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Author Topic: What exactly is a Joe Cell?  (Read 4081 times)

Offline Electrodiode

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What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« on: August 05, 2008, 06:59:35 AM »
If this is in the wrong spot please move it.

OK what the heck does a Joe cell do?  From what i have read it has some very interesting claims.  But when i think about it, it just produces hydrogen and that's what the car is running off of.  But if the other claims work it does way more producing more energy once it is charged. So what is exactly a hydrogen generator or a ether absorbing device (once charged).

thanks for your time this has really confused me.

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What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« on: August 05, 2008, 06:59:35 AM »

Offline Shanti

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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2008, 09:23:49 AM »
Well I think how exactly this device works, noone knows, not even Joe. This is obviously also the reason why the replication quote is so low, as you have no idea what factors are important...
It is definitely not a device to run a car on hydrogen!
The simple reason for that is, that the gases produced by the cell will not be used in the engine during ignition. There's no connection from the cell to the inlet of the engine! You just connect the cell to a blind plug on the engine case.
And if the cell is charged you even do not connect it anymore to a power supply to do electrolysis. Only maybe for a minute per day, to make sure, the cell doesn't discharge...

Addition: The work of Wilhelm Reich (orgone accumulator) and especially the cosmogony of Walter Russell shed some light, and have an explanation how this cell works...(actually this "effect" also has already been described by Schauberger in his water-thread experiments [in Implosion No 128 he even writes, that with this principle one could replace gaz with water!])

Additional Addition (an excerpt from Schauberger explaining):

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Das hei?t, fuhr ich fort, dieser Spannungsausfall baut aus Luft z.B. Wasser in sekund?rer Wirkungsfolge auf, wodurch infolge einer etwa 2000-fachen Volums-verkleinerung das "organische" Vakuum, die beste und billigste Zug- oder Aufsogkraft urentsteht.
Mit diesem Spannungstoff-ausfall kann man aber auch Wasser in Luft blitzschnell verwandeln, wodurch der "organische" ?berdruck infolge in diesem Fall etwa die 2000-fache Volums-vermehrung, die beste und billigste Eruptiv = nat?rliche Aufschubkraft urentsteht.

I will try a translation (just roughly):

This means, I continued, this potential-(drop) constructs out of air for example water in a secondary effect, whereas a 2000times volume decrease the "organic" vaccum, the best and cheapest pull or suction-force, will be developed.
But it is also possible with this potential-(drop) to immediately alter water back to air, whereby the resulting "organic" overpressure in this case about the volume increase of 2000times, is the best and cheapest eruptiv=natural pressure force which will be built.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2008, 10:15:10 AM by Shanti »

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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2008, 09:41:15 AM »
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Offline Shanti

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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2008, 01:58:06 PM »
Well to explain it simpler, how I think the cell works:

Tesla already wrote in his autobiography (My Inventions) of an incident which really baffled him. He was out and there were some really heavy rainclouds in the air, but it didn't rain. But as soon as the first lighting stroke happened, it immediately started to rain.

The second important aspect is the work of Wilhelm Reich and his Cloudbusters. Where he showed that it is easily possible to create or dissolve clouds very easily.
And if you once experimented with joe cells and do it correctly, you will immediately see, that if the cell lid is open it will start to change the weather in the vicinity very fast. If you charge it negative (like one does usually do in a joe cell), clouds will disappear. If you charge it positive, clouds will appear.

What does this mean? Well as due to my observations, the clouds disappear because the liquid in the air (cloud) will go to the gaseous state and therefore the clouds disappear. And if you do it the other way, the gaseous water in the air will condese out and clouds will appear.
BTW: The joe cell works much better in dissolving the clouds than in generating, this is due to the geometric configuration of the cell, which is made for negative charging...
Why this works like that is easily explained in the cosmogony of Walter Russell. But it would go too far to describe it here. If you're interested you should get a book of him.

Well what now happens in the car?
The air in the vicinity of the car will become charged so that it can contain more water in the gaseous state. The air then comes into the cylinder. Now already before TDC, the spark plug will fire (joe cells need an advanced firing). Now happens exactly the effect described by Tesla, namely the water will immediately condense out, and a suction force will develop. Then due to the fact, that the engine is still heavily charged, the water and air in the cylinder are now also again charged, so that the water goes back to the gaseous state. This will now develop a pressure force. (this is exactly what Schauberger described).
But due to the fact, that there is always a waste spark in a 4 stroke engine, at the point where the air is pushed again out of the car, a second spark is happening, so that again the water will condense out. Therefore you usually see a white fog coming out of the exhaust, when a car is running on a joe cell. If the whole car is so much charged, that the water in the air again gets charged before its coming out of the exhaust, you would not see any fog...
It actually should be possible to even make a completely closed engine with a joe cell, so that always the same water /air is in the cylinder. then you could also use the second waste spark as an actual also driving spark.
Well, I hope it became clear, what I meant.
And as I said before, this is just my opinion how the cell works...

