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Offline acp

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« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2007, 09:37:18 AM »
It's obvious that he's not going to show you how his "device" works. The question remains, what is he doing here?

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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2007, 10:19:37 AM »
G'day all,

Remember when I said:

I would love to see the Fibonacci effect. Would make a welcome change from Aether, Moebiusstrips, Lead out theory and all that boring old stuff.

I am still waiting to see the fabled Fibonacci effect applied to magnetism, life, the universe and everything.

And there was me thinking it was 42. *

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Offline Earl

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« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2007, 12:36:09 PM »
Ergo,

you appear to be very weak in history and banking.

The Middle East was divided up during WWI mainly by USA, Britain, and France.
The day after WWI ended, the British military invaded Iraq and took possession of it.  When necessary, the Brits invented the idea of being the first to drop poison gas from an airplane to brutally put down Iraqi rebellions against their invasion and occupation.

Oil is free energy.  From 1918 until 1958 each and every barrel of Iraqi oil was free energy; not one single dime was ever paid for it.  Recently more than 2 million Iraqis have been murdered for oil.  Hundreds of tons of atomic bombs have been used, spreading depleted uranium nano-sized dust all over the planet.  DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years.

1.5 million Indonesians were massacred in a major campaign of repression intended to secure US, British and Dutch oil interests.

If you do a profound study of worthless fiat money and the necessity of central bankers to buy dollars in order to buy oil, you will realize that America does not pay anything for oil; it is free energy.

Asking why there are so many being murdered for power and money makes no more sense than asking why was I born a boy instead of a girl?  Fact are facts.

And why do those in power insist on spreading DU poison all over the globe, giving themselves cancer and their children genetic defects?  Because some people love power and money so much that they can be classified as totally insane.  Insane people do not think logically nor intelligently.

Don't ask stupid questions, just open a history book, and open your eyes.

Regards, Earl

And why should the energy companies like to kill a new source of energy. It does not make sense. They would of course produce new cheap electricity and sell it for the same price as they are used to and then make even more money.This applies to the oil and gas companies as well.  Instead of buying and importing expensive oil they could just set up a plant and produce free energy which they could sell for lots of money. 
But again. If you do succeed to make a working magnet motor you are a hero, sir.

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Offline Ergo

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« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2007, 01:10:35 PM »
What can I say.

At the time there was no other "free energy" source than oil. And most of it was located in the third world.
Of course they had to go and fight to take control of the oil. There was no other "free" alternatives.

But, what if the energy could be produced completely for free anywhere on the earth within the same timeframe of history.
Then there would be no point of going to war and battle over oil.
Anyone could start a company and produce energy. The government would of course try to regulate it by laws in a way that
they could benefit from. But still, the energy would be free and countries wouldn't need to fight over the "free energy".

Of course there would be lots of battles within the countries to get control over the power. That's the properties of mankind.
But today, when we really need a new and clean power source (and cheap), the energy companies would love to have it.
They would not try to shelf it. They might try to keep the intellectual property as long as possible for themselves but once
it was possible to get free energy, the rest of the world would follow the same recipe and make their own stew.

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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2007, 01:36:01 PM »
...DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years....

You do understand that the longer the half-life, the more stable and less radioactive a substance is?

I see this number all the time, and all it proves is how stable and non-radioactive DU is!


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Offline Freezer

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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2007, 11:40:43 PM »
If you do manage to make a working magnet motor I will applause you. But please don't think for a minute that there are forces willing to kill you for this.
Once another source of energy is discovered and publicized the whole world will congratulate the inventor.
There are many ongoing projects around the world in search for new energy. And they are not being shoot or shut down.
This is serius and well known attempts. Why should any company feel threatened by a small time inventor that's involved in a perhaps impossible task?

Lol..  Do you really think the energy giants want free energy devices?  Fact is there's no money to be made by selling free energy devices.  Its pretty naive to think people who are making trillions of dollars off crap systems would want to trade that for free energy devices people could easily build themselves, which could supply energy indefinitely.  There's no monthly bill with a free energy device..  Companies don't feel threatened?  Why has Joe Newman been unsuccessful in obtaining a patent after decades.............................???


And why should the energy companies like to kill a new source of energy. It does not make sense. They would of course produce new cheap electricity
and sell it for the same price as they are used to and then make even more money.This applies to the oil and gas companies as well.
Instead of buying and importing expensive oil they could just set up a plant and produce free energy which they could sell for lots of money.

And what if a device were to surface, in which a person could spend $40 at the store and build it themselves?  Tesla could've supplied us free energy 100 years ago..............PPFFFTTT!!!!

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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2007, 10:14:49 AM »
Yes, I do believe that the energy giants would like another cheap energy source.
In many countries the government would also apply laws against owning or building your own free energy device.
They'd want to be able to cash in som money from this. No way it would be totaly free.
And most people do not build any devices whatsoever. They would not build any free energy devices either.
But the giants would have the blessings of their government to build devices kepts in power plants to produce energy.

