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Offline tinu

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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #105 on: October 04, 2007, 09:37:26 AM »

I'm here as part of my junior year engineering curriculum looking for a "free energy" project to study, report on and scientifically scrutinize. 

Linda Damiani


Hi Linda,

Regarding your purposes, please come and check the following thread
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3086.0.html

I?m working on the subject, which I consider to be tangible.
I have to warn that it is not easy and, unfortunately, I couldn?t get solid results as of yet. Still, there are good chances imho.

Tx,
Tinu

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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #105 on: October 04, 2007, 09:37:26 AM »

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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #106 on: October 05, 2007, 04:33:56 AM »
Just in case anyone missed my post the first time around  :)

Hello Everyone,

I just happened to come across this post today and after reading some of Mr. Marshal's post, I must agree that the effect he is demonstrating is indeed genuine. I have done very extensive research into this effect and wrote an article called the "90 Degree Rule Theory" which goes into great detail about the mechanism causing the effect. On my article is also a link to a demonstration video which proves exactly what Brian was showing with the nonlinear gating effect which I call the 'kick' effect in my article.

http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90

There is only one thing you need to be aware of when experimenting with this, in order for the gate to work properly, there should only be one gate magnet per rotor. I have found in my early tests that adding multiple gate magnets in a circle actually diminishes the effect because the fields begin to couple to each other. My belief is that the optimal setup would contain a spiral of gate magnets rather then having them all on the same circumference disk around the rotor.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #107 on: October 05, 2007, 09:01:11 AM »
Just in case anyone missed my post the first time around  :)

Hello Everyone,

I just happened to come across this post today and after reading some of Mr. Marshal's post, I must agree that the effect he is demonstrating is indeed genuine. I have done very extensive research into this effect and wrote an article called the "90 Degree Rule Theory" which goes into great detail about the mechanism causing the effect. On my article is also a link to a demonstration video which proves exactly what Brian was showing with the nonlinear gating effect which I call the 'kick' effect in my article.

http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90

There is only one thing you need to be aware of when experimenting with this, in order for the gate to work properly, there should only be one gate magnet per rotor. I have found in my early tests that adding multiple gate magnets in a circle actually diminishes the effect because the fields begin to couple to each other. My belief is that the optimal setup would contain a spiral of gate magnets rather then having them all on the same circumference disk around the rotor.

God Bless,
Jason O

Interesting, I built a setup, in which I was sure it would work based on one stator assembly.  After adding more stators to complete the circle, the field diminished the more I added.  I think you are right that the stators could be built on different levels and will work.  The force I was getting made me so excited I stayed up late nights to finish, then sadly realizing it wasn't gonna work.  I think after about 120 degrees is where it should be seperated.

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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #107 on: October 05, 2007, 09:01:11 AM »
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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #108 on: October 14, 2007, 12:01:13 PM »
Yep, I agree with you Freezer. In my experiments, I noticed the best kicks with no more than two or three stator magnets around the rotor. But again, it also depends on the diameter of the disk and stator assembly. The whole point is not to let the fields get close enough to interact with each other significantly. The only way to get around this would be to shield the magnets like Perendev did for their motor. But I would just use, say, two stator magnets and offset them on different assemblies spaced away from each other. Even it the thing ends up being long like a cylinder, it would be a very simple test to prove/disprove.

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Jason O

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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #109 on: November 06, 2007, 09:11:00 PM »
Hello Brian,
I have just watched your videos and it looks great. I had thoughts about being able to effect magnetic flux with some kind of wave - vibration - sound - something but I didn't know what. I would like to understand what you are referring to in regards to the gauze. Are you being metaphorical or are you refering to gauze as in hospital wappings or in the electronic field  that effects CRT's?

If you have any need of support in Western Sydney let me know.

Regards,
Hammertime

Hello, Brian:

Like Hammertime, I also was concerned about your use of the word "gauze". Did you mean "gauss", ie., in reference to magnetic fields? As Hammertime said, "Gauze"  is  medical fabric used in dressings, surgery, or bandaging.

