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Grumpy

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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2007, 05:39:32 AM »
A sad day in the quest for understanding...a very,very sad day.

adds....now this!

Mannix,

I agree.  'Tis a sad day.  What's next?

We all choose our own path - and reap the whirlwind that comes with it...

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@ IS,

Very bad Karma, IS, very bad Karma...

You need money to build a prototype - that may or may not work.  Gonna have to pony up the goods.  People do not buy into "ideas" - they buy into "results".

Top it all off with that possible actions of the opensource community - who may  give the world an energy device for free in the near future - and you have nothing of value.






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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2007, 05:53:00 AM »
@mannix

what is ment by that??

a sad day turned out great

thank you

this is not the tpu nor anything to do with it but im sure you know that. the output from this unit will far exceed the tpu's output as i think

this can also be scaled to any size imaginable and still operate on 1500psi even if the turbine was a 10' circle but the costs are great to build proper for high speed and high output but this is the price you pay for free power  i can also scale it down to a tiny unit  we are our own limit nothing else limits us

william


@grumpy this is far more than idea lol!!!   it was an idea 1.5 years ago now it is reality i have only minor changes to make to my prototype to achive overunity!!!  a picture as it sits right now i have no reason to dubt the builder and inventor of the overunity componment no one has

you all herd of trust? i trust i have not been misled and if it does not work then back to my original that is overunity and i can build im almost finished it too the copper alone i have invested 1000$ in that generator and it still needs more machineing but i wont quit      try me

lets find out if it works my investor would not say yes if he did not have the money to loose he knows the risks but regardless he now owns half of my turbine too just as i said

« Last Edit: September 03, 2007, 06:38:51 AM by innovation_station »

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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2007, 09:51:50 AM »
no, lets not exaggerate, there is not $1000 of copper in the generator in the picture.

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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2007, 11:09:19 AM »

i have only minor changes to make to my prototype to achive overunity!!! 


Oh, well... ::)
These are the ?things that make you go hummm??
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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2007, 01:53:46 PM »
no, lets not exaggerate, there is not $1000 of copper in the generator in the picture.

i did not mean the 1 in that picture 

the n machine 1  there are 4    7.75" x .5 " copper discs and yes i have spent 1000$ on those 4 discs 40lbs of copper plus the machine time to make them round they must still be keyed and more cutouts made but i will build it too and show you all


because i can this is why i do this

@grumpy and mannix

to help this world out is a sad thing to do isint it  for me to keep what i have is a sad thing to do to share with this world is the right thing to do!!!

i have chosen the right thing to do                 insted of  wealth and greed

i share as i have with all of my ideas and inventions and i will continue to do so

isteam!!                                               OPENSOURCE thats what it is all about





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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2007, 02:58:36 PM »

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i share as i have with all of my ideas and inventions and i will continue to do so

isteam!!                                               OPENSOURCE thats what it is all about



I confess, I'm completely confused.... Can you clarify, didn't you just say that one part of your machine, the overunity part, will have to be paid for?

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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2007, 04:26:39 PM »
yes that is correct it is not my work so i will not give it away YOU MUST BUY THIS PART IS THE ONLY WAY!! build the rest buy the proper part form me at a low cost the lowest it can be built for   unless you have an overunity componmenet that you want to release to the world for free

yea i didnt think so

ist

if this is not good enough for some here then i guess you must waite for the next guy to come along and give you all what you want!!

or figure it out on your own or go build a tpu  :o
« Last Edit: September 03, 2007, 04:47:19 PM by innovation_station »

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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2007, 04:54:16 PM »
as soon as i compleate it there will be a video on here showing the output

i am building a pair of componments and will do tests on them to make sure beond a dubt they are overunity i know they are but seeing is beleaving

so all of you keep your money  i will show you then get your money ready

and prepair to be set free from the big moneyies that control us!! well our power any ways


william  a joke this is not!!


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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2007, 05:02:26 PM »
So, let me get this straight.

This is not your work.  Judging by the walls in that picture - very nice wood - looks like cherry - way more expensive than drywall - that is not your home and not your pictures. 