Think of it. No production cost and maximum income. Of course they would switch from expensive oil and coal to this.
They are not stupid. Money is king and rules.

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« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2007, 10:28:33 AM »
G'day all,

You are right Ergo, The examples of what you are saying are all around us. Try brewing alcohol, growing tobacco or marijuana for that matter and see where that gets you.

Take tobacco, the seeds are cheap, the stuff grows just about everywhere and needs little care, the perfect crop if you only have a small garden full of the stuff. Big mono cultures have problems, but we are not talking about that here. Grow the stuff without a permit and you go straight to gaol.

You would think with stuff that can be grown for the price of wheat you would not have to pay $12.00 (Australian) for a packet of cigarettes. If it wasn't for the powers that be such a notion would be preposterous.

You think when it comes to free energy those bastards would do something different??

Not F***ing likely.

Hans von Lieven

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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2007, 12:54:10 PM »
...DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years....

You do understand that the longer the half-life, the more stable and less radioactive a substance is?

I see this number all the time, and all it proves is how stable and non-radioactive DU is!

No, it does not.  It proves how stupid and gullible some people are.

Your statement makes me wonder if you ever got past Kindergarden in school?
I have heard some pretty stupid things in my life, but this tops them all.
You are incapable of understanding the concept of radioactive decay.  Not to worry.
The Russians didn't understand either.  The kept trucking their radioactive waste to a depot.  With time, it grew and grew and grew, and what was a small mountain slowly became a big mountain.  At one point in time the entire mountain became critical and blew up in a low-yield explosion that contaminated a huge area making it unlivable.

I guess that is why so many GIs are coming back from Iraq seriously ill with radiation poisoning.  Of course, the government dishes out the same bull shit as you, so that the GIs have to pay for their medical tests themselves.

There has been an alarming increase in Iraqi women having grossly malformed children, I mean we are talking here about things more like monsters than humans.

The tolerance for any radioactivity ingested into the body is zero.  The nano-sized DU particles easily enter the body via the lungs.  Once inside the body, the radiation ravages the DNA, destroying and mutating it.  There is nothing worse than alpha and beta inside the body since they have such terribly ionizing power.  The DU also enters the food chain and gets ingested this way.

For your information, the longer the half-life, the longer the element/isotope is radioactive.  Only MUCH longer than the half-life will it become stable and stop emitting radioactivity. 

Of all the stupid things humans have done, such as putting lead in gasoline, using DU munitions is by far the stupidest and most insane.  It is so insane, words can not even be found to describe it.

Regards, Earl

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« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2007, 04:04:13 PM »
Yes, I do believe that the energy giants would like another cheap energy source.

Ergo, is this a religious faith type of belief or are there intellectual reasons behind this belief?

Why would any businessman change what he is doing, when there is a profit avalanche now?
A businessman only changes when the profits drop too much, but at the moment profits have never been higher.
(Just close your eyes and don't think about the future).

Think of it. No production cost and maximum income.
Oil companies have no production cost.  Their costs are only virtual.  If I pay $1000 for a barrel of oil, how much does that cost me?  Last week, the US Treasury printed $100 billion "dollars".  It did not cost them any gold or any silver.  So please tell me how much it costs to take a piece of paper and print it with ink?  It doesn't matter whether the ink says 10, 100, or 1000; the cost is the same.  So please tell me how much it costs to buy a barrel of oil for $1000 if I pay for it with a Federal Reserve Note?

Of course they would switch from expensive oil and coal to this.
They are not stupid. Money is king and rules.
They are not stupid because they buy oil in "dollars" which is in reality Federal Reserve Notes, since the dollar has no longer existed since many decades.  When I was younger, I remember seeing dollars.  I could even take one down to the bank and demand they exchange it for silver.  Then all the dollars disappeared.  All that you could get were Federal Reserve Notes, which are worthless and can not be exchanged for anything of value.  It is a good thing for the oil companies that they still find people willing to take 80 Federal Reserve Notes for a barrel of oil.  It permits them to buy oil for free.

This is really the major reason why Iraq was invaded.  Iraq had started selling oil in Euros.  If oil were to be sold in Euros only, the American economy would collapse since America could no longer buy oil for nothing.  All of the world's countries would no longer be forced to buy dollars and keep billions of dollars in reserve.

Why do you insist on saying "expensive oil"?  Even at $100, even $1000 a barrel, it costs nothing:  it is free energy.  A free energy machine is not cheaper, and can not be controlled so easily as oil, so why change?  If they change, they are stupid, which they are not.  The stupid people are the sheep and the naive.