Keep going  with your magnets-based work, as tricky as it can be at times. It seems that in all of this Free Energy work, pulsing, resonance, sharp/sudden field perturbance, optimal high or extra-low frequency, optimal high voltage, and knowledge of working materials as simple as water, copper or aluminium, and the geometry of device components are crucial considerations (No doubt I've omitted some things). Also  there's a lot about electromagnetism that has yet to be known, and it looks like  F-E workers will be the ones to add to that knowledge base.

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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #109 on: November 06, 2007, 09:11:00 PM »
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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #110 on: November 06, 2007, 11:36:09 PM »
Ergo:

I agree with most of what you said about Brian's lack of understanding of the way the Universe works. However, I have a problem with your statement below:

You are babbling your own imaginary theories without any credibility whatsoever.
It cleary demonstrates you haven't got a clue about magnetic fields and their part of nature.
No magnetic field from any planet or star reaches out to another planet.

Despite Brian's "imaginary theories", Maxwell and Hertz showed that magnetic fields do extend out forever from their source, even to other bodies in space. However, as you've implied, wittingly or unwittingly, they become weaker by the Inverse Square Law the further they are from their source. For all intents and purposes, therefore, they give  every appearance to  "non-techies" that they have ceased at a certain point. As we on this forum all know, however, by the time they reach another planet/sun/moon/galaxy etc. they are usually too weak to be detected, but still there, nonetheless. Many of us F-E types, however, at least hypothesize that E-M fields from the Quantum Vacuum  - Vacuum Energy - , once again being referred to as the "Aether", being longitudinal (Whittaker et al.)  rather than transverse, also continue forever, but since the Inverse Square Law does not apply in that case, there is no diminishment in their intensity. So in those cases, the amplitude remains constant, as does the field's energy.

If you do manage to make a working magnet motor I will applause you. But please don't think for a minute that there are forces willing to kill you for this. Once another source of energy is discovered and publicized the whole world will congratulate the inventor. There are many ongoing projects around the world in search for new energy. And they are not being shoot or shut down. This is serius and well known attempts. Why should any company feel threatened by a small time inventor that's involved in a perhaps impossible task?

And why should the energy companies like to kill a new source of energy. It does not make sense. They would of course produce new cheap electricity and sell it for the same price as they are used to and then make even more money.This applies to the oil and gas companies as well. Instead of buying and importing expensive oil they could just set up a plant and produce free energy which they could sell for lots of money.

But again. If you do succeed to make a working magnet motor you are a hero, sir.

Boy, Ergo, your above comment is the height of naivet?!. You must be very new to the New (ie., Free) Energy environment, since most of us have heard our geat share of horror stories of thugs throwing inventors against brick walls just hard enough to warn them against continuing to develop their invention. Speak to John Bedini, who has his own, apparently quite successful magnet-type motor-generator, about one such experience. Yes, "there are forces willing to kill" inventors if they persist in going ahead with their F-E project, but those forces generally act in "gentler" ways first, such as offering multi-millions or even billions to buy out IP and shelve it. Many, such as Charles Pogue, inverntor of a 200 mpg carburetor back in the 30s, apparently have taken that bait.To be sure, most F-E inventors are not threatened with harm as long as the "powers that be" figure they're nowhere near success, and most will probably never be successful. But the moment one has demonstrated even near-success, there's a good chance one will be served with a "Secrecy Order" from the Government, if not death from energy corporation thugs, on account of "National Security" (for the oil companies, that is). If the authorities know you've disobeyed such an order, you go to prison, as happened to Adam Trombly with his F-E device. It's for reasons like those that inventors tend to keep things quiet, until they can find supporters they can trust.

