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TheOne

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2007, 04:43:32 PM »
You need to get rid of the Distributor and the battery. I did this in another post already.

Here goes, are you familiar with power overlap in combustion engines? On your experiment with the tape on the CD try adding two more magnets spaced equally apart (120 degrees) on the cd. This way 2 magnets will push the other magnet passed the dead spot. You still won't get enough power to measure but will it run on it's own? Then try 5 layers on the same armature, now you have ten magnets pushing, you should find a little power being produced. You say all right wize guy try it, I'm going to just as soon as I find the magnets. To increase torque you will need to increase the diameter of the flywheel. The more powerful the magnets the more power. You are losing mechanical power at the distributor and inputting power to drive an electro-magnet, these may be power losses that are unnecessary. Something wrong with looking for something for nothing?

the only problem adding more magnet on the rotor is you need to pulse more the coil per rotation, so at the end, you use more current, adding more magnet on the rotor is good if you need more power from the motor

for this kind of motor i see its better to have 2 magnets in the rotor instead of 3 or more

Honk

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2007, 05:56:15 PM »
You can also see it like this. Imagine a 2" x 1" neo magnet. That's not demagnetizing by itself.
Then break it into two 1" x 1" pieces. Now try to glue them back together like it was before.
Well no you can't because the two pieces are repelling each other like hell.
This is not so. If you break a magnet in that fashion, the two poieces
will not need sticking together. They will attract

At first:
N----------------------------S

after:
N----------S   N-------------S
Paul.

If the 2" long x 1" wide x 1" thick neo magnet is magnetized through it's thickness and broken
into two 1x1x1" magnets then you will put N to N and S to S when putting it back together.
Of course I meant it by this way, or else the question was meaningless.

At first:
N
|
S
after break:
N N
| |
S S
« Last Edit: July 12, 2007, 10:09:11 PM by Honk »

raburgeson

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2007, 11:55:58 PM »
My wife held the magnet order up a couple of days, trying to buy them here. I notice most of the power is lost pushing straight against the armature. Just conceptualising here, doodling if you will. We need to find a way around that. I like the idea of using a CD holder for a load bearing flywheel though, very good on someones part. The bearing seems to be quite efficient. Has anyone tried placing 2 spirals above and below the plane of the flywheel magnet, maybe with the leading edges tipped toward the plane of the flywheel?

Can't wait till they get here, they're probably sending them ground UPS snail delivery.

The best angle for a rail gun is probably the best angle for the spiral. I haven't found it on the net yet, there are just so many ways to atack this, another thing to try might be making a spiraled v shaped rail inside and outside of the path of the flywheel magnet. Well I have 4 rolls of tape and I'm waiting inpatiently, that's the way I always wait.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2007, 12:41:44 AM by raburgeson »

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2007, 07:28:07 PM »
Hy,

I have not the time to read your pr?vious posts but i show you an intersting id?a of a magnetic wankel
(I have to take time to read all of you, i'm french with so bad english and it take me a long time to understand each post)

This id?a come from "toto65" under a french ecologique forum named http://www.econologie.com

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_serpent_1a.jpg)

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_serpent_1b.jpg)

What do you think about ?

I know it's hard to build this kind of magnet but with a flexible pipe and magnet inside ?

Adding a coil and..... zou.... ;)

Molux

raburgeson

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2007, 09:37:06 PM »
That looks like a real good idea to try. I was thinking of 2 sets making a curved railgun track. Someone said a great truth when they said most of the force is being directed at the armature. I was trying to get rid of that problem. Also I'm hoping 2 driven magnets drive a third magnet through the area you are pulsing, through with out a pulse.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 10:33:47 PM by raburgeson »

supersam

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2007, 10:49:56 PM »
at all:

just continue the figure 8 stator as was posted, and i think you might have something.  it might even look like an infinity, symbol.  i wonder why?  some might even think it resembles a cadusious coil.  i wonder why?

lol
sam

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2007, 03:25:53 AM »
 Hi,
   do these motors actually turn freely up to the sticky point.
Its similar to an idea i have but need to know if these rotary type of motors turn freely up until the gap or sticky point, as this would give me incentive to get my project off the ground.
   The only reason i hadnt bothered was because of thinking of a way to overcome the sticky point, and out of the blue a unique mechanical idea came to me.
   The main similarity that these wankel magnet motors have to my idea is the way in which the magnets go from a small gap to a larger gap.
   If any members have built these and have them rotating freely up to the sticky point,  please post a reply.
  thanks. mike

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2007, 04:24:29 AM »
Yes, they turn and gain speed until the end of the magnets.  I am thinking that a mechanical combination of the dual oscillator pendulium and the wankel motor may work.  Just use the mechanical oscillator to regauge the wankel and use the stored flywheel energy to reenergize the pendulium.

Rich

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2007, 01:39:51 PM »
 Thanks for that.
   the idea i had, without giving too much away, is to have numerous magnets in the system at the same time, but only 1 magnet leaves the system, and only 1 enters the system or the sticky point during 1 revolution.
      This is different to the wankel idea as if you had say 20 magnets on the shaft there would be 20 magnets leaving and entering the sticky point in 1 revolution. (so the situation is still the same as having 2 magnets).
     
     So if the combination of say 20 magnets have more force than than the one entering at the sticky point,this should overcome the force needed to bring the new magnet into the system.
     The only problem is that to make the mechanical means to achieve this would  take a very long time.
    The strange thing about this is that i had been thinking about how to achieve this for a long time,
and out of the blue in a relaxed state of mind without even thinking about it the idea came to me.
    Every idea i have seen does not have this idea, they either have 1 or more magnets that that enter and exit the system in 1 revolution.

 Mike.

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2007, 02:09:52 PM »
Unless I'm missing something in the regauging, you will only be storing the energy derived from the first magnets rotation by bridging the gap for the second (and beyond) magnets.  It's like an Adsitt ramp, he originally thought he could loop it not realizing the only energy he was seeing was the initial entry energy placed in the system at magnet's release.

Rich