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Offline BEP

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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2007, 04:08:18 PM »
@Wattsup

Excellent work!

With the coil standing up (solenoid coil) and the compass horizontal the N and S poles are either top or bottom of the coil. When the pulse rises the polarity is one way. When falling it reverses. See the BEMF/Spike thread. The compass just isn't axled to move up and down.
Keep the compass horizontal and rotate the coil on its side the compass just toggles back and forth. When you have the pulse rate just right momentum of the needle will allow rotation. So the compass is rotating but the field not.

Now try the same test with a flat spiral coil. One with a large enough inside dimension to accomodate the compass. The compass needle needs to be centered vertically with the coil plane. The coil will look like a magnetic loop antenna.

You may want to try applying a small DC current in addition to the pulses.

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Re: Control Inside?
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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2007, 07:20:33 AM »
@BEP

Thanks for your comments. I will look into it.

I was about to put up another post but as I was investigating certain things inside the TPU, something I noticed on one of the photos of the large TPU seemed rather troubling. So I concentrated on this all this evening to produce as follows.

I have put a copy of the photo here with a yellow ring tracing the top inner circumference and a green ring tracing the inner lower circumference and according to my observation, the center base is much higher then the outer base shown by the blue line. So the center floor is raised. Why?????????

Also, the TPU is mounted first on a round base of approx 3/4" that is then all mounted on a square base platform of another 3/4".

Then I asked myself, nothing in TPU structure and apparatus warrants the use of so many bases. He could have had that large TPU without any base at all, sitting right on the glass table (like all his other TPU's) with a small switch and a plug connection. What if all the front panel switch and plug is only a diversion for the use of the base, and a pretext to harbour some batteries. He could still have the center module and caps inside the TPU without the bases. So why did he use such a heavy base. And why did he put glue on the inside of the TPU? When he alreay had a raised inner base.

Then I asked myself, if the lower base was opened with a router, and the center base was hollow, and the inner base was just a 1/8 sheet, how much room would that give. I calculated it would give an internal space of 2" high by 13" in diameter.

Then I asked myself, what is the dimensions of a 9V battery, so I measured one to be 1 7/8" high by 1" long by 5/8" deep. Then I asked myself how many such batteries could be stacked standing side by side in such a space and my answer was 206 x 9 volts batteries for a grand total 1854 volts.

So what if two halfs of these batteries were in series then put into parralel. That's 927 volts x 2 = 927 volts at double the amperage.

This is what I saw today inside the TPU.

Regards

wattsup


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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2007, 05:37:32 PM »
wattsup, are you derailling like me?   LOL  :D

I hear you, so much room for tricks, certainly possible.

EM

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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2007, 05:37:32 PM »
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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2007, 05:44:37 PM »
Certainly it is possible. One of the first things I did when seeing this information was figure how it could be faked.

I tend to think he did have batteries in this one but I still doubt they were the only source.

Never the less it is important to look at these things that way.

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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2007, 06:08:46 PM »
Ok guys, here's a diagram to illustrate my idea on the large TPU.

Some observations from the video.

1)  The ferrites don't seem to connect through the box they're sitting on.   Why?   there's a second large TPU showing the same box and there are no HOLES through the top of it.   It could be magnetic coupling that's used to exite the resonating tank, from INSIDE the box

2)  When he cuts the TPU you see the top and bottom WHITE areas inside the core, and I assume those are the MAIN internal collector loops, although, there could be more, maybe one more for energy pickup used as the output.

3) If you follow the wires from the ferrites, where they MERGE with the TPU at the top, you will see one set goes IN FRONT and one IN THE BACK, giving us a clue on the connection and winding direction, i.e.  like I showed in the drawing

4) Pickup coil used to check if the TPU is working (UEC video towards the middle)   tells a lot about the field configuration.  This indicates standing waves are the likely source for the high fields that develop because they have the RIGHT ORIENTATION.

Anybody see anything else?

EM

P.S.   I have to say, this large TPU seems to be a different beast then the other smaller types, which could very well use different PHYSICS (more magnetic perhaps).  I like to think this one uses the 90 degree electrostatic coupling and functions like a circular TESLA coil.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2007, 04:32:14 PM by EMdevices »

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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2007, 06:28:12 PM »
@BEP and @EM

What I am trying to lead to is this.

With so much potential power available via batteries, you could put less batteries in series and then parrallel them for higher amps, then use this power to create (via the coils) a less energy consuming reactive power of 850 volts and have that run the TV and drill and lights via his power inverter that maybe has a built in reactive power compressor. This would reduce the power usage of the batteries to a point that could last the duration and demand of his demo.

I'm sure Hum would like a crack at this. Stefan.......................

Also, I never saw him cut the big TPU. He only cut the medium ones.

OUCH, OUCH, OUCH.

@EM

Way back I had started doing exactly what you are doing in that I was following all the wires and making a drawing to place each one to figure out any possible configs. But there are too many unknowns as they lead in and out of the box, inductors and the ring.

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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2007, 03:17:08 AM »
My mind is still open. For proof of a fake or real.

However, I have my own idea of the TPU theory. For each type and size I have seen it is still applicable. This and they all look so much different. If I was to fake such devices I don't think I would go to that length.

Also, I have this psychological problem. If someone tells me it can't be done there is where I start trying. I found when told that, it is usually because 'they' don't think it can be done or 'they' don't want it done. 'They' can stuff it. I've seen enough to know this is minor.

