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need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« on: September 06, 2007, 07:07:31 AM »
*edit for clarity*

Here is the talk page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:September_11%2C_2001_attacks

I would like to see the evidence that conflicts with the government story on the page.

My suggestion to was not welcome by understatement. I have been banned 3 times for suggesting  references. I had never edited a page jet I just made a suggestion on the talk page.

I was then accused of "soap boxing" while my post was decapitated into a meaningless heap of words with my name under it. Not one of the numerous insults at my address had anything to do with that what I suggested. So I then tried to remove the meaningless words with my own name under them in order to retract my posting. There was no point in arguing with people who create postings under my name. The meaningless chunk of words was then put back on the page and I was banned for soap boxing within the same 30 seconds by the same person.

It's very interesting to complain about some-ones contribution so that he tries to retract it then change his words to your likeings and ban him over this? All I said was that this are valid referrences, then assult me with 15 vs 1 ?? Lets just say I'm an idiot and crazy and a soap boxing person etc etc who cares? ... now what about there referrences?

==no Osama means no Muslims==

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
''Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#_note-56
the FBI says: ''The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden?s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'' thus the word Muslim may only be quoted at best.

==secondary account ==

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770
''Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.''

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/worldwide/story/0,,1864657,00.html
''We don't believe that 19 hijackers and a few others in a cave in Afghanistan pulled this off acting alone," says Jones. "We challenge this official conspiracy theory and, '''by God''', we're going to get to the bottom of this.''

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
''Why the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Won't Go Away''

For this suggestion I was banned! Can you imagine that? So, please help me take back wikipedia before Bush starts recruiting soldiers for his war against Iran. I think it's important enough for you to help me. But maybe you just want to see the fascists editing wikipedia with your own 2 eyes. Just don't forget to call them liars. We don't want their war here. We already allowed them to put half a million Iraqi woman and children in bags. We have to take some responsibility? Help fight those disgusting liars. Our american friends think they are at war with the Muslim communty, wikipedia is the propaganda bottleneck. This is where you can destroy their warmongering effort.

you have my thanks in advance and my best wishes of luck.  ;)

I add an image for referrence, this person clearly says it's not my job but yours. Your opinion is worth so much more to Mr email. Where he says Americans have to accept being lied to he is lieing are you accepting it?

bush hid the evidence, those are the official publications.

Now remember, this topic is not about what happend that day. It's about the have and have not's of official evidence on the page.

Don't make to much effort of it, then they wont stalk you.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2007, 04:07:37 PM by gaby de wilde »

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 07:43:28 AM »

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
''Why the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Won't Go Away''


I think the Time magazine article you cited has a pretty good rundown on why the conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 are dismissed by the mainstream:

"But there's a big problem with Loose Change and with most other conspiracy theories. The more you think about them, the more you realize how much they depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses. (For what it's worth, the National Institute of Standards and Technology has published a fact sheet responding to some of the conspiracy theorists' ideas on its website, www.nist.gov.) The theories prompt small, reasonable questions that demand answers that are just too large and unreasonable to swallow. Granted, the Pentagon crash site looks odd in photographs. But if the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile, then what happened to American Airlines Flight 77? Where did all the real, documented people on it go? Assassinated? Relocated? What about eyewitnesses who saw a plane, not a missile? And what are the chances that an operation of such size--it would surely have involved hundreds of military and civilian personnel--could be carried out without a single leak? Without leaving behind a single piece of evidence hard enough to stand up to scrutiny in a court? People, the feds just aren't that slick. Nobody is."

Really, more than for any other reason, the lack of leaks is what drives it home for me.  There is no way that this whole thing could have happened and not a single person leaked the slightest detail about the plot.  I mean we are not just talking about CIA agents used to keeping secrets.  This would have to involve lots of lower level people.

Also, think about the risk that the government would have to take before undertaking such a plot.  If nothing else, you must admit that politicians always seek to protect their own asses.  Do you really think anyone would risk being implicated in this horrendous crime, and for what?  Money for the oil companies?  No lobbyist could convince a single politician to undertake this crazy venture, no matter how much money is involved.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories are not at all supportable, and therefore have no place in the Wikipedia under the main 9/11 entry.  There is already a separate topic for them at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy

and that is where they belong.

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 08:55:59 AM »

Really, more than for any other reason, the lack of leaks is what drives it home for me.  There is no way that this whole thing could have happened and not a single person leaked the slightest detail about the plot.  I mean we are not just talking about CIA agents used to keeping secrets.  This would have to involve lots of lower level people.