So, you have pictures of someone elses device and some knowledge of how it works, but you have not built one.  At the same time you claim there is another part not shown that makes it OU, which you can make and will sell but not share even though it is not your invention.

So, boiling it all down, by some twist of fate you have acquired someone's technology and now wish to profit from it, and at the same time preach about "open source".

Suppose the person that developed this decides that you won't profit from it and releases it to the world?  Even anonymously, the impact would be great.

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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2007, 05:12:54 PM »
@innovation-station

I am also confused.

Please understand that when you disclose your device, it is better to disclose everything, all parts and functions. People then should have the option to try and make it all themselves, or to purchase the whole system from you or to purchase any sensitive parts from you. Whatever. But when you disclose, you should disclose everything.

Please also understand this. You will not be able to control worldwide what happens to your device. Some people may build it and sell it to others, others may build it and use it themselves, while others may buy everything or major parts from you. This is part of the process and trying to control the whole worlds actions will only drive you crazy and make you spend energies where they are not useful.

Please also note that if the "secret part" remains a secret, then your disclosure will not work. What I was saying before is this and I repeat.

If you elect to go open source, you should disclose the complete device and its total workings. This is the only way. Now in this disclosure, if it comprises a part or parts that are not easily manufactured by people because of technical or capital equipment that is required to make the component, then you can sell the component or all the parts unassembled, or assembled. But the important thing is to divulge the complete system and all the parts and let the world decide how to propagate its usage. Economics will decide this. But please know that anyone making your device will not want to do so if there is a secret component that puts the user out of total control of the device. What happens should you decide to stop making the components or provide replacement parts?

The idea behind Open Source is to remove the burden off the shoulders of the inventor and let the world handle the economics of propagation.

Now if you feel some people in the world will steal your device and make millions with it, I can only say that regardless of what you do, how you protect yourself, if someone wants to really do it, they will. Why fight it. Just leave it be. It will then be their responsibility to provide the servicing and parts to their users and if they fail, they will feel their users wrath.

Yes I am repeating, but I think you are not understanding this.

Also, I saw a picture, I can't remember in which thread, of your copper wheels, You are right to say that those are definitely very expensive.

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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2007, 05:21:45 PM »
I have seen that maple leaf somewhere else.

I'll see if I can find it.

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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2007, 05:22:19 PM »
Wattsup,

Perhaps you have implied this in your posts, but I don't think so. It is worth making a distinct point about it, as folks tend to assume "all is well" and overlook the all-important COP measurements.

First and foremost, there is no point in disclosing anything, be it open source or not, unless the discloser can demonstrate without a doubt, that what he intends on disclosing exhibits COP>1.

Darren

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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2007, 05:23:49 PM »
grumpy

yes all you see in those pictures is all my work  no the walls are not cherry lol  it is pine stained red run on a 45 deg i work construction and have for 10 years so yes that on the walLs all my work too

the unit that makes it possible IS NOT MY WORK  i have consent to use it for profit but when profit comes i must pay for it ok

it was my choise to make this so you all can build it except the ou part but this does not have to be done only this way overunity can be achived a number of ways with the setup i posted

come on guys most of you worked on the tpu this aint that hard  ask your self why it will work and what must i do to make it work??

it aint that hard

i  really hope he does make it public cuz then you can build it all and i wont have to for you eather way the goal is to get this out there for all as soon as i can "they" have taken enough money from us over time for what tesla wanted to be free

and now teslas dream is reality

FREE POWER FOR ALL

william 


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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2007, 05:30:10 PM »
I CAN NOT RELEASE HIS WORK  PEROID!!!!!!!!

GET IT

AND I WILL NOT

IF IT WAS MY WORK YES I WOULD GIVE IT TO YOU

BUT WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND THAT WAS IT NOT TO GIVE THIS OUT

OK

WILLIAM  if you really want to understand it study the bill muller motor generator and how he achives ou it is the same thing only easyer

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Re: The Innovation Station seeks investors/partners
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2007, 05:40:38 PM »
It sounds and looks like the drive mechanism is via air-drive inside the canuck-rotor chamber.

Does the missing part go in there, or on the generator section?

Is the ou mechanism then from the air-drive, or the generator, or a combination of both?

Darren