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Author Topic: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage  (Read 17556 times)

Offline Robb077

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2007, 12:15:43 PM »
One possibility is another capacitor in the recharger, possibly at home, that is charged over a longer period of time and capable of transfering its charge in 5 minutes to the auto. The only time you need a 5 minute charge is on the road anyway, which is nice to have as a possibility. For this reason, its a great idea.

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2007, 04:26:52 PM »
Any sort of electrical vehicle is a good idea however primitive and cumbersome it may initially seem.
Technology finds a way.

(Note my words :))

Offline Super God

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2008, 04:31:28 PM »
I saw the article.  It mentioned five minutes from a SUBSTATION.  Still, even if we limited the current to 20 Amps and 220 volts we could store enough energy to go quite a distance.  Very impressive.

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2008, 04:31:28 PM »
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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »
I saw the article.  It mentioned five minutes from a SUBSTATION.  Still, even if we limited the current to 20 Amps and 220 volts we could store enough energy to go quite a distance.  Very impressive.
No this is NOTHING.

I you have 20Amp 220V to load ONE long hour
that is 4400 wats/hour.
If you load only 6 Minutes  that you loading 1/10 of them this is 440Watt/hour.
(less than 1 HP in one hour)  Some math must be wrong here....
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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2008, 03:55:23 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEstor
If this is a supercapacitor, then we are back to the problem of what happens
when a fuharged cap is involved in a car crash. The cap instantly discharging
would blow the car to bits.
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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2008, 05:32:36 PM »
If this is a supercapacitor, then we are back to the problem of what happens
when a fuharged cap is involved in a car crash. The cap instantly discharging
would blow the car to bits.
Paul.

Yep, any and all operating conditions will have to be tested (especially for automotive use). If you follow the money link on the wiki (Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers) looks like they will have sufficient funding.

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2008, 07:47:07 PM »
Even, battery or condensor...
You will load this from electricity in FAST times.

Not ony the fully Kilowatts/hour (If you need to drive only ONE hour.

If Your car have spend 50kW/h

than you must load 500Kwatts/6minutes
for fast load !

Even if you will load 50kW/h or 500KW in 6 minutes (to charge the batteries)
your home-power-line will make problems with your experiments...


 

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2008, 08:45:09 PM »
Guess the charging line will consist of a multiphase signal  ?

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2008, 08:54:22 PM »
Even, battery or condensor...
You will load this from electricity in FAST times.

Not ony the fully Kilowatts/hour (If you need to drive only ONE hour.

If Your car have spend 50kW/h

than you must load 500Kwatts/6minutes
for fast load !

Even if you will load 50kW/h or 500KW in 6 minutes (to charge the batteries)
your home-power-line will make problems with your experiments...


 

According to the wiki info the idea on charging the EESU is straightforward. A home based charging station charges the EESU at a slow rate (perhaps overnight when off-peak electric rates are the lowest). Then, in the morning the home based EESU is used to charge the EESU in the vehicle at a rapid rate. It remains to be seen if this is practical. The cables between the two would have to be a large size, unless they have worked out a superconductor coupling. This method also forces you to buy two EESU's. I imagine 'EESU 'filling stations' would be set-up much like the home based model except there would be many more EESU's being continously charged at a slow rate. This is not easy to picture in the short term when you look at all the issues to be overcome.

RD

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2008, 09:48:16 AM »
I like the possible idea of  "slow" charging a large super cap at home that can dump charge the vehicle battery in a short amount of time. I know the story did not mention home charging but, someone on here suggest the large cap or caps to slow charge maybe even off-rate times and then used them to quick charge the vehicle.  A lot of good things out there just over the horizon.  I hate to, really hate to say this but, if gas were still 80 cents/gal as it was when I got my license, we would not be thinking of most, if not any, of these things.

Thanks for posting this Hans.

Bill

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2008, 11:03:49 AM »
Anyway,

A supercap with almost infinite number of charging cycles,
which has no problem with deep discharge, built of
pretty non-toxic materials is the killer product.
Even if you think about all non-automotive applications -
think about the resources used to produce & recycle traditional
batteries/accumulators.
Let?s see how long it takes to market - anyway - a real challenge
for the industry. (think about all the money spent on research on
traditional battery/accumulator technology/production facilities)
This tops the energy density of a li-ion battery by 2.5

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2009, 12:58:53 PM »
@ Paul-R

If this is a supercapacitor, then we are back to the problem of what happens
when a fuharged cap is involved in a car crash. The cap instantly discharging
would blow the car to bits.
Paul.

There is only one to put this to rest, make a controlled experiment.

jim

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Re: Drive 500 miles on a 5 minute charge, new form of electrical storage
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2009, 04:26:51 AM »
G'day all,

Received to day an E-mail which said:

 I came across this article on www.cbsnews. com, sounds very interesting,
if they can actually pull it off. I am including the beginning of the
article:
(Page 1 of 2)AUSTIN, Texas, Sept. 4, 2007

(CBS/AP) Millions of inventions pass quietly through the U.S. patent
office each year. Patent No. 7,033,406 did, too, until energy insiders
spotted six words in the filing that sounded like a death knell for the
internal combustion engine.

An Austin-based startup called EEStor promised "technologies for
replacement of electrochemical batteries," meaning a motorist could
plug in a car for five minutes and drive 500 miles roundtrip between
Dallas and Houston without gasoline.


The patent is attached to this post. What do you think of this one?

Hans von Lieven
Hello Yes i can Believe it However as i have Very Powerful Ultralcap rated at 650 Farads at 2.7 volts they use Newer Technology that has an electrolyte in them and can replace Lithium Cells in Electric Cars. Unlike a super cap an ultra cap can be Series and parallel to any Voltage and current . It will take more than 5 Minutes however say 1 hour you can get away with a household charger . the 650 Farad will Peg a 100 amp charger
for 2 minutes to full 2.7 volts and the cables will be HOT !!
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