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Author Topic: Burning hho safely for heating / water heating?  (Read 18413 times)

Offline Davetech

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Burning hho safely for heating / water heating?
« on: September 03, 2007, 12:34:27 PM »
Greetings intrepid inventors and experimenters! 

I have recently discovered this forum by way of very interesting tube videos and after reading back-posts for the last three days, I admit I am fascinated by your quest.  I have already whipped up a quick and dirty cell which produced a lot more gas than I actually expected from a single 4" SS pipe-within-a-pipe design @ 12v drawing 2.4 amps.

My question:  Back in April, Stefan started a thread entitled "Building an easy heater from burning H2 + O2" and it did not get too much in the way of answers. I'm quite interested in building one myself. I didn't bump the post because it was so old and many forums get upset when you bump up an old post. So I just decided to ask... if anyone has plans on building such, hopefully with ideas on safety devices as well.

I have a decent little shop out back, with oxy/acetyline, and am retired from electronics repair industry, was a ham radio operator until the internet spoiled it for me... so I'm pretty good with my hands and can fabricate.

Thanks in advance
Davetech


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Re: Burning hho safely for heating / water heating?
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2007, 07:49:00 AM »
G'day Davetech,

Having worked with hydrogen over a number of years (we were using it to melt prescious metals) on a first impression I would say that the flame burns too hot for what you have in mind. After all it is the hottest flame known to man. You would be better off to use air instead of oxygen. Having said that I would be interested to have a talk with you on the subject of dissociating water.

Have a look at my website http://www.keelytech.com where you might find a few things of interest in relation to this, especially as you have some good grounding in RF technology and transmitters and obviously understand resonance.

If you are interested drop me line, my E-mail is on the site.

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Re: Burning hho safely for heating / water heating?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2007, 09:23:07 PM »
Hello Hans,

Thank you for your invitation to your site. I have visited, and spent about four hours slowly and carefully reading about Keely's work and your excellent interpretation of his work. I must admit, I had never heard of the man, but I found his story and possible accomplishments very interesting.

I recommend your site to anyone who is trying to shake hydrogen loose from oxygen by resonant means whether it be electromagnetic or accoustic. It might make new ideas present themselves.

I will be emailing you soon, Hans. I understood most of the underlying ideas, but am foggy on some, and found Keely's own writings largely incomprehensible due to his use of jargon and the scientific terminology being used 125 years ago.

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Re: Burning hho safely for heating / water heating?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2007, 05:45:56 AM »
G'day Davetech,

Thanks for your kind words. I am looking forward to your E-mail

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Re: Burning hho safely for heating / water heating?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2008, 02:26:34 PM »
I have been having similar thoughts on heating water, but only as an easy (hopfully!) or posible demonstration of overunity.

Does anybody know what happens when you run cold water through, for example, a copper pipe that is being heated by a hho torch?

We know how much energy it takes to rase water through one degree. We know how much energy it takes to split HHO with these new techniques. So it should be a fairly straight forward calculation to demostrate overunity is real!

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2008, 02:30:54 PM »
Addendum:

For actually heating water I think I would prefer to use the method outlined in the Equinox 1995 "It runs on water" program.

Where you have a 'water hammer' heating the water.

(Please forgive any spelling mistakes, I am dyslexic)

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Re: Burning hho safely for heating / water heating?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2008, 04:12:58 PM »
For actually heating water I think I would prefer to use the method outlined in the Equinox 1995 "It runs on water" program.

Where you have a 'water hammer' heating the water.

(Please forgive any spelling mistakes, I am dyslexic)
This programme was, I think, about the Stan Meyer 42.8khz
electrolysis of water system, and the water hammer, the basis
for John Worrell Keely's fabulous hydro-vacuo engine. Now, there's
a story.
http://www.svpvril.com/JKMot2.html
Paul.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2008, 06:11:24 PM »
Jim Griggs

Full Equinox broadcast can be found here

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464139837181538044

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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2008, 03:19:05 AM »
I believe one could use HHO for heating if they heated ceramic plates and then used forced air to deliver the heat.  Or retrofit a propane instantaneous hot water heater with ceramic and possibly a few more smaller fuel nozzles fitted along the ceramic reinforced heat exchanger...

This guy is great:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpInHthfD5Y

He's trying to use HHO as a home heater.

