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MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« on: August 29, 2007, 07:52:29 AM »
Reference to the device
www.rexresearch.com/mra/1mra.htm
www.rexresearch.com/hodomra/1hodomra.htm

Have there ever been any replications By any engineers here?
There is also a similar Acoustic Patent listed here
http://www.panaceauniversity.org

And here
http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/5568005.htm

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MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« on: August 29, 2007, 07:52:29 AM »

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 06:00:07 AM »
I hope the Patent office has a nice Christmas, as things might not be
so merry there next year. AHEM. I'll be adding these results and
example of this case to this page.
http://panacea-bocaf.org/patentoffice.htm
(refresh page)

Norm's testimony of this can be found on his page.
http://panacea-bocaf.org/mraevgray.htm
(refresh page)

Thanks to Joel and Norm we finally got the circuit working.
It is one hope that the none profit org can get some
remuneration for Norm and Joel. They have been through enough.

Now, back to the shop and circuits, here are all the values, and here
is a SHORT video, ill be adding it in the suppression video with full
example and script. I think your gonna like the numbers.

Here they are:
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mracalculationsdo1.jpg

Guys, if we can get it working, YOU CAN. I am interested in
reconciliation of Norms case, and helping this circuit get known (none
profit). I am sure you guys are going to have fun with this and will
help Norm and Joel if you replicate it. If so please send it to us/Ash.

Now request for tests etc, send them to me (Ash), Norm was so kind he
sent us 2, Andrew (panacea engineer) had an idea that we can get more
out put by stepping down the voltage of the secondary to to increase
the current out put into the LEDS. Should be able to light them all,
just a theory comments welcome.

I think you guys are going to have fun with the input and out put
numbers. Try adding a 1.5 watt amplifier and have fun and play safe.
=). The fun i am gonna have is with the patent office hohohohoho.

A little festive.
Thanks to Norm and Joel.

Here is the Video (Andrew and i are talking)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8883763398014318356&hl=en
You tube coming, for those subscribed to the channel it will be there soon

This will be moved up from a research paper to a COURSE now on the
Updates of the doc coming, its on the open source engineers university
site. If you have not been there lately, i just want to emphasize this.

"The following manuals have been compiled by the open source energy
community. Open source engineering is all about research and
development, sharing ideas and achievements, using each other's
experiences as our own stepping stones and to move forward as a group.
Each of us provides encouragement and appreciation for open sharing
and participates in a collective non profit effort to bring neglected
and suppressed technologies into public hands. We work on no Budget."
- http://www.panaceauniversity.org/

Also your name email and country on this page will help get more
momentum into reform of the patent office.
http://panacea-bocaf.org/patentoffice.htm

More tests coming guys...RV/TV and MRA too.
Energy in equals energy out :P


Ash


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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2008, 07:27:45 AM »
i think the COP is 6. We could light up more LED's for
the same power. Was just a short and sweet proof of principle.

Thing to do now is to create a power source that doesn't need to
energize the Signal Gen. It takes more power to energize the signal
gen , 240V at 50hertz going in then it gets stepped down to +/- 24volt
DC to then putts out .04 of a watt to create the signal.
We get then .252 watts out (could light up more LEDS on .04).

Most people want to see it looped before they credit Norm and Joel
with over unity, i couldn't really care for that, Norm and Joel are
awesome, AND its an efficient sound to power device that has many
applications .

We might mess around with an IMHOTEP power supply in, or inverter to
run the signal gen and loop it back that way.

MRA=Resonance
RV = Resonance
TV= Resonance

One can be extract so can the other. HOW is a good question, maybe the
MRA will help us simplify.

Ash

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2008, 02:58:41 PM »
You're pretty smart fellow. Do you know how to use an oscilloscope?

If so, please repeat the exact same experiment using the scope to monitor the input and output waveforms. You may be surprised.

But I won't be.

