficulty is when you finally understand how you then realize what happens when it runs away!
Any controls I make are for two purposes.
1. Get it started.
2. Keep it from blowing up :)
I can't wait for your video or any other thoughts!
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Hello all,
yes, and with a Mobius....
Otto
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Hello all,
yes, and with a Mobius....
Otto
Interesting mobius page and speaks of interacting with earth's magnetic field. Pic looks like mobius wind for the control coils rather than the collector coil. What if both type coils were mobius wound? Mobius coils creating mag fields on a mobius strip?
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tripole.htm
Kent
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Guys, there is nothing mysterious about the JNaudin moebius coil.
Of course there is a center pole, look how he winds it!!
Notice the wire changes direction at the center.  He basicaly has two bucking solenoids, No mystery there.ÂÂ
EM
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well i have studied the inside control coils in the big device, and my conclusion is that it is utilized out of a total of 4 what i call "half moon"coils.
in the cut to pieces tpu is a big speaker magnet placed on a foam piece, so this could be to let the magnet vibrate, if this is the case i assume there is a coil right under the magnet in the controller box.
also in the open tpu we can see a coil like thing under the magnets.
the open tpu's are verry similair to a classical yoke which has a balanced magnetic field on top due to some magnets placed on the upper ring.
based on that we have a vibrating magnet, four half moon coils, acoustics etc...
then it surely starts to look like this,
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Hmmm...
Let the magnet vibrate? If 7.8 (or whatever it is today) is where it vibrates best it stands to reason - There is where the most magnet movement will happen so also best induction. I'm sure it isn't that easy.
If we hit that magnet with two freeks that result in a strong 7.8 then same result ???
@Otto
Have you tried flipping your top collector so any current travels the same direction as the bottom collector? If so then current in the top would complete the circle in less time - since the top one is smaller. Might save another scope and still give you a difference between top and bottom. Just my opinion :)
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Another reason why the controls are placed in the middle might be because of distance.
If he's pulsing 3-4 coils the phases have to be right, otherwise the accelerating field will get out of sync.
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Here's an angle.
If you had a TPU with four coils, and you put a compass in the middle and pulse on the two leads, I have found the compas will not turn, It will lock. See A.
But if you put the TPU on its side, and place the compass in the center, it turns like crazy. See B.
So if you put the TPU back to the horizontal position, the field is not turning in a circular rotation, but from outwards to inwards rotation.
See C.
So if you have a pair of inductors in the center, these will pick up the field strength and transduce this to current. That's why he would start it with a magnet and once the TPU coils started to produce a field, these would continue to feed the inductors. Also the inductors could be on a zener diode at a set maximum to maintain a maximum production loop, or keep it from getting out of control.
Caps are used to store the recuperated energy.
Magent to inductor.
Inductor produces current.
Current is pulsed on/off 120,000 cycles into the cap. (Macedonian)
At every 12,000 cycles, the cap discharges into the TPU coils, thus refeeding the inductors.
Everything in OU works in a loop. There are rarely any OU systems that work in a linear scheme such as the ECD, which is more linear, or which has not yet discovered its looping method.
THINK LOOP.
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@Wattsup
Excellent work!
With the coil standing up (solenoid coil) and the compass horizontal the N and S poles are either top or bottom of the coil. When the pulse rises the polarity is one way. When falling it reverses. See the BEMF/Spike thread. The compass just isn't axled to move up and down.
Keep the compass horizontal and rotate the coil on its side the compass just toggles back and forth. When you have the pulse rate just right momentum of the needle will allow rotation. So the compass is rotating but the field not.
Now try the same test with a flat spiral coil. One with a large enough inside dimension to accomodate the compass. The compass needle needs to be centered vertically with the coil plane. The coil will look like a magnetic loop antenna.
You may want to try applying a small DC current in addition to the pulses.
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@BEP
Thanks for your comments. I will look into it.
I was about to put up another post but as I was investigating certain things inside the TPU, something I noticed on one of the photos of the large TPU seemed rather troubling. So I concentrated on this all this evening to produce as follows.
I have put a copy of the photo here with a yellow ring tracing the top inner circumference and a green ring tracing the inner lower circumference and according to my observation, the center base is much higher then the outer base shown by the blue line. So the center floor is raised. Why?????????
