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Author Topic: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator  (Read 130353 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2007, 04:35:10 AM »
Hi Ash,
it would be good, if your group or Mark could
test this again with the right measurement methods,
so we are sure that the flywheel-generator setup is underunity or overunity.

It does not make much sense, when indeed it will
come out to be underunity and some people put lots of money
into replication and then they also only get underunity.

So it would be best, if your group or Mark with NEC would
do the required tests, so we can finally have an answer,
if this is a road to go further into or look elsewhere.

Are you going again to Chas?s place to do more tests
or is there no apointment yet ?

When do you expect to have the other 3 videos online ?
Many thanks again.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2007, 04:35:10 AM »

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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2007, 04:49:58 AM »
HI Stefan, your right as always, i feel we need a research and development center and  thats what the non profit org is attempting to do as you know.

Okay , no not yet  i can make an appointment as soon as Mark wishes if he wants, Chas is alway open to letting us sniff around, and use it as an R and D tool. Soon as i get the resistors ill make one.

Okay there is only two video's left, one is the technical one which doesn't show any measurements, and the other is the panacea production evaluation based on what we have seen so far. We still need to heavily edit these so maybe by next week :-\, we need 78 hours in the day as yo know ;D

mean time if Mark wishes to bring in any equipment i can speak to Chas,






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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2007, 05:50:37 PM »
@Ash

Some constructive critisism (hopefully). lol

To much of the flywheel video was looking at the ground, someones ass,  feet, the cap box, but none was concentrated on the flywheel itself. It would be good to see the flywheel turning with 0 load on the Alt, from all angles in order to get an idea on the actual movement, since beyond all the RVing possible, the movement itself is the main source of any potential OU.

Without RV,  (V/A = volts/amps)

- measure V/A of the drive motor only at no load (no pulley strap),
- then add the pulley strap to the drive but remove the pulley strap from the Alt - Measure V/A of the drive
- then add the pulley strap to the alt but with no load  - Measure V/A of the drive
- then add a small load to the Alt  - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- then add another small load to the Alt  - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- then add another small load to the Alt  - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- repeat this until the drive stops.
This chart of results will be very revealing for the movement potential of Chas' design.

You can then do the same (exact) load additions with the RV and make a second chart for comparison.

In both cases, if it is possible to video the flywheel as the load is being added, to see the effect of the load on the wheel, this would be extremely good to see, especially when reviewing the video afterwards in slow motion.

This is the only way to really understand what's happening and where there is weakness in Chas' design.

All the best.

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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2007, 05:50:37 PM »
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rotational speed of any Pulse Motor - including Chas Campbell device
« Reply #63 on: September 21, 2007, 03:26:12 AM »
Quoted from http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?p=288#288

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Let us talk more about the rotational speed  of the Pulse Motor

(1)   Assume that the gained energy can be stored in the rotating cylinder.  See the explanation in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotational energy
I = moment of inertia
w = angular velocity
v = Linear velocity of the Rolling Cylinder
Mc = Mass of Cylinder
Energy of a rotating cylinder = 1/2 x I x w x w
= Translational energy = 1/2 x Mc x v x v

(2)   If the Pulse Energy and the Lead Out Gravitational Energy were added to the rotating cylinder, it would rotate faster. One of the most important factors determining how much Gravitational Energy can be Lead Out is the rotational speed.

(3)   We can assume that at equilibrium, some of the Output Energy is fed back to supply the Pulse.  The remaining will be used to overcome friction and do useful work.  In that case, the rotational speed of the Cylinder should be constant.

(4)   If the external Load increases, the Pulse Rate or similar should increase to Lead Out additional Gravitational Energy.  If that is not done, energy will be drained from the rotating cylinder and the rotational speed will decrease.  The decrease will further reduce the Lead Out Energy.  If this is not taken care of, the system will quickly slow down.

(5)   If the external Load decreases, the Pulse Rate or similar should decrease to Lead Out less Gravitational Energy. If that is not done, energy will accumulate and the rotational speed of the cylinder will increase.  This increase will further increase the Lead Out Energy.  If this is not taken care of, the system will rotate faster and resonate itself to destruction.

Most Over Unity Developers do not understand (4) and (5).  They might hit on the resonance conditions by luck and might even observe Over Unity for a short period under certain conditions. However, they could play with the invention for years without making it Over Unity for a workable range.  Thus programs or mechanisms to cater for (4) and (5) must be in place. 

It appears to me that the Chas Campbell Flywheel has not catered for (4) and (5).  Much more work is required.

Lawrence Tseung
Energy Consideration of Pulsed Rotation Leads Out programs or mechanisms to adjust the rotational speed.

