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Offline ashtweth_nihilisti

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2008, 11:07:36 AM »
Guys i got some interesting info from Joel, it will be in the new MRA document on the uni site shortly.
Now that i have made a point about skeptics, and those not building this.

We found we cold light up 8 LED's normal brightness - They are typically rated for 15-20mA typical
Here are the specs as we ALREADY mentioned in the video.

got http://www.jaycar.com.au/ put on on top left.
CAT. NO. ZD0150

This is very encouraging so we are onto the other tests, one suggested we try using a C MOS chip for an oscillator circuit. They will run at
less then 2ma with no load on the output, as part of a looped MRA.

More test to come.

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2008, 11:07:36 AM »

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2008, 04:51:20 PM »
Hmm... I also don't see why you do feel the need to type
several posts repeating that you're not going to give any
clear info and that all info was already given in the video...
You would have been much easier off simply stating the
measurement data from the video. After all, it's your video,
you know your own data. Once would have been enough.
But now you chose to post several messages repeating that
you're not going to do that. Which cost you more effort.

Also, why do you feel the need to use such an unfriendly tone?
Nobody here attacked you nor was anyone here unfriendly to you.
A more civil tone would be nice.

Anyway, to get back to your experiment, are you absolutely sure
you're getting constant DC out?
I mean, there is such a thing as the Joule Thief and that simple
little circuit can light a white LED to full brightness from a
"dead" 1,5V source battery. LED won't light when you connect
it normally, way too little voltage and current. But when you
connect it via the JT circuit, it lights up to full brightness.
Even though the battery can never power the LED directly.
Are you very certain that your LEDs aren't lighting up
due to a similar trick?
Main point, in case you missed it, is that lighting a bunch of LEDs
from a source that does not put out enough DC to actually
light them up at all, has been achieved by using Joule Thief
and similar circuits, and that does not mean there is any OU in
those circuits. It's just smart switching.
So assuming that LEDs only light up when the DC output has been
amplified by OU means is not automatically correct: the LEDs may
also light up when a non-OU Joule Thief like trick is used.

With high frequency switching, it seems to me that might still be
a possibility here.

And obviously lighting up 8 LEDs with the input energy that should
only suffice to light up one single LED is 7 LEDs gain. :)
So yeah, you're getting more light out. Not necessarily more DC,
but more light, yes, I'll believe that. :)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it is impossible that you're
actually getting real OU from it, I'm just saying that you don't seem
to have considered the Joule Thief view in your assessment that more
LEDs must mean more DC output.


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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2008, 11:09:20 PM »
Hi all  ;D i'm new to this thread but i thought i'd interject some data - ive done similar experiments along the reasonance princple in coils etc.
   once i had a setup that was basically an output from my pc soundcard (sblive5.1) with bass reduced right down and treble 85%, master and wave about 95% using tone generator software, i put the stereo live together to make mono and grounds together this is also the main ground - i wrapped a basic primary(ring) coil about 2 inch diameter 26 gauge(100 turns) then a secondary, same diameter, gauge but 60 turns instead. the soundcard output went straight into the primary coil and the secondary coil rested exactly flat over the top of it. The secandary coil then went into a 'charge pump/free electric from thin air' circuit. i realised it wasnt a pure clean signal but got some interesting results just from that simple setup, this was using cheap analgue meter using 15khz sine i got about 4 volts at 30 milliamps from soundcard directly (straight over the ground and live) and my output from the 'charge pump' circuit 21 volts dc and 45 ac @ 50 milliamps? . i had about 50 blue leds about so i tested the soundcard directly - in series it lit two only quite brightly though ( that correlates to led op voltage), i did at least 8 in series from my secondary and added more to them in parallel - all not quite full brightness but dam close. using a standard transformer added to this i have seen 350/400 volts ac - i put a 400 volt cap in parallel at the 350/400ac output waited about 5 seconds and it would just make  enough juice to flicker a cfl for a few seconds! - just been reading this thread and might go back to the previous work - by the way that 'charge pump/free electric from thin air circuit' is very handy simple thing to have about not just for this.

hope i havent bored anyone too much, keep the work going and getting hands dirty guys - stick to the path, beware the moors, remember the alamo! and free that energy!

p.s. aka - eel  ;)

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2008, 11:09:20 PM »
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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2008, 11:52:37 PM »
Here is some interesting MRA "data":
http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/mra/mra.txt

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Conclusion

Based on the results of our experimentation and analysis we find
that the MRA device provided by McClain and Wooten does not
produce over-unity-efficiency results.  The MRA circuit behaves
instead as one would expect of a loaded transformer with a series
capacitor in the primary circuit.  When the MRA is detuned from
resonance to frequencies slightly below resonance, the observed
changes may give the impression that the MRA then draws unusually
little power from the source while nonetheless maintaining a
healthy output. This impression is false.  True power
measurements show that the MRA continues to draw about twice as
much power from the source as it delivers to the load.

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2008, 12:20:12 AM »
Hi Grumpy and truth finder, thanks for the input, you can find updated info (such as what you posted) in the panacea university MRA document. Just ignore post like those above you for the time being, they will soon be deleted and only replicators or information will be allowed , or this thread will be deleted and ill send you the the location where you can monitor results.

Ash

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2008, 12:20:12 AM »
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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2008, 12:33:59 AM »
this one?