Why else would someone build a table-top EMP? Because I'm a hard-head. (And it was fun learning - so is this)

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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2007, 04:05:24 AM »
EM,

Your approach to the config is interesting..Perhaps the big one  is a "passive" version...that would mean  that the oscillator would only be necessary for tickling...no ss noise and I will shut up about tubes completely here.
Blocking oscillators depend on magnetic properties which is fascinating and relevant...also fun!

There are probably many different setups...those little blockers do seem common though.

perhaps the little ring drives the big ring and vise versa.....no ss dare i say it? no tubes...agrhhh!!
It better not be that  simple!

If a few of us give this config some  physical attention
It would take weeks ..but we have been here years!

I am way back behind you in early history mode using fossils and metals.
Currently I have a 245k 15" hoop with 35k control coils. (O.C. self Resonance)

I also think aluminum rings with iron controls  might be interesting with your setup.

Lindsay




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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2007, 03:48:41 PM »
@EM

I am in the process of drawing the wiring diagram as completely as possible for the 17"er, following all the wires to their points in the coil entrances. Looking extremely closely at the TPU from multiple angles, I am sure this diagram will give you guys very good ideas and will reveal some interesting things and some corrections to your diagram above. Should be done in another day or so.

The fact that SM has ample room in his TPU for up to 206 x 9 volts batteries changes the equation considerably, since he stated that he did his utmost to make sure the Demo would not leave any question as to the power source, this now puts a big damper on his story.

Plus the smaller open TPU had four solid squares that could have held at least 8 x 9 volts batteries but I'll get around to that one later also.

Plus the more I look at his videos, the more I am seeing greater discrepancies that I will list later. The point is I am tired of having to believe this guy built this device without trickery. A TV technician talking about a blown up TV and his stereo system just does not bode well with the fact that he could come up with such a device. Does not make sense. Fakery seems to be the most common denominator.

I only want the TRUTH, and with close observation and logical reasoning, there is enough evidence on the plate to warrant serious questions without causing any bad blood between the factions here. Logic must prevail.

If we can prove the final status of this TPU, we can then move forward knowing that whatever comes next is from the creative minds of those here, and not based on potential lies and half-truths. One year on pulsing frequencies, where I am absolutely sure there were no frequencies in his device at all. Mains reason - not enough room for the required components especially considering this was in the 1990's. I think the frequency thing was a distraction. Or at most, he used a transistor radio output circuit with one frequency. You'll see when I finish the diagram.

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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2007, 07:33:42 PM »
I find it hard to believe that if SM faked it that he would bother perpetuating a hoax by posting cryptic clues, it would seem to be a waste of time. Also if he has made no money out of it why would he continue unless it was real?

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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2007, 07:39:07 PM »
You do make sense wattsup, but can you please find a connection with the weight? Weight and Volume are very different ball parks. Many engineers said that the weight didn't add up for the batteries, could you produce something to say otherwise?

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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2007, 08:00:14 PM »
@Hope

That thought occurred to me to, it didn't seem very heavy and wiring all those batteries would be a nightmare, hardly worth the effort. I find it hard to believe he would have fooled the engineers with such a scam.

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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2007, 03:16:00 AM »
The finding of the patents for SM's original development work which he mentions, prior to his discovery of the TPU also substantiates his story:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3329.0.html

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Re: Control Inside?
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2007, 08:29:28 PM »
HI TO ALL
 
what you thing what is the in the center of large TPU
I WHILL SAID  ONCE  IS TRUE  NOTHING ELSE
in the centeris is   small RF generator  << mgnet force  whit  high speed  >>  is like bomb  no is  like atom bomb   8) 8) 8)
i dont tell you eniting else    i have learn some  good things  and hade a good progress  thing  people  of this forum,,,,, hi to otto ,,,,,,,, hi to mannix ,,,,,  i have direct hit  and progress  thanks to S.M  is great man is  thank you   his idea come from great   anther man  his name NIKOLA TESLA    you now mannix  i tell some true   but you  dont  like to tell  is true  you now  is danger to tell  is like  you  have   the atom bomb  in you  hand     

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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2007, 10:13:49 PM »
Hello Mac, (short for Macedonia)

I am sorry if I am slow to understand what you are saying, so please let me ask you to be more precise.

Are you saying;

1) inside the large TPU, where I have shown there is enough room to put in at least 206 - 9v batteries, that instead of batteries, SM has a small RF generator.

or

2) inside the small black box (below the two center coils) in the center of the large TPU, SM has a small RF generator.

Now I know you have the answer to starting the current flow with your coil and Buzz11 diode system, as I had indirectly eluded to this when I said pulse the current from the inducutors at 120k, into a cap, but I would like to know where you can get enough power to run an RF Generator and what this will do in the system.

I had thought that the great inspectors that have looked at SM's devices had checked for any RF or other wave or signal emmanations and I do not remember any of them saying this to be so.

And why are you talking about the atom bomb?

And why are you saying SM is like Tesla. Tesla brought his products and inventions to the world, openly patented them and we use them today. SM hid his device from the world and we are not using them today. There is a very big difference. I am sure if Tesla was alive today, with the communication as it is, he would be on the internet explaining every little aspect of his systems, his knowledge, etc., and we would not have to play guessing games until the moon turns blue. I don't think you can put them on the same stage.
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