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Re: rotational speed of any Pulse Motor - including Chas Campbell device
« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2007, 04:17:52 AM »
(5)   If the external Load decreases, the Pulse Rate or similar should decrease to Lead Out less Gravitational Energy. If that is not done, energy will accumulate and the rotational speed of the cylinder will increase.  This increase will further increase the Lead Out Energy.  If this is not taken care of, the system will rotate faster and resonate itself to destruction.

So you are saying that under your theory, the device should have resonated itself to destruction (or at least resonated faster)?  Because that clearly did not happen.

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Re: rotational speed of any Pulse Motor - including Chas Campbell device
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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #65 on: September 21, 2007, 06:52:06 AM »
Dear shruggedatlas,

The overunity forum gave error message of ...exceeding limits (50000) frequently.

I am posting the reply to you in:
http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?p=289#289

Regards,

Lawrence Tseung

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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2007, 06:58:12 AM »
@Ash

Some constructive critisism (hopefully). lol

To much of the flywheel video was looking at the ground, someones ass,  feet, the cap box, but none was concentrated on the flywheel itself. It would be good to see the flywheel turning with 0 load on the Alt, from all angles in order to get an idea on the actual movement, since beyond all the RVing possible, the movement itself is the main source of any potential OU.

Without RV,  (V/A = volts/amps)

- measure V/A of the drive motor only at no load (no pulley strap),
- then add the pulley strap to the drive but remove the pulley strap from the Alt - Measure V/A of the drive
- then add the pulley strap to the alt but with no load  - Measure V/A of the drive
- then add a small load to the Alt  - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- then add another small load to the Alt  - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- then add another small load to the Alt  - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- repeat this until the drive stops.
This chart of results will be very revealing for the movement potential of Chas' design.

You can then do the same (exact) load additions with the RV and make a second chart for comparison.

In both cases, if it is possible to video the flywheel as the load is being added, to see the effect of the load on the wheel, this would be extremely good to see, especially when reviewing the video afterwards in slow motion.

This is the only way to really understand what's happening and where there is weakness in Chas' design.

All the best.

Watts the video was supposed to be on the meters nothing else, the fly wheel is spinning to fast to note any change unless you have super vision, it spins very fast and when the ALT bogs down. No change can be visable, plus it wobbles allot.

Chas's drive motor takes 800 watts to free wheel
it took 6 amps by our meter to turn with the system
the RV too 3 amps with our amp meter.

Those small loads could be interesting ill keep them in mind and as soon as we get some time ill try my best to honor your request, we are concentrating on the water fuel cell now, so if any body want to try a mini version of Chas's set up be my guest, it isn't as easy to go over there takes time.

Chas stated that the Raito's and size are not critical in his design ;)



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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2007, 11:31:56 AM »
Hi Ash,
Thanks for the offer to talk to Chas about having a visit. I am tied up for the next couple of weeks as I have to go overseas. I also feel its a little early to come up as it would give Chas and you a little more time to sort out the technology. latter in October would suit me.
I feel you need to simply measure power in and power out ...both under load and not under load.
Good luck
Mark

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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2007, 12:54:29 PM »
@Ash,

I have done a spreadsheet on Pulse Motor using the known or estimated value of the Dr. Liang Xingren Car as an example.  See

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.msg50728.html#msg50728

I personally feel that the calculation may be applicable to the Chas Campbell Flywheel.  Theoretically, the Chas Campbell Flywheel is possible as an Electricity Magnifer device.

The spreadsheet is attached for your pleasure.

Hope that information helps.

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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2007, 04:38:11 PM »
This device is a Mechanical Battery, long time proven that a flywheel can store mechanical energy for the use of running a generator with excess load, or loss of input power.. commonly used technology made by many manufacturers and in production use today

With this fact, I think you need to measure this device more like you are measuring the capacity of a battery

also I would try to get a motor and a generator that use the same rpm, and do a direct drive motor - centrifugal force clutch (go-kart) - Generator  so there is no mechanical loss in the pulleys

As far as the rotoverter goes, I would do some research on  "Rotary Transformers"   a device used to run 3-phase equipment on single phase power...  it's a 3-phase motor, that you use capacitors to help generate the 3rd leg.  Very similar to a rotoverter...  there is math out there for the capacitance needed for load, and efficiencies.. as well as info about what type of motor should be used..  primarily a non-energy efficient motor is best for this application because of damage to the motor under load

I had the math and a good schematic for a 30HP version to generate 25KVA worth of 3-phase 208 from  single phase 240.. but I can't find it now..  I have the rotary transformer built and works...  just not the schematics anymore :(

gotta run, out of town working this week


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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #70 on: September 22, 2007, 05:31:29 AM »
Dear Ash et al,

I have completed my preliminary evaluation of the Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator.

The attached file (campbell1-5A.doc) focused only on that device.