Also, the TPU is mounted first on a round base of approx 3/4" that is then all mounted on a square base platform of another 3/4".
Then I asked myself, nothing in TPU structure and apparatus warrants the use of so many bases. He could have had that large TPU without any base at all, sitting right on the glass table (like all his other TPU's) with a small switch and a plug connection. What if all the front panel switch and plug is only a diversion for the use of the base, and a pretext to harbour some batteries. He could still have the center module and caps inside the TPU without the bases. So why did he use such a heavy base. And why did he put glue on the inside of the TPU? When he alreay had a raised inner base.
Then I asked myself, if the lower base was opened with a router, and the center base was hollow, and the inner base was just a 1/8 sheet, how much room would that give. I calculated it would give an internal space of 2" high by 13" in diameter.
Then I asked myself, what is the dimensions of a 9V battery, so I measured one to be 1 7/8" high by 1" long by 5/8" deep. Then I asked myself how many such batteries could be stacked standing side by side in such a space and my answer was 206 x 9 volts batteries for a grand total 1854 volts.
So what if two halfs of these batteries were in series then put into parralel. That's 927 volts x 2 = 927 volts at double the amperage.
This is what I saw today inside the TPU.
Regards
wattsup
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wattsup, are you derailling like me? LOL :D
I hear you, so much room for tricks, certainly possible.
EM
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Certainly it is possible. One of the first things I did when seeing this information was figure how it could be faked.
I tend to think he did have batteries in this one but I still doubt they were the only source.
Never the less it is important to look at these things that way.
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Ok guys, here's a diagram to illustrate my idea on the large TPU.
Some observations from the video.
1) The ferrites don't seem to connect through the box they're sitting on.  Why?  there's a second large TPU showing the same box and there are no HOLES through the top of it.  It could be magnetic coupling that's used to exite the resonating tank, from INSIDE the box
2) When he cuts the TPU you see the top and bottom WHITE areas inside the core, and I assume those are the MAIN internal collector loops, although, there could be more, maybe one more for energy pickup used as the output.
3) If you follow the wires from the ferrites, where they MERGE with the TPU at the top, you will see one set goes IN FRONT and one IN THE BACK, giving us a clue on the connection and winding direction, i.e. like I showed in the drawing
4) Pickup coil used to check if the TPU is working (UEC video towards the middle)  tells a lot about the field configuration. This indicates standing waves are the likely source for the high fields that develop because they have the RIGHT ORIENTATION.
Anybody see anything else?
EM
P.S.  I have to say, this large TPU seems to be a different beast then the other smaller types, which could very well use different PHYSICS (more magnetic perhaps). I like to think this one uses the 90 degree electrostatic coupling and functions like a circular TESLA coil.
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@BEP and @EM
What I am trying to lead to is this.
With so much potential power available via batteries, you could put less batteries in series and then parrallel them for higher amps, then use this power to create (via the coils) a less energy consuming reactive power of 850 volts and have that run the TV and drill and lights via his power inverter that maybe has a built in reactive power compressor. This would reduce the power usage of the batteries to a point that could last the duration and demand of his demo.
I'm sure Hum would like a crack at this. Stefan.......................
Also, I never saw him cut the big TPU. He only cut the medium ones.
OUCH, OUCH, OUCH.
@EM
Way back I had started doing exactly what you are doing in that I was following all the wires and making a drawing to place each one to figure out any possible configs. But there are too many unknowns as they lead in and out of the box, inductors and the ring.
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My mind is still open. For proof of a fake or real.
However, I have my own idea of the TPU theory. For each type and size I have seen it is still applicable. This and they all look so much different. If I was to fake such devices I don't think I would go to that length.
Also, I have this psychological problem. If someone tells me it can't be done there is where I start trying. I found when told that, it is usually because 'they' don't think it can be done or 'they' don't want it done. 'They' can stuff it. I've seen enough to know this is minor.
Why else would someone build a table-top EMP? Because I'm a hard-head. (And it was fun learning - so is this)
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EM,
Your approach to the config is interesting..Perhaps the big one is a "passive" version...that would mean that the oscillator would only be necessary for tickling...no ss noise and I will shut up about tubes completely here.
Blocking oscillators depend on magnetic properties which is fascinating and relevant...also fun!
There are probably many different setups...those little blockers do seem common though.
perhaps the little ring drives the big ring and vise versa.....no ss dare i say it? no tubes...agrhhh!!