There is no incentive to change because of profit.  The only reason to change would be environmental damage.  Until now, any change of heart from the oil co.s was due only to positioning to maintain control of energy, whether oil, solar, or whatever.  Now some oil companies are realizing that continuing to burn hydrocarbons is a near-term dead-end road.  As the planet continues to heat up, all forests will burn, oceans will die, atmospheric oxygen levels will plummet, droughts will increase, food crop production will dive, inflation will gallop, Tokyo, Osaka, Paris, DC, New York, London will be flooded.  Melting ice will dilute north Atlantic sea water causing the Grand Conveyor Belt and Golf Stream to stop and plunge Europe and the eastern Third of USA into Siberian temperatures.  Economies will collapse, governments will collapse, anarchy and local war lords will reign.  The only reason oil companies exist is to make money for their stock holders.  Needless to say, in order to pay dividends the arrival of the previously-mentioned conditions must be avoided.  The only way to do this is to stop burning hydrocarbons now.  Oil companies are starting to wake up and change their mentalities, some are still retarded and pay journalists $10000 per story that says global warming is nonsense and non existent.  Talk about pissing against the wind instead of doing something smart.  It has less to do with money than the havoc and suicide caused by continuing to oxidize fossil fuels.  There are signs that the smart oil companies are no longer resisting new energy, but trying to embrass it in order to control and monopolize the inevitable.

Regards, Earl

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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2007, 05:34:56 AM »
HI Brian, Earl, Hans and all

Earl, yup, and this man can back up exactly what your saying is real, thats why Iran is next.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/OilSubjugation.htm
Earl, i feel what you said needs to be added to that page above.

Brian, mate i am based in Brisbane, and am a co founder of a non profit organization founded to create security and acquire  resources for open sourced engineers and even the ones dumb enough to think they can market their device in REAL TIME.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org

I feel i can create some security and help mate.

We have many grant foundations which are interested in helping us GRANT this open sourced tech and support the engineers (we are non profit), ATM we are pilot scaling a water fuel cell and an electric motor modification in order to get the ball rolling.

We are also here to create social reform and educate the public about suppression and many other issues. This will be done out of the proposed granted research and development center.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/ResearchandDevelopment.htm

We are due to show our Ravi/Dave/Meyers replication at the Nexus group meeting and many other appointments very soon. Our public un veiling will be to spread awareness, education and also to get the center granted for all engineers. Lets hit them hard mate!

Here is the energy suppression research we have uncovered so far.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/EnergySuppression.htm

Brian would you object to us putting your story there at all?

Also mate if you need any one local to help in  any way, please consider contacting us, I was asked by a trusted member here to chat with you i thought i wouldn't post it here for ever one to see where we are coming from. Would love to get your Demo's on tap and create a page for you

Here
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/RandDprinciples.htm
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here
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/RegisteredTech.htm


We have also been legally addressing all the themes mentioned here
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/Evidenceofconcern.htm

Plus i have been preforming the resident helper and sniffer dog here too and can offer as many services need to help, here is my email too mate if you need to contract me ashtweth@gmail.com



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« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2007, 03:16:56 PM »
"you can't make money from OU" and "people would make the machines themselves at home"

right, like it happens with most of the stuff we have now? It doesn't. People wouldn't build the devices themselves. Well, some would, most of them would buy the machine. You can buy a PC in pieces and just put everything together, it's easy stuff to do, but how many people actually do that to save money? Most of the people don't, and they wouldn't build their own OU device either. They wouldn't care how it's built, all they would care about is they get free enrgy, so they'd pay for it.

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« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2007, 03:05:21 AM »
"you can't make money from OU" and "people would make the machines themselves at home"

right, like it happens with most of the stuff we have now? It doesn't. People wouldn't build the devices themselves. Well, some would, most of them would buy the machine. You can buy a PC in pieces and just put everything together, it's easy stuff to do, but how many people actually do that to save money? Most of the people don't, and they wouldn't build their own OU device either. They wouldn't care how it's built, all they would care about is they get free enrgy, so they'd pay for it.

I built my own computer :D.  Anyways its really about these groups suppressing the technology thats the problem.  Who cares who builds it, or where it comes from, the suppression continues and will continue until we find a design that works and open source it throughout the internet.

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« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2007, 09:06:11 AM »
I believe the suppression is a myth. There is no government or company thats actively workning on suppression.
It's just not logical. Free Energy is not possible according to scientists and I don't believe they would not take this
fact into account and then spend a lot of money to suppress something that cannot exist. It's Occams Razor.

There always seem to be a tendency to believe in mysterious stories and blaming the government when something
is very hard obtain or cannot be confirmed. It's the same story over and over. Take any event in history that have
the have the right properties to become a myth, like the Kennedy murder or the Moon landing.
Just because someone have questioned the proof it will turne into a myth by many people that just canno't
resist the temptation to believe in a myth instead of being logic and rational.

Well, it's still not to late to find a source of free energy, but once we find it we will become amazed either how
difficult it was or how easy it was to finally solve the problem.

But one thing is for sure. Magnets will continue to intrigue peoples minds by their shere force. Including me.

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« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2007, 09:22:45 AM »
G'day all,

Not only magnets Ergo. Everyone who has ever dropped something heavy on their foot or has fallen down hard knows about the power of gravity. Some people will always be chasing a gravity powered machine that runs forever on nothing, even if someone were to invent one.

It's a bit like a religion. :-)

Hans von Lieven

 

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