(You may be interested in
http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/mra/mra.txt
and
http://www.earthtech.org/publications/AIAA-2006-4909-871.pdf)


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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 10:08:21 AM »
I am not interested in those. I am interested in DC in and DC out. There is a bridge, the out put is DC. Once i get the input into DC then ill be using a resistor.
please read and perform the experiment your self. i am not here to talk to skeptics thanks.

Ps - I got this from Norm the inventor

Ash

------------------------------

Great work Ash, We used step down ratios to create more current in the
sec. as you have suggested. Keep the Phi ratio in mind
when winding the magnet. The final MRA documented for the patent office
was 256:1 COP. I had a complete 12V battery
powered MRA so that I could compare DC input tp DC output. This
included 12V battery, 12V sig gen, 12V power amp,
MRA, rectifier bridge and DC resistive load. I got very close to
achieving a loop situation. The only draw back was the idle
current draw of the driving amp. I was trying to build a MOSFET power
amp, low wattage that had very little idle current draw.
I guess this is a class D amp? Thanks a million for your
efforts. Congratulations on your success. Norm
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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 02:55:02 PM »
@ashtweth_nihilisti:

So you say you are building or have built a MRA that works,
as in hat it produces over unity?
But it is not looped yet, if I understand...? Or was that the
version by the other guys that wasn't looped yet?

Anyway, it is interesting to hear that, since Hal Puthoff
(if I recall correctly) replicated the MRA experiment
and was able to achieve exactly the claimed 500%
efficiency as was calculated by the inventor(s)...
And then Puthoff showed how that is a calculation error
and how proper calculation shows the true efficiency
at 85% or so...
I can't find the original source where I read this,
but there is a brief summary of the same on
http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/1mra.htm#evalu
in case you wish to check it.

I'm not saying it is impossible that you got an MRA
to work and produce OU, and I'm not saying Puthoff
necessarily proved that the MRA principle can't work.
What I am saying is that Puthoffs analysis seems to be
in order and seems to disprove the MRA claims,
and so it is very interesting that you claim to have been
able to get real OU from an MRA where Puthoff failed. :)

Then again you do say that your aim is DC in and DC out,
and if I am not mistaken that was not exactly what Puthoff
did... So there might be some funky effect that he missed. ;)

Can you please describe your setup in detail some more,
or give some more links to usefull resources?

Thanks, and good luck with your experiments and development :)

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2008, 05:26:17 PM »
Koen wrote:
"I can't find the original source where I read this,
but there is a brief summary of the same on
http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/1mra.htm#evalu
in case you wish to check it."

You might just want to check out the links I posted, in the fourth post in this thread.

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2008, 12:52:11 AM »
I am not interested in skeptics who build nothing to prove it to them self's. And of those who are not thorough in their methods. Just cause Hal did this and i did that, i dont care for that either. And If you read the posts i made you see your question is not needed - i stated

".04 of a watt to create the signal. We get then .252 watts out (could light up more LEDS on .04)."  I already stated the aim is to make a source of DC, before even thinking about it. There usually is allot of babel in these threads, just a heads up that its not going to go on in here. Some one might even make me the Mod in this thread, then all these type of posts will be removed. Read what i stated, there is none of these type of  questions needed on my part till i post results.  Plus , i better know you if you reproduce this device, as if i don't you could be any one, and  i don't trust "anyone". AND i may not take your testimony over mine. Just giving a heads up to my friends here who know who they are.

You may find replication data on the panacea university site.

I do not care for looping, until I find out every thing from the energy being transformed, ie, some state it will kill the dipole (Beardon), some say its a counter gyro movement (Joseph Newman) .I am more interested in a DC measurement in and out at this stage. As i already mentioned, read the posts, dont repeat a question that's not needed, i want this thread to be informative, you have to do that here some times. Plus this is a great application as is. We will be building it to maybe charge batteries from a square wave mosfet circuit.

Ash



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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 01:57:48 AM »
Guys, here is another post from Norm Wootan.