It better not be that simple!
If a few of us give this config some physical attention
It would take weeks ..but we have been here years!
I am way back behind you in early history mode using fossils and metals.
Currently I have a 245k 15" hoop with 35k control coils. (O.C. self Resonance)
I also think aluminum rings with iron controls might be interesting with your setup.
Lindsay
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@EM
I am in the process of drawing the wiring diagram as completely as possible for the 17"er, following all the wires to their points in the coil entrances. Looking extremely closely at the TPU from multiple angles, I am sure this diagram will give you guys very good ideas and will reveal some interesting things and some corrections to your diagram above. Should be done in another day or so.
The fact that SM has ample room in his TPU for up to 206 x 9 volts batteries changes the equation considerably, since he stated that he did his utmost to make sure the Demo would not leave any question as to the power source, this now puts a big damper on his story.
Plus the smaller open TPU had four solid squares that could have held at least 8 x 9 volts batteries but I'll get around to that one later also.
Plus the more I look at his videos, the more I am seeing greater discrepancies that I will list later. The point is I am tired of having to believe this guy built this device without trickery. A TV technician talking about a blown up TV and his stereo system just does not bode well with the fact that he could come up with such a device. Does not make sense. Fakery seems to be the most common denominator.
I only want the TRUTH, and with close observation and logical reasoning, there is enough evidence on the plate to warrant serious questions without causing any bad blood between the factions here. Logic must prevail.
If we can prove the final status of this TPU, we can then move forward knowing that whatever comes next is from the creative minds of those here, and not based on potential lies and half-truths. One year on pulsing frequencies, where I am absolutely sure there were no frequencies in his device at all. Mains reason - not enough room for the required components especially considering this was in the 1990's. I think the frequency thing was a distraction. Or at most, he used a transistor radio output circuit with one frequency. You'll see when I finish the diagram.
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I find it hard to believe that if SM faked it that he would bother perpetuating a hoax by posting cryptic clues, it would seem to be a waste of time. Also if he has made no money out of it why would he continue unless it was real?
Acerzw
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You do make sense wattsup, but can you please find a connection with the weight? Weight and Volume are very different ball parks. Many engineers said that the weight didn't add up for the batteries, could you produce something to say otherwise?
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@Hope
That thought occurred to me to, it didn't seem very heavy and wiring all those batteries would be a nightmare, hardly worth the effort. I find it hard to believe he would have fooled the engineers with such a scam.
Acerzw
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The finding of the patents for SM's original development work which he mentions, prior to his discovery of the TPU also substantiates his story:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3329.0.html
Acerzw
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HI TO ALL
what you thing what is the in the center of large TPU
I WHILL SAID ONCE IS TRUE NOTHING ELSE
in the centeris is small RF generator << mgnet force whit high speed >> is like bomb no is like atom bomb 8) 8) 8)
i dont tell you eniting else i have learn some good things and hade a good progress thing people of this forum,,,,, hi to otto ,,,,,,,, hi to mannix ,,,,, i have direct hit and progress thanks to S.M is great man is thank you his idea come from great anther man his name NIKOLA TESLA you now mannix i tell some true but you dont like to tell is true you now is danger to tell is like you have the atom bomb in you hand
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Hello Mac, (short for Macedonia)
I am sorry if I am slow to understand what you are saying, so please let me ask you to be more precise.
Are you saying;
1) inside the large TPU, where I have shown there is enough room to put in at least 206 - 9v batteries, that instead of batteries, SM has a small RF generator.
or
2) inside the small black box (below the two center coils) in the center of the large TPU, SM has a small RF generator.
Now I know you have the answer to starting the current flow with your coil and Buzz11 diode system, as I had indirectly eluded to this when I said pulse the current from the inducutors at 120k, into a cap, but I would like to know where you can get enough power to run an RF Generator and what this will do in the system.
I had thought that the great inspectors that have looked at SM's devices had checked for any RF or other wave or signal emmanations and I do not remember any of them saying this to be so.
And why are you talking about the atom bomb?
And why are you saying SM is like Tesla. Tesla brought his products and inventions to the world, openly patented them and we use them today. SM hid his device from the world and we are not using them today. There is a very big difference. I am sure if Tesla was alive today, with the communication as it is, he would be on the internet explaining every little aspect of his systems, his knowledge, etc., and we would not have to play guessing games until the moon turns blue. I don't think you can put them on the same stage.
