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Author Topic: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?  (Read 17612 times)

hansvonlieven

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2007, 10:40:47 PM »
G'day all,

Is this the application of what this fellow was talking about, Is palladium here the "secret" catalyst?

Have a look at what they are gearing up to sell in Great Britain. Is this a cold fusion device?

(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_02/heaterMOS1509_468x475.jpg)


For the full article, this is the link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=481996&in_page_id=1965

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2007, 11:00:05 PM »
G'day all,

Is this the application of what this fellow was talking about, Is palladium here the "secret" catalyst?

Have a look at what they are gearing up to sell in Great Britain. Is this a cold fusion device?




For the full article, this is the link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=481996&in_page_id=1965

Hans von Lieven

this is awesome!

edit - but what about "and a secret liquid catalyst, based on chrome."?


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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2007, 12:43:25 AM »
G'day  again,

Omega supplied a link in relation to this device in another thread. I thought it would be appropriate to include my reply here as it gives an idea of the development of the device;

Thanks for the link. I have read maryyugo's comments and checked out the 2003 article he refers to.

In that article the cell described is a blatant copy of the Fleischmann Pons experiment except that they are using a potassium carbonate solution instead of deuterium.

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2003/05/18/ncell18.gif)

In the original cell (pictured above) they used platinum as the catalyst. Also in the new design they do not generate the steam directly as here, but use the device as an immersion heater instead. Palladium appears to be better suited for the process so I think they are using this now. His criticism of the power supply is just, though I feel this is only a concept drawing by the person designing the diagram rather than the actual power supply (which incidentally should at least be DC) As far as the liquid catalyst based on chrome is concerned, I cannot see how that could work.

As to the credibility of the reviewer, what can one say? Those kind of idiots are always around in this sort of scene trying to explain any new idea that receives publicity in terms of their own weird theories in order to gain credibility.

That in itself is not necessarily a negative sign as to the workability of the device.

Time will tell on this one, perhaps there is something there. Or perhaps it is just another scam.

Hans von Lieven.

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2007, 01:46:07 AM »
Maybe they are now electroplating the electrodes or at least
one electrode with a thin chrome layer ?

Has anyone tried to electroplate the electrodes with thin layers
of different metals and tried then using this for an electrolysis cell ?

If one would do this with nickel and palladium,
one might also get a good efficiency.

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2007, 02:51:43 AM »
G'day Stefan and all,

I had thought about using palladium plated wire or plate but I am having trouble getting it done. Rhodium plating is no problem, all jewellery plating places do that but palladium is hard. Perhaps I am trying in the wrong places.

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2007, 11:47:30 PM »
G'day Stefan and all,

I had thought about using palladium plated wire or plate but I am having trouble getting it done. Rhodium plating is no problem, all jewellery plating places do that but palladium is hard. Perhaps I am trying in the wrong places.

Hans von Lieven

Here It was planed to try several Spark Plugs (several Metals available) as Anode or Kathode because they are stabil by temperature
Just as idea
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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2007, 12:01:15 AM »
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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2007, 12:04:21 AM »

Helmut,

You need the catalytic action of the palladium for the process to work. Any one of the platinum group metals will probably work but palladium is deemed best.

Perhaps an osmium or iridium filament from a light globe will work? Worth a try maybe.

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2007, 12:21:54 AM »

Helmut,

You need the catalytic action of the palladium for the process to work. Any one of the platinum group metals will probably work but palladium is deemed best.

Perhaps an osmium or iridium filament from a light globe will work? Worth a try maybe.

Hans von Lieven


And what about this: Z?ndkerze NGK CR9EVX Gold Palladium

or:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1268354.html

helmut

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2007, 12:30:58 AM »
Sorry Helmut,

Never heard of a palladium spark plug, makes sense though, I have to check if I can buy one here in Australia.

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2007, 01:47:45 AM »
Please if you find a good place to buy palladium post it here.

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2007, 05:06:32 AM »
Heavy Water:

dissolve 14mg Deuterium-Oxide Powder in 1 liter of water..


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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2007, 05:17:48 AM »
palladium metal is under TSCA (SARA Title III) Status, whic means the EPA has a say in what can/can't be done with it. seems its rather expensive too.

http://www.advent-rm.com/lines.asp?criteria=material&materialID=34

heres one source, but you may want do to some more shopping, i didnt look hard.

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2007, 05:18:26 AM »
palladium can be bought through several on line dealers who specialize in coins souced from companies like Englehard. Also, there are some dealers in elements on ebay. They are the reliable ones with thousands of sales. Many are not in the US. Ask yourself why it is restricted in use. Nefarious? I dunno. I've no idea, I've just learned that it is prudent to expect the worst.

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Re: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2007, 09:23:34 AM »
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