The "weird effects" included such things as building a very powerful
standing wave, probably columnar that would suddenly collapse is you
unloaded the MRA while under power at resonance. Many times Joel had
all the light bulbs blow out the filaments although they were turned
off at the time. The filaments would break away at one post in the bulb
and spin violently around in the bulb scraping away the phosphor coating.
These MRA's were being driven with audio paging amps at 70V output. The
line input was being monitored all the time and it was found that
the line input current to the amp would fall below idle current draw
when the MRA was fine tuned to peak power output (resonance) See following.

>
> Tuning procedures used on the MRA
>
> Attached are three oscilloscope photographs, circuit diagram (series
> resonant MRA circuit) and a resonant curve for a series resonant
> circuit which depicts the region of operation that we seek to find.
> This document will describe the tuning procedures used to bring the
> resonating circuit into that lossless ultra high "Q" region slightly
> on the right side of the resonant peak. Keep in mind that we are
> tuning a series resonant circuit which produces a slight reactive
> component (current lagging) when tuned to the immediate right side of
> the resonant curve. This tuned position provides us an almost
> infinite impedance in the input side of our circuit.
> To reach this finely tuned, ideal resonant condition it is first
> necessary to find that resonant condition shown in oscilloscope photo
> #1. This photo depicts a net capacitive condition with the current
> clearly leading the voltage traces. The next step is to tune through
> the resonant peak to find a condition of net reactive which shows a
> current lagging scope trace as shown in photo #2. Now we tune ever so
> slightly down in frequency to approach that infinite "Q" sweet spot
> which lies just to the right of the resonant peak providing an almost
> infinite impedance in our primary which also brings the current and
> voltage into a very favorable power factor which yields the maximum
> gain possible as depicted in photo #3.
>
> Norm

The MRA will not work if the magnet is cold. Ambient temp of about 70
degrees F. and a warm up run for an hour below resonant conditions
proved to be most effective. I believe that the
MRA has to have time to build an "aetheric field" around itself in the
form of a standing wave. The very low powered MRA such as the one Ash
is running will work as soon as you start it up.
The high powered MRA. (audio amp driven) have to be brought up to fine
tuned resonance over a period of time to condition everything. The
destructive spike that took out the light bulbs
manifest in the neutral side of the house wiring circuit. Really weird
to see the effect. The MRA output follows the position of the sun and
moon so there is some sork of gravity effect which
Greg Hodowanec describes in his work with earth gravity fields. See REX
Research files on Greg's experiments with the MRA.

The following "grain of wheat" test of the MRA input was the most
difficult evidence for Hal Puthoff to explain.
In Joel's own words.
Norm,

Now that they have it running, tell them to put one tiny grain-of-wheat
bulb in the input, and some larger bulbs on the output load. That is
what we showed to Tom Bearden, and he made that famous comment, "There's
no doubt in my military mind that this is an overunity device".

Joel

As far as gravity effects, we did measure changes in piezo weight after
running at resonance with a gain back to normal
after turning off the MRA. Same effect as the famous Nieper Ring circuit.


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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2008, 04:07:39 AM »
I am not interested in skeptics who build nothing to prove it to them self's. And of those who are not thorough in their methods. Just cause Hal did this and i did that, i dont care for that either. And If you read the posts i made you see your question is not needed - i stated

".04 of a watt to create the signal. We get then .252 watts out (could light up more LEDS on .04)."  I already stated the aim is to make a source of DC, before even thinking about it. There usually is allot of babel in these threads, just a heads up that its not going to go on in here. Some one might even make me the Mod in this thread, then all these type of posts will be removed. Read what i stated, there is none of these type of  questions needed on my part till i post results.  Plus , i better know you if you reproduce this device, as if i don't you could be any one, and  i don't trust "anyone". AND i may not take your testimony over mine. Just giving a heads up to my friends here who know who they are.

You may find replication data on the panacea university site.