Your comments are welcome.

Edited to address the comments  from Hans.

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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #71 on: September 22, 2007, 05:49:25 AM »
G'day Lawrence and all


Quote:

Calculation based on Chas Campbell Flywheel         

Mass in Kg               12   
Radius in Meters            0.3   
Rate of revolution in RPM      1573   

Effective rolling velocity in meters/second of Cylinder v = 2*pi* r * RPM/60         
49.417368         

Stored Energy of Cylinder = 1/2 * m * v * v in Newton-meter (joule)         
14652.45756         

"Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied within x sec, power  in Newton-meter/second (watt)"         
4884.15252      if x =    3


Assume 745.7 watts = 1 horse power         
The Chas Campbell Flywheel Horse Power
6.5


Doesn't that say it all (bold and in red). The "Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied" bit is the bit I am referring to. Why would we make such assumption?

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2007, 06:44:43 AM »
Hi Mark Hans Lawrence and all,

Okay these docs are VERY helpful and useful as we have the lab model there, not a problem Mark and Lawrence, ill take some more instrumentation there, weight etc, we expect to get full university support with our water fuel cell replicaiton so i will have access to better equipment and can try those ratio's.

Its like you guys are a virtual R and D center already, all as we need now is the land mark and grants to put this stuff into play, i have know this for years, So does Stefan, he has created 7000 of you here.

main thing is your attitudes remain consistent and this is a great vibe to be around guys, keep up the good work. i give you my word panacea will get you an R and D center and avoid all this in the future.


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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2007, 06:50:18 AM »
This device is a Mechanical Battery, long time proven that a flywheel can store mechanical energy for the use of running a generator with excess load, or loss of input power.. commonly used technology made by many manufacturers and in production use today

With this fact, I think you need to measure this device more like you are measuring the capacity of a battery

also I would try to get a motor and a generator that use the same rpm, and do a direct drive motor - centrifugal force clutch (go-kart) - Generator  so there is no mechanical loss in the pulleys

As far as the rotoverter goes, I would do some research on  "Rotary Transformers"   a device used to run 3-phase equipment on single phase power...  it's a 3-phase motor, that you use capacitors to help generate the 3rd leg.  Very similar to a rotoverter...  there is math out there for the capacitance needed for load, and efficiencies.. as well as info about what type of motor should be used..  primarily a non-energy efficient motor is best for this application because of damage to the motor under load

I had the math and a good schematic for a 30HP version to generate 25KVA worth of 3-phase 208 from  single phase 240.. but I can't find it now..  I have the rotary transformer built and works...  just not the schematics anymore :(

gotta run, out of town working this week



Hi rMuD

the RV is different as it tunning by pulse width and impedance matching via the re wiring/ Run cap and Freq, its not like the common add a phase this is stated in the compilations  ;).


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Re: Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator
« Reply #74 on: September 22, 2007, 12:25:11 PM »
Quote

.....      

"Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied within x sec, power  in Newton-meter/second (watt)"         
4884.15252      if x =    3


Assume 745.7 watts = 1 horse power         
The Chas Campbell Flywheel Horse Power
6.5
[/i]

Doesn't that say it all (bold and in red). The "Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied" bit is the bit I am referring to. Why would we make such assumption?

Hans von Lieven

Dear Hans,

Thank you for raising the concern or assumption of high energy drain or supply at high rotational rates.   I edited Campbell1-5A.doc to include the explanation.  You may need to re-download it.  Please keep doing raising your concerns because I do not know the level of expertise in this Open Forum.  Some points obvious to me and to the professors at top Universities may not be obvious to this general audience.

You have provided many good posts.  I do appreciate your contribution.  I even quoted your figure as Figure 8.1.

I shall quote the highlights that address the red text here:
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*** Note:  The Lead-Out is best at high rotational speed.  The Lead-Out energy at low speed is very low.  Thus in the Liang motor, a separate starting motor is used to get the Cylinder to the designed speed of 4500 rpm.  (Experiments showed that without the Starting Motor, the IC pulses just could not start the rotation!) 

The Equilibrium Rotational Rate can be maintained with just a small percentage  of ICs taking part in the Pulse.  For example, there are 800 IC pairs.  The number of IC interactions required to maintain equilibrium rotational speed at no external load may be 50.  (Another way of maintaining the equilibrium rotational speed may be to have 100 ICs Pulsing at half the previous rate). When the external load increases, the program can pulse up to an additional 750 pairs to increase the Pulse Force.  That could keep the cylinder to rotate at approximately the same speed or even higher.   

The Energy drained or supplied at such high rotational rates is very different from what is experienced in daily life.

Regards,

Lawrence Tseung
Energy Lead Out  at high Pulse or Rotational Rates  is very different from what we experience in our daily lives.

 

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