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What i don't understand is why his patent are not still available?
2 possibles solution:
1. he don't have any patent
2. the gov have put his patent under the security crap
Whatever appened to the patent, why he don't release the details, after 15 years he have done no shit with it he did not even try to sell his device why?
What this guys do for living? if you see his house, he seam to be very rich. But he do nothing with his technologies.
He probably selled the technologies for a hi price long time ago and its why we don't heard about it anymore......
How pathetic!
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hi watts
ok FIRST I said
s.m hi said hi get the idea from n.tesla hi said every single wire i single story or moving elektron.
you ask where is start energy for rf to make rf whit litle power you whill need only small batery only for start << do you read some things what whill hapend if you have very very small magnet and you move this magnet close to the single wire whit high speed what whill hapend a
you can have more power you can thung is posible ,
now i stop explanat to you if you anderstend what im said to you the speed is important not magnet force what IS THE POINT OF THIS RF GENERATOR WHAT IS HAPEND THERE THING HA HA HA YOU GET MOVING WHIT 1 TO 100 Mhz IF YOU MOVE MAGNET WHIT THIS SPEED YOU GET A BOMB I M GOOD MAN WHIT GOOD HEARTH I SO SIMPLE DIS
DIVICES ONLY WIRE NOTHING ELSE AND COIL OPERATIONS 8) 8) 8) ;) ;) :o :o :o
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@EM and others interested
Here is the closest possible look at the 17" TPU after many hours, over many days of observing the TPU from all angles, I have prepared the following wiring diagram and legend.
The diargram does not include the collectors positions and windings since this is all under tape but I will be looking at this closer and match it with images of the cut parts in the other TPU's.
There should however be enough shown on this diargram to give you guys a better idea on the TPU on what may be going on inside it.
Legend Numbers with an (*) require further observation and identification (which is not easy to do).
Now for all the PC Heroes out there looking to help out on the TPU endeavour, if any of you can look over the videos and closely follow the wiring diagrams to see if you can pick up anything else, I can then update this post or open a new thread. For now, my eyes are shot.
Especially of interest is the wire bundles #24, #25 and #33. If any of you have the patience to figure out how the wires are connected under the bundles, this would be great.
I put the diagram on a black backgound to give the dark video aspect. Wire colours are not indicative of the true wire colours. Guess why?
17" TPU - Wiring Diargram Legend
1) Positive power output terminal. Verified when SM put his meter on the terminals and read a positive value.
2) Negitive power output terminal. Same as 1.
3) White wire going from the control box to the leads going out of the right inductor coil. Can be seen at the right angle.
4) Wires leading from the right center inductor coil. Four wire come out but go into two wires leading to the back.
5) Same as 4 but on the left inductor coil.
6) Capacitor. Centered on the control box.
7) Capacitor is located to the left most end of the control box.
-8) Control box with two inductors, with more wires leading in and out from the top right hand side of the control box.
9) Volume type control. Wires going to this component look like thin speak wire.
10) Power switch. Right one.
11) Power switch. Left one.
12) Capacitors (value unknown).
13) Four wires coming from the center back to the control box.
14*) Four wires coming from the white connector to the control box.
15*) White connector.
16a*) Wires coming from the white connector back of ring bottom.
16b*) Wires coming from the white connector back of ring bottom.
16c*) Wires coming from the white connector back of ring bottom. These wires seem to be going through the bottom of the ring and out the back bottom.
17) Back bottom end of the ring.
18) Back center end of the ring.
19) Back top end of the ring.
20) Right wire coming out of 18/19 and over the ring to the rear outside.
21) Left wire coming out of 18/19 and over the ring to the rear outside. Red connected to the red power wire #37.
22*) Wire bundle comming out of the back inside top of coils.
23*) Wire bundle comming out of the back outside top of coils.
24*) Taped bundle between #5 and #23.
25*) Taped bundle between #4 and #22.
26) Outer section of the back of the ring seen upside down. For perspective purposed.
27) Wire comming out of the back outside top of coils gong to the top of left fuse connector.
28) Wire comming out of the back inside top of coils gong to the top of right fuse connector.
29) Right fuse connector.
30) Left fuse connector.
