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Author Topic: Rotational PMM by wizkycho  (Read 60536 times)

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2005, 09:15:00 PM »
Ok, this is allready cheaper.
Before ordering, we should specify some details about the design itself. What type of steel are we using? Silicone Steel? From where can you get it and how to manipulate for our needs?
How will you apply the whole system? I'm afraid we forgot something. The whole idea seems so "easy" that i cannot imagine anybody tried it before us...

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2005, 09:15:00 PM »

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2005, 04:54:09 AM »
You right again, ooandioo.
Listen nobody, just try and try.
Sorry, I tried to "prove" something. It never work. I remember myself, when I thought my ideas best of all and was very angry, when some "bad" guys tried to open my eyes...till did it myself and proved my wrong.
So try. Even if it won't work (no doubt, system's closed), you'll get experience.
Good luck.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2005, 10:29:40 AM »
Ok, this is allready cheaper.
Before ordering, we should specify some details about the design itself. What type of steel are we using? Silicone Steel? From where can you get it and how to manipulate for our needs?
How will you apply the whole system? I'm afraid we forgot something. The whole idea seems so "easy" that i cannot imagine anybody tried it before us...

-- Andi

the chenees manufacturer actally adds 135USD express freight to a price of magnet so the complete price for
N40 magnet is Total Sum: USD 223.95 which is about a price that your manufacturer offers (but for 5 and more pieces).

Knowone has tested this device - I have conducted some additional Femm analysis and the more I think of it the more it works. The device is not that simple to construct - we have two rotors that are not connected in any way.It would need two bearings per rotor so the shaft is centered at all times.
You can get silicon iron from allmost any manufacturer of transformers. You will get thin sheets and that is what is needed - so will be able to slowly thickens the shield till we get proper small attraction/distance ratio.

The device is allso not that simple to understand (first look). See what Light says.
The thing is that two rotors are closed system but forgeting that one of them opens to outside source of energy
which is represented by ring magnet. The complete device is actually very Open system. At a point Where You bring Diesel I bring Permanent magnetism.

Igor



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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2005, 10:29:40 AM »
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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2005, 10:34:07 AM »
You right again, ooandioo.
Listen nobody, just try and try.
Sorry, I tried to "prove" something. It never work. I remember myself, when I thought my ideas best of all and was very angry, when some "bad" guys tried to open my eyes...till did it myself and proved my wrong.
So try. Even if it won't work (no doubt, system's closed), you'll get experience.
Good luck.

One rotor (Output rotor) is in Opened system to outside ring magnet when shield moves away.
outside ring magnet is actally what Diesel is to your car. Shield is only making potential (diesel pump) for diesel to get
to your motor. diesel pump needs much much less energy than your motor outputs.

This is the completely true analogy. Please make it wrong !

igor


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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2005, 11:09:02 AM »
Femm analysis seems very interesting and the system itself seems logically to me.
I did some tests in femm with thinner shield and outer magnet closer to it - flux density is also much stronger between inner and outer magnets when shield is removed as the force between outer magnet and shield appeares, when shield is applied.

What else can you say about attraction of the steel shields to the ring magnet. Perhaps force to move the shield will be equal to force you get out of the system?

-- Andi

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2005, 11:09:02 AM »
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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2005, 11:14:41 PM »
Hey guys - i was reading the whole thread just now - i found the idea great, iam thinking since some days about over unity machine. My idea was similar to the "Takahashi-engine" but your plan looks much better. - i was wondering, if the bigger size ring magnets are too expensive why you dont buy manny smaller ones - and arrange them like one big ring. Keep going, great idea!

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2005, 11:51:43 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions. A completely closed ring magnet would deliver a closed flux system and so the force that appeares between Shield and inner magnets would be same at every postition.
But you are also right, if the input rotor with shield would me moved at continous and specific rpm, the different forces could be ignored...

-- Andi

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2005, 11:51:43 PM »
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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #82 on: June 14, 2005, 06:13:19 AM »
"This is the completely true analogy".
- Maybe. If you put an additional source of energy to run a "shield" in Kalinin's motor, yes you'll get "diesel" like principle. And with system of "compensators" the positive balance can be achieved.
But in your scheme you just "bend" fields in shielded space, and forces in total going be equal. The outer rotor will follow running shield, i.e. will depend of how powerful drive of inner rotor is. You should  brake and  close a field some how with a smaller force to actuate the clean power of magnets. And then, yes, limit just a sky...

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #83 on: June 14, 2005, 05:34:35 PM »
Currently I'm working and allmost finished preparing very interesting and promising experiment.
Electrolysis of water with AC variabile square freq. generator in order to be able to find resonant frequency of
"cell with water" itself. In that point current for generating H2 + O2 mixture gas shuold drop to very small currents.
Some reports say that COP 7 to 11 can be reached with such approach.
 when experimenting starts you'll be informed in elektrolysis topics.

This is the only reason I currently pause on making Knitels RPMM.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #83 on: June 14, 2005, 05:34:35 PM »
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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #84 on: June 14, 2005, 08:47:39 PM »
Ok. Currently I'm doing some tests with shielding. I will keep you informed.
The best would be, to test the whole idea in a 3D Software. Do you know any good one (perhaps free like femm)?

-- Andi

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #85 on: June 15, 2005, 03:29:19 PM »
I have found very cheap ring magnet at http://www.ktmagnet.com

dimensions of magnet: 200mm(D)*160mm(d)*20mm(thick) 48USD + P&P is 77USD = 125USD to be delivered right to the door.
this is N35 grade but it is still very powerfull magnet (200 - 300mT < than N42) and is completely sufficient
for testing. What is important is that its thickness 2cm makes it allmost UNDEMAGNETIZABLE.

I have ordered me One Ring.

I'll try to download some quality 3D software.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #85 on: June 15, 2005, 03:29:19 PM »
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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #86 on: June 15, 2005, 04:03:49 PM »
off topic
can the hack someone tell me how to put my picture next to message? can not find the option to do that.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #87 on: June 15, 2005, 09:00:07 PM »
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can the hack someone tell me how to put my picture next to message? can not find the option to do that.

Should be below the reply message box. I didn't found some 3D software. If you get something, please inform me - we can do many tests with it.

Greetings, Andi.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2005, 12:37:05 PM »
Hi guys.

Any news from you. wizkycho, did you get your magnets?

greetings, Andi.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2005, 08:20:26 AM »
can the hack someone tell me how to put my picture next to message? can not find the option to do that.
I think what you want is the "Reply" button which is slightly above the 'quick reply' text box. the 'quick reply' text box doesn't let you add pictures. Or try editting an existing message using the 'modify' button.

 

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