As for "Once another source of energy is discovered and publicized the whole world will congratulate the inventor", the ordinary people of the world would do so for sure. After all, it's to their benefit. But Big Oil, Gas, and Coal, large private electricity companies such as ConEd, the large private banks of the world such as CitiBank and Deutsche Bank, and certain governments and their populations which plan on eventually controlling the rest of the world in their own interest, would hate it. They know that Free Energy is real, alright, and they thus do not intend "to kill a new source of energy"; you've got that right! But they want it all for themselves as a monopoly or oligopoly when they're ready to implement it under their control. That way they could control a) the price of that energy at what the market would bear, and the energy supply and thus b)  the world's rank-and-file populations - power-tripping!! A large coporation  or other such entity would feel threatened if they can't get the invention in question, even if the inventor is "small time". Said company or companies would then lose some control, then a reduction in income and eventually assets, and then relegation to just being another medium-sized business which has to hustle to stay above water, like the local lumber company or brick-works. Energy control is today the major way of controlling the world's population in the interest of the "Big Boys". If  every building, including every home, had its own privately-owned F-E generator from a variety of vendors not part of the big corporate milieu, and better yet, if many of those generators were "home-built" by the home-owner, there's that much less power that the Big Corporations can exercise over us "little guys", since we'd have more power (and responsibility) over our own life situation.

So, with "They would of course produce new cheap electricity and sell it for the same price as they are used to and then make even more money.This applies to the oil and gas companies as well. Instead of buying and importing expensive oil they could just set up a plant and produce free energy which they could sell for lots of money", you've just made my point! Yes, indeed!. Right now, the oil, gas, and automobile companies have billions invested in oil stores, extraction, and transport facilities, and production infrastructure for the gasoline and diesel engine. Mutual, pension, and education funds are also invested in them. Bring in New Energy right away and those financial instruments "go down the tubes Big Time", and could hurt a lot of "semi"-innocent people who are buying oil at $90/barrel. Imagine it going down to $15/barrel within one year of the first workable F-E generators coming out, even though we're allegedly running out of oil. There'd be a temporary oil "surplus" in that case. Now you know why F-E inventors and their crews will face hard times from Big Corps and certain Big Governments in this matter. The forces you mentioned don't want to "kill a new source of energy"; they just want to control it!!

Hal Ade

 

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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #111 on: November 07, 2007, 10:25:36 AM »

Boy, Ergo, your above comment is the height of naivet?!. You must be very new to the New (ie., Free) Energy environment, since most of us have heard our geat share of horror stories of thugs throwing inventors against brick walls just hard enough to warn them against continuing to develop their invention. Speak to John Bedini, who has his own, apparently quite successful magnet-type motor-generator, about one such experience. Yes, "there are forces willing to kill" inventors if they persist in going ahead with their F-E project, but those forces generally act in "gentler" ways first, such as offering multi-millions or even billions to buy out IP and shelve it. Many, such as Charles Pogue, inverntor of a 200 mpg carburetor back in the 30s, apparently have taken that bait.To be sure, most F-E inventors are not threatened with harm as long as the "powers that be" figure they're nowhere near success, and most will probably never be successful. But the moment one has demonstrated even near-success, there's a good chance one will be served with a "Secrecy Order" from the Government, if not death from energy corporation thugs, on account of "National Security" (for the oil companies, that is). If the authorities know you've disobeyed such an order, you go to prison, as happened to Adam Trombly with his F-E device. It's for reasons like those that inventors tend to keep things quiet, until they can find supporters they can trust.

As for "Once another source of energy is discovered and publicized the whole world will congratulate the inventor", the ordinary people of the world would do so for sure. After all, it's to their benefit. But Big Oil, Gas, and Coal, large private electricity companies such as ConEd, the large private banks of the world such as CitiBank and Deutsche Bank, and certain governments and their populations which plan on eventually controlling the rest of the world in their own interest, would hate it. They know that Free Energy is real, alright, and they thus do not intend "to kill a new source of energy"; you've got that right! But they want it all for themselves as a monopoly or oligopoly when they're ready to implement it under their control. That way they could control a) the price of that energy at what the market would bear, and the energy supply and thus b)  the world's rank-and-file populations - power-tripping!! A large coporation  or other such entity would feel threatened if they can't get the invention in question, even if the inventor is "small time". Said company or companies would then lose some control, then a reduction in income and eventually assets, and then relegation to just being another medium-sized business which has to hustle to stay above water, like the local lumber company or brick-works. Energy control is today the major way of controlling the world's population in the interest of the "Big Boys". If  every building, including every home, had its own privately-owned F-E generator from a variety of vendors not part of the big corporate milieu, and better yet, if many of those generators were "home-built" by the home-owner, there's that much less power that the Big Corporations can exercise over us "little guys", since we'd have more power (and responsibility) over our own life situation.