31 & 32*) Looks like two wire comming from out of the bottom outer back of the ring, then into the taped bundle #33.
33*) Taped bundle at back outside of the ring.
34*) Small wire comming from the volume control.
35*) Small wire comming from the volume control.
36*) Wire going from the power switch #11 to the bundle #33.
37*) Wire going from the power switch #10 to the bundle #33.
38*) Wire going from the power switch #10 to the bundle #33.
All the best.
wattsup
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Wattsup,
Thank you. ;)
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good work wattsup
guys, here's an inexpensive source for a push pull oscillator, works great !!!
EM
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@EM
What is the input and output specs of that small circuit?
Can it give high voltage low amperage out?
Sorry for ignorance in EE but can you explain what is "push/pull".
I am thinking of trying this in my ECD.
Seems like a pretty "bright" idea. lol
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Hi wattsup, these circuits use 2 transistors to oscillate and create high frequency and high voltage (low amps). I'll post a diagram soon.  I'm not sure if you can find diagrams for these, but I found simular schematics by browsing patents with search therms like, Compact Florescent Ballast Circuits, etc...
The push-pull concept is quite simple. One transistor "pulls" the resonating end up to the V+ potential, for half the cycle, and the other transistor "pushes" down to V- (or ground) the other half cycle. This is also called a half bridge configuration, I believe.
You can resonate TESLA coils with this circuit :) and TPUs :)
EM
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This guy who builds some fab Tesla coils
has reverse engineered the circuits of quite a few lamps,
most seem to use mosfets,
you should get an idea of whats going on in most makes
http://skory.gylcomp.hu/fenycso/fenycso.html
Regards Rob..
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@Rob
I there an English version of that, sounds useful?
Acerzw
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@Acerzw
havent found english version of text as yet
but circuits ok to understand basics
regards rob..
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@all (long post) (maybe grab a coffee. lol)
OK, I spent a considerable amount of time reviewing the videos again and again, taking closeup shots and inspecting them very carefully, making notes and drawing rough sketches to get as much as possible of what's going on inside the TPU ring.
The previous posts as well as this one are not based on presumptions. They are based on concrete observations of the TPU and I am only describing as precisely as possible a rendition of the TPU through its many aspects AS IT IS PRESENTED. When I am not sure, I state so, as in the taped bundles indicated in the wiring diagram above.
I will also have to make a few changes to the wiring diagram shown on my previous post. I saw some more things. Nothing major but enough to warrant some changes.
Now with both diagrams, we can put this TPU together and get a better complete idea of what this is made of. Given these concrete elements, it will be easier to postulate what the circuitry could be doing in the center black box. Suffice it to say I do not think it was using frequencies in the sense that Otto is doing with his mosfets, function generator, etc. I think this TPU is basically using what Tesla did over 100 years ago. And potentially, we will see if it could have done so or if it had to have an internal battery system to keep it going. Ultimately, I feel SM was faking the batteryless TPU that was just a current multiplier, by hiding the batteries under the center platform. But for the purposes of this observation, I will not go there.
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The first meaningful thing SM ever said about the TPU was when he gave the Tesla style technique "apply a capacitor discharge to a wire, but stop the current before it could reach the end of the wire". For brevity, I am abbreviating this Tesla action as "ACCREW".
The ACCREW was SMs' first premise for explaining how his TPU works. This premise, once you know how the TPU is made, will be put to the test as I will do further down.
A 17" TPU has a circumference of 53.38 inches or 4.4833 feet.
I have identified that the TPU has 6 horizontal white wires as shown in the drawing below. So if you had a continuous discharge wire going around the circumference for 6 turns, on the outside but in one continuous wire, this would give 26.8998 feet of wire (rounded to 27 feet) traveling horizontally over the TPU core.
I call these the discharge wires. You can see the wires are mounted on to the exterior of the core via horizontal indentations at three levels, bottom, middle and top, into which is positioned these horizontal discharge wires.
The solid core material of the ring is unknown, but I would imagine it is made of a nonmagnetic or diamagnetic material to push the sparks from the discharge wire loop to its intersecting vertical collector coils.
There are three collector coils in parallel wound over the core all in the same direction. Tests can also be done with the three collectors in series, making one 360 degree collector. But I am more inclined to think the three collectors are in parallel to increase the output amperage level.