Offline Electrodiode

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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2008, 05:18:49 PM »
So basically A joe cell is this (http://www.thejoecell.com/sitebuilder/images/water_dropper-478x399.jpg)

I wonder if there way to adapt this to something else besides a engine, a more direct way to generate electricity?
And just to make sure the joe cell you have to keep charged from time to time but it still holds a charged when you take the positive lead off the device? And how come there is no board on the forum for the Joe cells? or did i miss it? Oh and one more thing it sounds to me that the joe cell creates as thunder storm in side the container.  Because there was something i read that you connect the hose to the intake ( the carburetor) and it creates low pressure inside the container and there is build up of electrons.

thanks

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Offline Shanti

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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 05:28:59 PM »
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So basically A joe cell is this

No not really! Schauberger just also observed these effects, when experimenting with the water-thread-apperatus. But the Joe Cell works a bit different. Actually the charging procedure is this apperatus in an upside down version. So instead of the water drops going down, the gasses are going up...
Additionally the Joe Cell has a geometric configuration which really helps (farady cup, inside a faraday cup, inside a faraday cup, ...) and some other features. But I don't wanna go too much into detail...

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And just to make sure the joe cell you have to keep charged from time to time but it still holds a charged when you take the positive lead off the device?

Actually I don't understand this question. Sorry.

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And how come there is no board on the forum for the joe cells? or did i miss it?

Well thats the big Why. I also don't know, why people are not interested in the Joe Cell. It seems they like more to play with some devices, which according to me are merely a waste of time...
But everybody can do, what he likes, so ...

Offline Electrodiode

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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2008, 08:59:36 PM »
@Shanti

Do you have any other information on the device i kinda want to build a prototype.  My main goal is to build a device that pulls energy from the ether or from some unknown force. But it does not matter if one has to charge the device once to give it a jump start. or just charge it from time to time to keep it going. Just as long as the output is enough to reach this goals and does not need a continuous input of energy. My first goal would be to power a bulb then a computer then a house.

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Offline Electrodiode

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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2008, 10:28:57 PM »
Is it the gas the Joe cell gives off that provides the energy or is it something else?


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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2008, 03:47:53 AM »
I may be wrong but   FEELINGS   FAITH    EMOTIONS   BELIEF  ATTITUDE  seem to have something to do with replication Chet

Offline Electrodiode

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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2008, 06:20:06 AM »
The best advice I can recommend is, watch his videos! There is a lot of disinformation online.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5838886797220015378&ei=8cKYSP7UCoP8rQKQya2aCw&q=joe+cell+


i thought it was not a hydrogen generator?

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Offline Shanti

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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2008, 10:16:55 AM »
It is not a hydrogen generator. The electrolysis is only used for charging the water, but you could also do it differently...
Joe first thought it has something to do with the hydrogen produced. Later he realized this is not the case...

Sure there's a lot of disinformation outside, for people do not understand how it works, and then they think it should work, like something they know. Then they have these bs-ideas like connecting the JC to the inlet of the carburator...

But unfortunately, even Joe doesn't really understand the principle behind it. As the Joe cell, as it is used by Joe is not optimal. There are better shapes...

Joe made a lot of experiments and then made some strange theory for himself how this thing works. For me this theory is a bit odd, but everybody how he likes it...
Therefore I personally would more go about the experiments he made, and what results he got, and interpret that for yourself, instead of listening to his theory.

But as I said, this is just my opinion. For some other person it may be ideal, how Joe explains it. I think everybody has a different path to the truth. So dive deep within, and always listen to your inner feelings if you feel (not think) if something someone states is the truth or not.

Addition: Sure if you connect the JC to the carburator, you can have a better MPG. As Schauberger already recognized, when he connected the water-thread-apperatus to a burning gaz-flame, the flame will become much bigger!
But like that you only get a better MPG. If you really want to drive it on the cell alone, it is essential, that nothing burnable is in the cylinder during ignition. Otherwise you can't advance the firing.

And about more details, on how to do it. I can just say, that I already told too much for my gousteau. Seems, like I was a bit in a talkable mood.
The point is, I don't want people having charged Joe Cells around. Why? The impact on the nature around, especially the weather is just too big. Society is not ready in my opinion to really use it in a responsible way...
Believe me, no joke. One Joe Cell can easily change the weather completely in 15-20 minutes within a diameter of 1km and up to a height of at least 10km (it easily completely vanishes the condensation stripes of planes).
This is the reason I stopped my Joe Cell research. And also discharged all my cells...This was really quite a hard thing to do, for they become like lovingly living entities to you, and it is really quite a boost meditating beside some Joe Cells...
(although it may have looked odd to someone else, seeing my shrine encircled by many Joe Cells  ;D)
But I really don't want to interfere with the natural weather pattern...
So now, I'm on researching other FE-Devices, which don't have such an impact on the environment.

Maybe this is also the reason, why people are not interested in the cell. Kind of natural order, which prevents that this invention is used at the current time.

Offline simonmagus

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Re: What exactly is a Joe Cell?
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2008, 01:40:33 PM »
i thought it was not a hydrogen generator?

It is a hydrogen generator mainly and a energy (orgone?) capacitor secondly. There is no other explanation for the explosive and implosive effects besides the element hydrogen. However, there are other interesting qualities he has discovered.

If you watch the videos, you will see how Joe is able to magnify the explosive/implosive quality of the hydrogen by simple charging methods. There is also an example where he lights a spoonful of positive & negatively charged water and it catches fire like alcohol. He also suggested water purification as a possibility due to its ability to separate contaminants.

The Joe cell may have many practical applications and other qualities yet to be discovered.

 

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