Oh, but just like perpetual motion, you would have to look before you can say what evidence there is or isn't available. You say there are no leaks, but the story is one big leak. There is no good official explanation for the air force standing down? The thing is all the news media is corrupt, we only have wikipedia left. People expect the wiki to tell them the truth but in reality the wiki is even worse as fox news.

But hey? If there is no Osama there are no muslim extreamists?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm
'''''On June 5, 2006''', the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden?s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden?s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, ?The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden?s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.?''

They can only ban me when I suggest FBI sources. They did that 3 times already.
what about victims of the pre collapse explosions in the basement who worked there for many years? Here is one still in the hospital bed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSGZYP--wz0

A youtube video of ABC new like this is not good enough for wikipedia. Meanwhile they use the overdebunked TV testimonial of Osama that was translated by 8 government officials and had no official source. This is the reason for America to attack Muslims where ever they live. Even US Muslims get discriminated over this LIE.

You claim there was no leak but William Rodr?guez RICO actually filled a lawsuit

''In October 2004, William Rodr?guez|Rodr?guez filed a civil RICO lawsuit directed against George W. Bush]], Richard B. Cheney, Donald H. Rumsfeld and others, including a total of 100 defendants, together with Ellen Mariani and lawyer Phil Berg. The government filed a motion to dismiss, or at least transfer, the case on grounds of national security.'' is worthy of it's own paragraph.

You see? They just rejected the case which obviously is not legal.

Furhter more Larry Silverstein earned 4 000 000 000 PER BUILDING in insurance!! He rented it at the beginning of the month.

All the gold and silver stored in the basements (also hundreds of millions but no one knows how much exactly) was shipped out of the building the same morning.

That should be evidence enough for you.

Then the German reverse engineering of the salvaged harddisks showed the banks where also robbed electronically 1 min before controlled demolition.

The buildings spontaneously changed into dust.

And if you cant see an explosion in that, then what about the satellite images showing the 5000 Megawatt afterglow from the Termite emissions?

I don't want a world war, you may think it's all unimportant how much hate Bush can create, I know it's mandatory for his world war to work out. Not before the whole world hates America can Bush start his global war agenda.

Similarities between the Reichstag fire and The September 11 Attacks are as striking as those between the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Patriot act. :-[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire

please go read what the fascists have to say on the wiki.

Every reasonable argument gets deleted.

here you can see at the left what I wrote and at the right what was left after Arthur Rubin deleted everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:September_11%2C_2001_attacks&diff=155962381&oldid=155960688

Am I wasting my time on you or are you going to do something?

Everything I wrote was deleted, there need to be more people writing down the truth here! What am I the only one who likes to hear the truth? You all like to be lied to or something?

:'(
« Last Edit: September 10, 2007, 04:14:09 PM by gaby de wilde »

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 02:53:16 PM »
create a new topic on wiki with "September 11, 2001 true story" instead of trying to change an existing one

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2007, 03:57:44 PM »
Everything I wrote was deleted, there need to be more people writing down the truth here! What am I the only one who likes to hear the truth? You all like to be lied to or something?

Sir, I think you need the extra heavy duty tinfoil, because the regular stuff is clearly not working for you.

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2007, 05:25:51 PM »

And if you cant see an explosion in that, then what about the satellite images showing the 5000 Megawatt afterglow from the Termite emissions?


Darn, those genetically engineered superfarting termites created right under our noses! I bet the feds deny those too.  >:(

Gaby, I'm not sure how many of us have the inclination to drop our tools, forget about providing a solution to the world's energy needs and start blindly following your demands to edit a Wiki.

Surely it is more constructive to reduce the value of oil by providing an alternative. No reliance on oil = no reason for Bush to be interested in the Middle East.

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2007, 05:28:55 PM »
Everything I wrote was deleted, there need to be more people writing down the truth here! What am I the only one who likes to hear the truth? You all like to be lied to or something?

Sir, I think you need the extra heavy duty tinfoil, because the regular stuff is clearly not working for you.

He is using the aluminum foil which does not offer the same protection as tin foil. I think you pointed this out in another thread.
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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2007, 06:58:26 PM »
Hi Gaby and all,
who is in charge of Wikipedia ?
Who rules, what is being posted there ?

I tried a while ago to put a link there into a perpetual motion article to overunity.com and it also was deleted...
So who is in charge of this ?
I think it is a good idea to put the "right" story there.
Is nobody from the alternative underground doing a computer graphics generated movie with "digital actors" to tell the true story, e.g. about the Shanksville cruise missile not being a plane ?