Now, when SM measured the vertical height of the ring, he placed his tape measure on the outside of the ring and did not take into account that the ring recedes into the second base platform. Why? Why would he wish to avoid this question when we all can see it on the cut-aways. Nobody made the link.
So if the ring was actually 5" high by 1" thick, this would give a vertical circumference of 12" or one foot per turn for the collector coils.
Now here I may be wrong but I see the collector vertically wound wire to be AWG #14. I have measured that an AWG #14 collector coil wire takes 8 turns per inch, so this gives a total of 427 turns as a single 360 degree collector coil or 142 turns on each of three 120 degree collectors.
There are two other coils wrapped to the left and right of the collector coil zero point. I imagine these are what we call the control coils and have identified them as Exterior Coil #1 and #2. I don't know enough about this coil set yet but I do know it has nothing to do with pulsing the current. The wires are coming from the two internal inductor coils so these could be in parallel to the control coils since they lead right into the control coil sections. Actually, I guessing here, the control coils are in parallel with the two inductor coils and help feed the black box circuit via "flyback" and via the magnetic fields picked up by the inductor coils. So both the inductor coils and the control coils work in tandem to energize the control circuitry. We'll get to that in the next posts.
So in actual fact there are only two potential coils that can receive the Tesla technique. Either the 27 foot horizontal ring or the 427 foot collector coils. This is so because to do a Tesla spark discharge into an adjoining coil set, both windings have to be crossed at 90 degrees. Since the control coil is vertical like the collector coil, there cannot be such an exchange between them. We are logically therefore left with the discharge wires horizontal into the collector coil verticals.
Now to apply an ACCREW, we know the switching system has to be extremely, I mean very extremely fast at the short wire lengths we are talking about.
Here's some of the math.
Electricity travels at 185000 miles per second divided by 5280 feet per mile = 976,800,000 feet per second.
To do an ACCREW before;
27 feet = faster than 36,177,777 cycles per second.
427 feet = faster than 2,856,140 cycles per second.
OK here's where I will leave it up to the EE's to decide if this is actually possible or not to accomplish. I do not know how you would be able to do an ACCREW at 27 feet.
Now doing an ACCREW at 427 feet would seem illogical as the amount of energy required to saturate a collector coil of this length would be greater than the amount of energy you will be able to capture via the 6 rings. So it has to be the other way around. ACCREW in 27 feet. But this is next to impossible.
So then you have to ask yourself, WHY WOULD SM GIVE AN analogy to a specific action that is next to impossible to achieve. We're talking about more than 27 million iterations per second. This does not seem logical at all.
But what if, and this is asked because I do not know from observation (yet), but what if the discharge wire was a Litz type with individually insulated wire strands. These strands could be connected in series to increase the final wire length. 10 strands = 270 feet, 20 strands = 540 feet, etc.
But just to put the problem into perspective, if you wanted to do an ACCREW on 27
feet of Litz wire at 5000 cycles per second, the Litz wire would have to have 7235 strands of individual insulated wires connected in series. Ouch. That's one fat mamma.
So between one extreme and another, I'll leave it to the EEers here to see what is the maximum upper limit and what effect that would have on the number of Litz conductors required. Circumference = length = potential series multiplication = cycles per second to do an ACCREW.
Then again, maybe SM did not calculate this impossibility before he decided to share it with us. Or maybe he does not care because his device works off of 206 batteries and he thinks we'll never know the truth.
In this thread, you now all have the most precise description of the 17" TPU possible, as it stood on that dining table, in the near dark. But you know what. We're not that stupid to believe just anything. This group has traveled through many issues, and it will ultimately know the truth, through logic, deductive reasoning and close OBJECTIVE observation. Like I said before. Fraud or not, I don't care. I just want the truth and will look at both sides. Any true blue OU investigator would do the same.
More to continue......
wattsup
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27 million iterations per second. = 27 megs = CB radio not high frequency at all. However the tpu is not a a high voltage coil like tesla or anything resembling it or the theory. The group has wasted a year doing pulses on mosfets and getting no where. I do see a trend change in the last few weeks now i been pushing constantly for pure sine but now only that some have come to realize that if you are not prepared to follow SM's instructions then you will never get a working tpu. SM was an audio engineer. He understood the qualities of pure sine low distortion amps and VERY wide bandwidth.Your going to have to build it! Your hi fi amp just will never work nor will your PC sound card. These qualities are much easier with tube amps. The QAUD tube amp built about 1956 still exceeds the spec of most todays amps BUT last 10 years of mosfets have closed the gap. In 1996 mosfet were still rather shaky.