Check this guy out: http://hight3ch.com/post/water-fuel-hho-gas/

Keep an eye on this guy too: http://ptbc.tsmservices.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=55&sid=d8611951d6eb5bdc52ce6eded8751773

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2008, 12:31:18 PM »
What fascinates me about these vids is that it 'seems' to burn at the required temperature for whatever it is pointed at.

Copper Bars ( or some fast heat conducting material) placed under the floor with the HHO heating from outside the house with a thermostat switch placed on the bar where required to stop start the HHO flame should do the trick and water the garden at the same time. Is this another use for the Stanley Myers HHO method of production?

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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2008, 03:19:07 PM »
HHO seems to react to material it comes in contact with on a sub atomic level.

Quote from BROWN?S GAS FACTS:

"Brown?s Gas flame temperature changes when it is applied to various materials. The Brown?s Gas flame is about 275 degrees F(135 degrees C) in open air. Without any torch adjustment, applying the flame to aluminum causes the aluminum to heat to 1295 de grees F(702 degrees C). Applied to brick, the temperature reaches 3,100 degrees F. (1704 degrees C) [James, I have seen aluminum welded to aluminum and brick melted with the torch, yet I passed my hand through the flame without any burns! I have the weld ed aluminum sample to show/give you but have forgotten about it.)p.45
Brown?s Gas can cut materials that ordinary torches cannot touch, like iron oxide. Because the Brown?s Gas flame instantly causes the material to raise ITS OWN temperature until it is sufficient to melt or burn itself."

The whole paper here: http://amasci.com/weird/bgf1.html

My own observations include some of the above but ceramics it seems react differently, they just glow cherry red. In the case for a hot water circulating - baseboard heating system, I wondered if an array of HHO jets under a ceramic slab would work as a heat source for a tube heat exchanger.  This way the firing chamber could be separate from the heat exchanger but part of a HHO fired boiler. In the case for a hot air system take away the tube heat exchanger and replace it with a fan.

For hot water on demand, a propane direct vent HWH might be retrofitted to except HHO.  An array of low-voltage 7 to 12 amp, pulse DC current, plain cold tap water as a makeup HHO generation system.   Safe reliable HHO production would need to match the HWH.

Funny property of ceramics  - if you remember the space shuttle is encased with ceramic tiles.  You can place a mapp gass tourch on them till cherry read and hold it in your hand.  Makes me think that heating any ceramics with HHO to cherry red will not produce much if any usable heat transfer.  Has anyone other there fooled around with this concept?

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2008, 11:40:32 AM »
Oldhippi

  The tiles on the space shuttle are not ordinary ceramics. Perhaps a  blend of ceramics and clay even some stone minerals like soap stone formed into tubes to slide over a copper tube would safely conduct the HHO flame heat into the copper heat exchanger.
  One thing that keeps burning my curiosity is why Stan used tubes instead of plates. Each time I look at his rig in a video my intuition tells me he used quartz or some crystal material some how in his spacers between the tubes or has some portion of the interior coated so the surface inside ocilates at high rate giving up all those tiny bubbles so quickly and abundantly instead of larger bubbles.
  The only reason i can think of for tubes is to hide whats in or between them which may make them work the way his do.
  If you watch a video of a Joe cell or plate type cell the bubbles are larger and there is not as much fog. Think about it, you could give up 90% of a design and it be enough to function in replication just not as good. That would leave him with 10% of the design being his own secrete until the check clears. I have never met anyone who worked toward being obsolete at their own expense.

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2008, 04:29:20 AM »
Yep, I know the space shuttle uses a silica fiber compound along with other cute stuff.  Just musing aloud...

I looked at Stans stuff and Joe cell stuff for some time, no I don?t think its hocus-pocus.  I believe it?s a DC low-voltage, current pulse setup.  The HQ stainless steel tubes were electrolyze until a light coat plated the tubes.  I believe he generated Browns gas and then another step unseen into Hydrogen.  The electrical control remains a mystery.  They stumbled on something.  Frequency, pulse, voltage and current?  I bet its right in front of our faces!  Could be Tesla experiments, I don?t know but I am digging.  In my humble option, no one on the planet knew DC or could manipulate electrictricity like Tesla.  If Stan gave his secrets to the world he?d be alive now; can?t kill everyone!  Poor greedy bastard, trying to sell water for fuel!

I was working on a browns gas (HHO)  boiler, steam driven electrical generator.  I was looking to do it with off the shelf parts.  A stationary plant for my home.  The cost stopped me - a little over 19K. Just as much as a whole house solar system.  As I see it, it?s all figured out.  The Nash Equilibrium has screwed us all!

 

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