The only thing I still wonder is about, why nobody yet from the demolition team has come forward to tell the truth, but I guess,all people that were involved are much too afraid about it.
Look at the Astronauts, they still deny it until today, that they ever went to the moon, although the evidence is
overwheelming, that they never went there...

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2007, 08:56:35 PM »
Hi guys,

Just my 2 cents.
What about these "Controled" Crash vids?
http://freenrg.info/Controled_Crash/

Best

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2007, 11:26:13 PM »
Hi Gaby and all,
who is in charge of Wikipedia ?
Who rules, what is being posted there ?

If you can quote a mainstream source then it's good enough for wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources

For scientific topics they demand peer review journals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research

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I tried a while ago to put a link there into a perpetual motion article to overunity.com and it also was deleted...
So who is in charge of this ?

The rules make it hard even for the SMOT device to survive, njaudin is just about considered a quack on that page. The administrators are in charge, but they use NWO tactics so most of the moderators are active paid propagandists, handsomely paid that is.

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I think it is a good idea to put the "right" story there.

The rules are "valid sources" what ever that is suppose to mean. Like fox news. That's a valid source, or George Bush that's incredibly credible.

But in reality the company with the most employees gets to delete the most articles. the administrators do nothing ad delete things it seems. You almost cant blame them, wiki software is fun for a small organisation. For wikipedia it's totally unfit.

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Is nobody from the alternative underground doing a computer graphics generated movie with "digital actors" to tell the true story, e.g. about the Shanksville cruise missile not being a plane ?

Not a valid source.

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The only thing I still wonder is about, why nobody yet from the demolition team has come forward to tell the truth

 Marlene Cruz is a pre collapse explosion victim from the basement, here she is still in the hospital. She was one of the first to arrive (obviously)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSGZYP--wz0

This is ABC news it should be a valid source.

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but I guess, all people that were involved are much too afraid about it.

No, they are to nihilistic, they think that what happened to Germany can never happen to them. This while Prescott Bush himself had his properties seized for financing Hitler.  This while under the America nooses they exported mass murder for profit from Vietnam to Iraq. They cant even buy Medicare anymore, it's just ridiculously exploited all the way.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm
'''''On June 5, 2006''', the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden?s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden?s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, ?The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden?s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.?''

That should be more then good enough for wikipedia. But they will find an excuse to complain about you being there if that's what it takes. Your links don't go on the page. The admins keep all controversial topics locked until everyone who disagrees has disappeared. It's a very lame game and they are very good at covering their tracks.

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Look at the Astronauts, they still deny it until today, that they ever went to the moon, although the evidence is overwhelming, that they never went there...

Yes, I specially loved one of the interviews,  both astronauts clamped their heads with both hands from the same questions. Asking more information about specifics made them both angry, but not in a normal way. They would snap in and out of pure anger mode. They have all the signs of brainwashing. Buzz turned from a peoples person into some one who wanted to be alone all day. In Alternative 3  you can already see how he gets angry from asking questions.

If you see 2 people get angry over the same question then you may conclude it's brainwashing. Like: "how did you get that huge rover out of that small box." Both of them said, not to remember exactly how that happened, then got angry.

I guess my wikipedia adventure gave me new insight in how great your forum really is. It looks like a mess but BOY it's so well structured and organised compared to a wiki.

They have long debates about structure of information on wikipedia. That stuff goes all by it self here, the result may not be optimal but at least it works.

I much rather read tin foil head references as having people delete my comments because they disagree. :D

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2007, 11:58:10 PM »
Hartiberlin,

I have thought about why more ppl havent come forward also. But the more I try to put my self in the masterminds shoes, the more things make sense to me. If I was a mastermind coordinating an operation I would keep the operation as compartmentalized as possible. At critical points such as the demolition teams I would put either the most trustworthy people I could imagine or simply have them assasinated shortly after they performed the operation because they know too much. There is nothing new about that strategy. It is used by the Mofia, dictators, and of course our lovely CIA; when you think about it you have to admit it is brilliant provided you are morally bankrupt. 

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2007, 12:33:16 AM »
create a new topic on wiki with "September 11, 2001 true story" instead of trying to change an existing one

You are right, there already are such pages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truther

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Forking
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A content fork is usually an unintentional creation of several separate articles all treating the same subject. A point of view (POV) fork is a content fork deliberately created to avoid neutral point of view guidelines, often to avoid or highlight negative or positive viewpoints or facts. Both content forks and POV forks are undesirable on Wikipedia, as they avoid consensus building and violate one of our most important policies.