1) Make a big one
2) Use pure stable sines
3) stick the controls in the center.
So the longer you stay with spark coil thoughts, telsa thoughts of making EHT and RE like bedini and are not prepared to advance bench testing beyond one collector loop with 3 bobbins of wire fired from pulses and square waves then another 5 years will pass with no progress.
This is exaclty why SM said only knowledgeable engineers with access to quality equipment have a chance to succeed. Kitchen table builders extremely unlikely. So whats my idea of knowledgeable? Someone who is capable of making good home build audio amplifiers and may even know how without once looking at a circuit diagram. Home build HAM radio guys fit this bill too especially if they made a number of radio receivers and RF power transmitters over the last 10 or 20+ years. This type of guy is more likely to succeed then a highly qualified EE thats hasn't touched a soldering iron for decades and far too wedged into conventional theory. This is not to put people of trying but be reasonable we are dealing with something a bit more complicated then a first project crystal set or a 555 electronic egg timer.
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@Wattsup,
A MONTROUS WORK! THANK YOU
I tried many time to do similar detailed description ...but never had the time to take it to the end. Now I'm studyng your results and hope to help in some way.
Roberto
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Hi WattsUp,everyone
First of all, GREAT work WattsUp!!
The thing that struck me straight away when I saw your new drawing was the alignment of the 6 loops in a 1/2/3 seperation.
I immediately got the feeling that this has something to do with the 1st 2nd and 3rd harmonics for the frequencies being fed into the tpu.
Thats is probably why SM said it is important to make three rings....
I think there is still another oprion of how these are arranged. The single one is a loop on its own. The second and third are in series and then numbers 4,5 and 6 form a coil in series.....
Hope you can understand what i'm trying to explain...
Still thinking about what the consequence is of this discovery.....
regards
Robert
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Hi all
@Wattsup,
a thing that seems clear to me is that on top of the 'infamous' TPU slice cutted by SM during the big loop demo,
THERE ARE APPARENTLY 3 WINDINGS OF FLAT KIND ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER, & NOTHING ON THE MIDDLE! SIMILAR BUT BIGGER 'SOMETHING' ROUND ON THE BOTTOM,
as it turns clear on the attached enhanced slice pic. This seems in contrast with the suggested coil's geometry. What do you think about?.
Roberto
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How about this for a theory of the coil construction?
I think that in that picture the coil looks like it made of 3 layers of 2 materials sandwiched together with some kind of thin conducting material in the between to make sure the layers act as one but are free to move in relation to each other when magnetorestriction is applied, as theorised by tao.
There have been various articles about coated cooper etc, maybe the inner layer of the sandwich is copper and the outer two are aluminum/iron or some other material that under magnetorestriction produces excess ions which are then taken up by the inner layer of copper by passing through an intermediate layer of thin foil?
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| Iron | copper | Iron | Center | Iron | copper | Iron |
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Perhaps only the outside layers of the coil sandwich are magnetorestricted and the inner layer takes the ions/current away?
Obviously the control coils/frequencies are used to create the magnetorestrictive effect as discussed previously....
I have not examined the video in detail but maybe, if he is shown cutting the coil, the time he takes to cut through the coil and the tool used would give some indication of the hardness of the material?
Acerzw
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I have never seen this 'cutting' video. Now I wish I had.
This looks almost identical to my current open tpu attempt. Construction of the 'plates':
Aluminum banding made from heavy gauge roof flashing material in a roll. I sheared it into .25 inch bands.
Each band has .2 inch thick 'roll foam' attached to one side.
Two bands are atttached together at one end and wrapped as a spiral-bifilar flat winding.
The final ring dimensions are 8.6 inch O.D. and 7.75 inch I.D.
At each quadrant a lobe was formed extending to the center - as is shown in the video.
I have more layers than your cutaway shows. Connecting the layers in bifilar fashion makes a massive increase in effects. Not that Sm connected them bifilar!
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How about this for a theory of the coil construction?
Are you thinking giant magnetostriction or giant magnetoresistance? Both will happen. If you aren't familiar with the terms you should be.