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Magnetic%20Resonant%20Amplifier.pdf

EDIT:

http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/1mra.htm#evalu

Not trying to derail your efforts, but the analysis by Puthoff is technically clear and he is considered very technically competent - perhaps even an expert in the field.  Do you think that he missed something?

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2008, 01:14:53 AM »
That is the one. U haven't been reading, the way is to BUILD THIS YOUR SELF, and not listen to any one you don't know is a trusted source.
The next post like this, this thread is shut down.

I dnt care for doubt
I dont care for skeptics
I dont care for the stupid LED posts here

In fact, I am not going to get suckered in this time, i asked to keep this thread clean with technical results and replications, and it has not gone this way.
END of THREAD. For the genuine research, you can contact me for the further testing results.

Ashtweth (4th December)
PS, i dont use my PM here you may use my email or find the test results on other forums where the information will be better).

Ash


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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2008, 02:45:27 AM »
Lastly, for the genuine researcher, i suggested reading the MRA document your self and building this your self, (before posting) and that our test were enough for us to move onto the DC in and out measurements.
Here is new information which has come to light on the Hal situation given to me by Norm, even tho there is enough posted in the panacea uni doc for those with no knowledge to not have to make these skeptic posts. So i suggest to please read first.

Here is a sample,

"I don't think this document made it through because I forgot that EVGray Group does not allow attachments.  So here goes.  Norm
This MRA and experiment was very difficult for Hal Puthoff to explain.  He claimed that we were "slipping potential" past the tiny
grain of wheat bulb while driving the MRA.  DUH!!!   The whole premise of the MRA is that it is a "potential" driven device, requiring
practically no current when in "ultra high Q" resonance region of the "Universal Resonance Curve".   This was the most dramatic
demo that I made with the MRA.  Tom Bearden was over whelmed when he saw it.  Oh! by the way, Joel and I personnaly visited
Tom Bearden at his home in Huntsville, AL and gave him a working MRA long befroe he built the MEG Device.  Have fun.  Norm"

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img044lc8.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img045xi6.jpg

Due to not being able to prevent these type of posts, the results will be posted in other threads Still, i hope you understand why, its too much to keep up with.

Ash

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2008, 02:49:04 AM »
That is the one. U haven't been reading, the way is to BUILD THIS YOUR SELF, and not listen to any one you don't know is a trusted source.
The next post like this, this thread is shut down.

I dnt care for doubt
I dont care for skeptics
I dont care for the stupid LED posts here

In fact, I am not going to get suckered in this time, i asked to keep this thread clean with technical results and replications, and it has not gone this way.
END of THREAD. For the genuine research, you can contact me for the further testing results.

Ashtweth (4th December)
PS, i dont use my PM here you may use my email or find the test results on other forums where the information will be better).

Ash

The MRA has been around a long time now, Ash.  That old horse has been beaten to dust and used for fertilizer. 

Hal is a respected researcher and analyst, you are a fool to just ignore his results.   He explains the errors in measurement and reasoning - you would do yourself a great justice by studying his results so you do not fall into the same trap.

Can you refute Hal's analysis?

If you ever hope to construct a working device, you have to take the good with the bad.  Most of the crap out there is just that - crap - worthless BS that will never work.

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2008, 02:50:56 AM »
Grumpy, read the post above me. And this is the end of this thread.
I wont be answering this thread any more. Other know where to find me and the results.

Ash

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2008, 05:23:17 AM »
Grumpy, read the post above me. And this is the end of this thread.
I wont be answering this thread any more. Other know where to find me and the results.

Ash

Good luck in your endeavors.  If you have OU that is not in a usable form - what good is it?  Determine why it works at all, and build from that point.  Don't spend a lifetime trying to make the unusable into the usable.

Thread is closed and the bar is open...  ;D

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2008, 05:25:34 AM »
If i was you, would spend a little less time being an ARM chair person, and stop preventing real results form being produced. Lugging the board. Heed your own advice mate.
This site is over run with crap like this. 

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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2008, 05:42:03 AM »
If i was you, would spend a little less time being an ARM chair person, and stop preventing real results form being produced. Lugging the board. Heed your own advice mate.
This site is over run with crap like this. 

I spend enough time at the bench and at the library to see the MRA for what it is - a waste of time. 

You can do better with two parallel wound solenoid coils, pulse both at resonance with a phase shift on one but not the other.  You can also do better with a closed magnetic polarization current circuit, but only one person has pulled that off and he ain't talkin'.  You can even do better with a HV tranny, spark gap (quenched) and a coil with very high self-induction.

Like I said - understand "why it works at all" and start with that knowledge - don't follow the same path with the same end.

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2008, 05:43:31 AM »
@Grumpy

LOL...."If you have OU that is not in a usable form - what good is it?" are you kidding  ??? If there was at least one proven by replication OU device that recharged itself let alone SPARE ENERGY I would welcome it  ;D no matter how far fetched it sounds!

Regards,
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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2008, 05:50:44 AM »
@Grumpy

LOL...."If you have OU that is not in a usable form - what good is it?" are you kidding  ??? If there was at least one proven by replication OU device that recharged itself let alone SPARE ENERGY I would welcome it  ;D no matter how far fetched it sounds!

Regards,
Paul

What I mean is that spurious oscillations are not easy to use for our purposes.  The devices we wish to power require ordered inputs - DC or AC at a particular frequency. 

Ash is working on this, so let's leave him to it.

 

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