So, with "They would of course produce new cheap electricity and sell it for the same price as they are used to and then make even more money.This applies to the oil and gas companies as well. Instead of buying and importing expensive oil they could just set up a plant and produce free energy which they could sell for lots of money", you've just made my point! Yes, indeed!. Right now, the oil, gas, and automobile companies have billions invested in oil stores, extraction, and transport facilities, and production infrastructure for the gasoline and diesel engine. Mutual, pension, and education funds are also invested in them. Bring in New Energy right away and those financial instruments "go down the tubes Big Time", and could hurt a lot of "semi"-innocent people who are buying oil at $90/barrel. Imagine it going down to $15/barrel within one year of the first workable F-E generators coming out, even though we're allegedly running out of oil. There'd be a temporary oil "surplus" in that case. Now you know why F-E inventors and their crews will face hard times from Big Corps and certain Big Governments in this matter. The forces you mentioned don't want to "kill a new source of energy"; they just want to control it!!

Hal Ade

 

You can read for yourselves the experience of Mark Dansie, a member of New Energy Commision NEC, that have many years experinece of new energy inventions.
He have never encounted any signs or proof of conspiracy against new energy inventions.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg53232.html#msg53232
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg53577.html#msg53577
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg46307.html#msg46307

It's common people like us that tends to believe in all those conspiracy theories.

The John Bedini motor never worked. It had hidden batteries. End of story.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1988.msg51339.html#msg51339

Why ain't Paul Sprain or Hilden-Brand dead yet? According to you and your believes in the conspiracy
theories they should have been killed a long time ago. But they are still living a good life. Period.

And then there are of course all of those other real and proven Free Energy developments.
Fusion power, Solar power, Wind power, Wave power, Water power and this list keeps going on.
Why ain't the leading inventors of these companies getting killed? Well, just because the is no existing conspiracy against free energy.

Even if a Free energy device is released there will still be a great need for oil. The world won't change over night. It will take a long time.
And some engines can't be replaced by another power source.
Just think of all situations where there is a need for a powerful combustion engine, like fast jet planes, compact high power motors, and so on.

You shouldn't forget that nowadays there is a global craving for green energy. It's not like in the 70 or 80:ties when people didn't give a shit.

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Re: Overunity perpetual motion motor magnets
« Reply #111 on: November 07, 2007, 10:25:36 AM »
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« Reply #112 on: February 08, 2008, 07:01:15 AM »
I have read alot of posts on the subject of magnetic motors operating in the repultion state. I have listened to both sides of the issue (believers and debunker's). I happen to think that it is possible for such a devise to be made. However, I am not sure of the possible torque that can be produced. And after all that is what we are after to make work from the energy. As for the debunker's out there the laws of thermal dynamics DO NOT APPLY to magnetic motors as there is NO heat generated NOR is heat used to obtain the energy. Just ask any educated physicist. THERMAL (heat) DYNAMICS (the science dealing with motions produced by given forces) get a dictionary. As of the demagnetization of the magnets in the repultion mode, you are right. They will demagnetize, but only if the coercive force (Ke) is below 15(Ke). Even with that knowledge it must also be stated that it will take about 10 to 12 years for enough demagnetization to occur to even measure the Gauss loss with a Gasometer. Even longer to diminish the magnet enough to cause loss in power using a magnet less than 15(ke). Neo magnets are the only way to go with the current technology we have and even they were not invented until 1983 in China. Even then they were used in high tech devices in technology based fields of industry. They were not available redilly to the public until the beginning of the 90's to mid 90's. Furthermore, not everything about magnets are known to science. There are still some mysteries to be solved.
With that out of the way I would like to add that I am planning to replicate the Perendev motor. I have done alot of research into this device and believe that I have discovered the key to it. I should have it completed in about two months. It will be a 1/4 scale model as it is inversely proportional so therefore power will be scalable. I have a few ideas about certain requirements that I wish to experiment with to improve the power of this device (if it works). I will post my findings when appropriate. I promise to post a video of the device in good resolution with a complete walk around on a glass table as to try to convience the skeptics. If anything furthere that I can do with the video to help out please let me know ahead of time.
THANK YOU,


 

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