My Cook coil used it. copper wire encased in aluminum - run current through the AL to effect magnetic and resistive results for the copper.
This is why I was so hyper on the BrnBrade coil. He could have had something if he stuck with it.
This is an effective way to minimize the effects of CEMF and cancel out one side of a standing magnetic wave to aid in rotation.
I don't think the TPU uses it so I haven't gone that route.
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@Ronotte and all
Thanks for your kind words. I am happy to see that you and others are taking a closer look at the 17incher and welcome any ideas on things that I may have missed as I am sure there are. I mentioned a few locations on the diagram where a closer look by several people would be good to convene on what they are. Especially the wires leading to the white connector. HOW MANY WIRES DO YOU SEE on the connector coming from the TPU and going into the control box.
As for the top and bottom of the TPU, I cannot say yet but will investigate this further. But one thing to keep in mind is that the TPU has a total weight of just under 10 pounds. I would imagine that if the top and bottom were three metal rings of 17" diameter, the weight of these would break the bank by themselves.
If the center core was a softer material, it only seems logical that the top and bottom pieces must be hard enough to withstand the total stress of the collectors wound over the structure. As if the soft part was pressed like a sandwich with the vertical winding.
So I am not sure of this yet and would have to look again, and again, and again, and so on.
One other point that we have seen in the other thread on the open TPU. It is now more than clear that the device uses a battery. I have just finished preparing a transcript of that part of the video and Tao also confirmed it. I noticed the great hesitation when SM was aksed if there were any batteries. His hesitation says it all. Plus the fact that he says if there were any batteries in the device they would be very very very very small. This is major because it explains more of the sleek design having to do away with any looping back control of energy.
So what's good for the goose is good for the gander and we can expect to eventually learn that the 17" TPU also had batteries. We now know there was room for up to 206 batteries. Granted maybe not enough to do the whole demo, but enought to produce the demo via this TPU design that could simply be a current multiplier. I'd take one anyday. But again, I am neither for or against a TPU. I am for the truth.
Maybe one last thing when inspecting the open TPU. It has dawned on me that Otto's ECD should be used upside down. Small ring on the bottom, large ring on the top.
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Hi Whatsup,
during ECD test Otto were able to trace the mag field generated by the Tornado by using a magnetized needle and up to a couple of meters in vertical of the unit. The small ring purpose is just that to create a 'gradient' and sure it should be used upside-down...but for testing purposes it appears to be not interesting.
Roberto
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@ANYBODY!
Where may I find this video showing the cut away TPU?
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I find it hard to believe that if SM faked it that he would bother perpetuating a hoax by posting cryptic clues, it would seem to be a waste of time. Also if he has made no money out of it why would he continue unless it was real?
Acerzw
I totaly agree with that. Why would someone pull a stunt like that, which cost to him around $1,000 especially when there is nothing to gain from that! He didn't have anything for sale so to say he did that to boost the sales, lol. I can understand people sitting in front of their computers and writing a virus; it doesn't cost anything to them. But paying $1,000 for batteries...
Macedonia said that the device is an... atomic bomb!!! Any explanation would be appreciated. Obviously he is talking about the "runaway condition". Being a good guy, with a good heart (like he claims to be), wouldn't it be nice to explain how is it done? What is the secrecy for? It is my opinion, if you come in an open public forum, you must open your mind and tell everybody what you know. If you like to keep some critical parts as a secret, then open your own site and work from there. We have enough puzzles to solve as is. I read in some post that some people say: "It is your right not to disclose all your info". I dissagree with that. If we really want to help humanity we all should work together and share ideas. We all know what happens to "secrets". The person dies, the secret goes with them! As for the patents, they are altered, misleading and most likely we get nothing out of them.
Anyway, sorry about getting off topic.
I have to agree though that Mac gave us a good hint, after all. He said that there are no electronics involved in the SM setup, just coils and a diode. Does that ring a bell? You remember, in electronics school, they start us with the simplest radio. A tuning coil, a piece of galena (diode), an adjustable capacitor and a headset. The diode is used to separate the audio from the carrier wave. Mac mentioned the Earth's magnetic waves (resonance?). What would happen if that coil is tuned to Earth's freq? Or, three coils placed on a collector, tuned to that freq? I haven't read all the threads here, but has anyone done this?