So I want the damn real story side by side with the nonsense version.

Then people will start asking all kinds of "BAD" questions.

Like why wasn't building 7 covered in the official report? :o

Why did the air force stand down??? :o

Where did those Hermite reactions come from? :o

How did the jet fuel "destroy" reinforced steel? :o

Why did the building change into dust if there was no effect from gravity?  :o

Why did the US gov commit obstruction of justice? Common! You pretend you know what happened but there was never an investigation. You president was reading a book to a class of little kids.

This is a mainstream publication, where is the boeing?

''Why the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Won't Go Away''
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html|time.com

But today, you have all kinds of hard worked films! You are all spoiled! Here is a good short  film

Ten Questions That Every Intelligent Skeptic Must Answer
this film does in 20 minutes what takes other video 90 minutes or
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5615710732442096687

Then view this

counter to killing civilians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOoJlKGc1ic

Then see this.

ZEITGEIST, The Movie - Official Release - Full Film
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331

Then view this also, then you get a real picture of the shit you are in.

The truth about the Federal Reserve System
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3286459385978771924

then if you still have time view additional civilians get blown away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyuPgkZ5OAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0qs71TYwoM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8zBOr-JioQ

You had your government kill a million civilians. So what do you have to say for yourself?

The most ironic part is that you wont be responsible for very long, soon bush will become dictator of the world. Iraq is just setting an example. Now if you are to stupid to see there are no Muslim terrorists. Then everyone will die globally.  If you continue making jokes about it. Then you will accomplish the exact opposite.

You have real Nazi style concentration camps man!

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm
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What can FEMA do? It can suspend laws. It can move entire populations. It can arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and can hold them without a trial. It can seize property, food supplies, and transportation systems. And it can even suspend the Constitution of the United States.

Similarities between the Reichstag fire and The September 11 Attacks are as striking as those between  the Reichstag Fire Decree and Patriot act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

The only thing missing is the swastika's? I'm sure we will see those pretty soon.  Ok, that should keep you bussy for the rest of the week. You think after Katrina Bush will care about those Nukes Iran will drop on you? He will use that to recrute more troops. It will work much in his advantage. Why do you think you have all those crazy desasters in the first place? It's all to make you belive in government, you really don't need any of it but you are paying for it though the nose.

But you've seen that in the films..... :'(
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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2007, 12:40:23 AM »
Listen to Kay Griggs, and you'll have an idea about how this could be done without anybody telling about it: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=kay+griggs

There are compartments in the military that has their own budget, their own agenda, their own troops and there own ideals about society.

Also, try to make this experiement of thoughts.

A terrorist group is about to blow a nuke in central NY killing 1,000,000 people. You can push a button and neutralize the threat, but will take 1000 civilian lifes also by doing so. Would you push the button if you where 100% sure that you could neutralize the threat? ... of .cause, who wouldn't.
Would you push the button if you where 99% sure? What about 80 or 50%.

To make my point a bit more clear. When you have an agenda to secure your countrys position, military and politically, and you feel the situation is slipping out of your hands, how much are you then willing to risk to fullfill your agenda.

To make my point perfectly clear. I think you could find noumerous of military people (specially seen in the light of Kay Griggs testamony) who would see kililng 3000 civillians as a reasonable sacrifice to secure the political climate.
I actually belive that many of the people involved in the 911 false flag operation think they ultimately are serving their country.

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Re: need help with wikipedia 11 September liars
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2007, 01:25:23 AM »
I actually belive that many of the people involved in the 911 false flag operation think they ultimately are serving their country.

There is nothing to believe here, 99% of the soldiers in Iraq where drafted using 911 propaganda.

There have to be thousands of them, they should all say the same thing.

After figuring out Osama was not even responsible for 911 the terroistmuslim hybrid becomes a very weird enemy.

We have seen zero terrorists but millions and millions of civilians died.

You have a weapon factory? What is your means of advertisement? FEAR perhaps?

You should look up all the US bombings and try to find out what happened to the remains of the buildings.

There seems to be a scientists with questions in every case. In non of the cases are they allowed onto the secret debris dump.

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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2007, 01:40:30 AM »
I have to ask, are you all pulling my leg, or do you really believe in this fake moon landing and 9/11 conspiracy nonsense?  Because, if you are serious, it really paints your overunity research work with a shade of crazy.

 

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