I do not care for looping, until I find out every thing from the energy being transformed, ie, some state it will kill the dipole (Beardon), some say its a counter gyro movement (Joseph Newman) .I am more interested in a DC measurement in and out at this stage. As i already mentioned, read the posts, dont repeat a question that's not needed, i want this thread to be informative, you have to do that here some times. Plus this is a great application as is. We will be building it to maybe charge batteries from a square wave mosfet circuit.

Ash


"Woooohhh, careful with that noose batman!"

"not thorough in their methods" ?

Not taking any measurements at all such as simple Vin Vout, Iin, Iout, ARE basic measurements that DO put you in the realm of scientific/thorough methods. NOT doing so automatically precludes you from it.

So you guys "guessed/estimated" the current and voltage for each LED? Did you know that you can light a typical LED to decent brightness with as little as 7mA or so? Did you know that the LED voltage drop can be anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5 volts? How can you know what to base your calculations on if you didn't measure either? Why are you guessing?

I like the MRA and the hope it brings to OU (always have), but I'm stupefied that grandiose claims are being made about it based on guesstimates and assumptions.

I really doubt Stefan will allow you to censor this thread, because I'm pretty sure he will have similar questions for you guys.

What's wrong with taking a few simple measurements?

.99


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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2008, 04:20:19 AM »
It is about censoring ridiculous posts which have already been answered.  like yours. We understand DC in and Dc out for real power and this is where we will be going down the track. already posted.  The next one by you,. will mean you will have to find the reports in other forums, i know how this thing goes here, there are too many dis info and stupid posts here that lug the board. yours is one of them. I suggest you go back and read the start, and study the video.  I do this to stop time being wasted, we understand power in and out and you guys should go build this and prove it to your selves, not ask me stupid questions, or recite other skeptics.

Stefan may let me mod to report the measurements and developments in this thread, or he may not, either way, i wont be victim to spam and other things here.
and the info will reach every one. Happy testing or. Happy searching for the reports.

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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2008, 04:35:28 AM »
What reports are you referring to Ash...the ones at Rexresearch etc.?

If so, I am not interested in those reports. This thread and my response is about YOUR replication of the MRA, YOUR results, and YOUR measurements etc.

Please name one thing that is ridiculous as stated in my response.

You also haven't answered a single question.

btw, I did study your video, and that is why I posted a response. I (and I'm sure the majority of this thread's readers) would appreciate a civil and rational response to the questions.

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2008, 04:58:18 AM »
poynt99, Ill cut you some slack here, but not again. We showed on the Video what the rating's of the LED's were, in fact we lit up 8 of them after wards. Plus we stated we are moving onto DC, in and out.
DC source and DC out in2 a resistor. But i have had to answer 3 of your posts with a redundant answer. Please study and read properly.  I wont be answering arm chair requests (this is an R and D forum) or skeptic incredulous assumptions. In fact you prob better waiting for our reports in the newsletter.

If not, built it and test it, the LED's were enough for us to move on, if not for you. good luck and please don't spam this thread(same as the other user there). If you have any genuine RELATIVE Q's, i am happy to answer them. No need to repeat what you said.

thanks
Ash


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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2008, 05:32:16 AM »
Ash,

I've asked a couple of the most RELEVANT question's already, but as of yet there were no direct answers. I have no more, and IMHO, no more are really necessary before moving on to any others.

Anyway, no need to respond to this thanks, your message is loud and clear now, no need to repeat more of the same.

I'll bow out and let some others take a stab at getting some useful information about why you did things the way you did etc,.as I and my predecessors have already.

Stefan, feel free to chime in  ;)

Cheerios,
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Re: MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2008, 05:39:34 AM »
All your Q's were answered in the Video and in the posts. from us showing what the LED's were rated at,(minimum brightness specs) to us lighting up 8, to us now moving onto a DC in and DC out. We showed every thing as it is. Good luck with your other projects. Thank you for not spamming this thread.It will serve as a warning for others to do the experiments themselves.

Ash


 

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