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Author Topic: Rotational PMM by wizkycho  (Read 60533 times)

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2005, 12:21:38 AM »
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@wizkycho
 
 When you move the shield you wil have to use more force, cause you want to move the shield
also out of the attraction of the rotor magnet.
So EnergyIN is higher than you think !

So I don?t know, if this is really better than the linear version.

Regards, Stefan.

Please If you can read my start post at this topic (satturation) and view the movie you will se that saturated steel not only doesn't attract but can even repel from magnet. Please try this simple experiment and give it a good thinking...
If You(and others) ?are right then washer (in experiment) should stay where the magnetic field is strongest in CENTER - BUT IT IS NOT SO IT BOUNCES. this is very important.

WHEN SHIELD IS SATTURATED SAY WITH FIELD OF ONE MAGNET THAT STEEL OBJECT WILL TRY TO ESCAPE FROM
MORE MAG FIELDS...

If I was very opportunistic I can say that Output Rotor (it's repel from ring) will push shield and then following it even without any input. but that would require annoing calibration thickness of shield which is really not neccessery.

rotor type design is better bacasue steel can be thinner cause of it's shape that goes to the other side where south is.

If You and all want I will build it but I can only offer half of the price needed to be build.

 

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2005, 12:21:38 AM »

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2005, 12:22:53 AM »
In God's sake, Wizk, WHY the rotor's magnet will follow the "screen"? System is closed, they (rotor and screen) just attract each other and all system will stop.

"THIS STILL WORKS VERY VERY GOOD, COME AND STOP IT".
Even if you buy a ticket for me, I won't go to waste time, couse it will not (and can not)  work this way.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2005, 12:25:02 AM »
@Light

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In God's sake, Wizk, WHY the rotor's magnet will follow the "screen"? System is closed, they (rotor and screen) just attract each other and all system will stop.

The rotor magnets will follow the shielding because the shielding moves. Don't forget: that's not a selfrunner. It needs a permanent energy input. You have to rotate the shielding permanently. And then the rotormagnets MUST follow because the place behind the shielding is the only place with little or no repelling forces.

M.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2005, 12:26:22 AM »
I don't know, but if there is an attraction between the shield and the inner magnets, any movement of the shield will cause the inner magnets to follow (mainly) and this needs power. If there is no attraction between the shield and the inner magnets, then only the repel force of the outer magnets and the inner magnets will cause the following and the system would work.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2005, 12:35:29 AM »
@wizkycho

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the magnetic field is strongest in CENTER

I'm not sure about this. Look at the picture. Both the flux density and the density of the fieldlines are greater on the outer edges of the magnet.

M.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2005, 12:42:47 AM »
@Light

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In God's sake, Wizk, WHY the rotor's magnet will follow the "screen"? System is closed, they (rotor and screen) just attract each other and all system will stop.

The rotor magnets will follow the shielding because the shielding moves. Don't forget: that's not a selfrunner. It needs a permanent energy input. You have to rotate the shielding permanently. And then the rotormagnets MUST follow because the place behind the shielding is the only place with little or no repelling forces.

M.

BRAVOOOOOOOOO !

Even if there is Output Rotor attract Input Rotor (very thick shield,poorly constructed) sittuation is this

I will INPUT Output rotor - input rotor (shield) attraction energy =Eattraction
but I'll get for free Repel energy between outer ring magnet and output rotor =Erepel

therefore on input rotor = Eattraction
on output rotor I'll get = Eattraction + Erepulsion and we are still very much over 100%this is really the worst case scenario.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2005, 12:54:37 AM »
@wizkycho

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the magnetic field is strongest in CENTER

I'm not sure about this. Look at the picture. Both the flux density and the density of the fieldlines are greater on the outer edges of the magnet.

M.

@wizkycho

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the magnetic field is strongest in CENTER

I'm not sure about this. Look at the picture. Both the flux density and the density of the fieldlines are greater on the outer edges of the magnet.

M.

It wasn't shown in video but washer (you can see) wan't stay in center when applyed horizontally, but stands perfectly
still in center when placed 90deg. allso You can notice that half of washer (when bounced) stick to magnet the other half stays in air.

SO FOR THIS BEHAVIOUR OF FERROMAGNETIC MATERIAL IS RESPONSIBLE DENSITY OF THE FLUX DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO IT'S SATTURATION CAPABILITYES.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2005, 12:56:10 AM »
"that's not a selfrunner. It needs a permanent energy"
- No use to discuss it then. I thought it's OU site...

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2005, 01:00:58 AM »
"that's not a selfrunner. It needs a permanent energy"
- No use to discuss it then. I thought it's OU site...

It gives much much more energy OUT than the INPUT is. It is up to You will You close the loop and make it to work in
OU mode, just for You.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2005, 01:00:58 AM »
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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2005, 01:02:57 AM »
Light, the concept that one idea leads to another completely eludes you doesn't it?

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2005, 01:10:46 AM »
@m668004
Okay, you are right,
if you look at the video from Mark Olsen,
then you can see, that one rotor can move from one end
to the other end of the plate pretty easily, so as long as the shield does
not move too much out of the rotor magnets "face",
then it will probably work.
ALso I guess the rotor magnet will pretty much follow the shield and will not
have such a big lag as in the animation !

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2005, 01:21:19 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2005, 01:10:46 AM »
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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2005, 04:19:37 AM »
"Light, the concept that one idea leads to another completely eludes you doesn't it?"
- Yes, if you call "idea" what you say...

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2005, 09:03:16 AM »
@m668004
Okay, you are right,
if you look at the video from Mark Olsen,
then you can see, that one rotor can move from one end
to the other end of the plate pretty easily, so as long as the shield does
not move too much out of the rotor magnets "face",
then it will probably work.
ALso I guess the rotor magnet will pretty much follow the shield and will not
have such a big lag as in the animation !

Regards, Stefan.

Animation is made like for linear with maximum allowed load - Output rotor doesn't move until it overstrenghts (with it's repel) resistance from load.
Again bout attraction:

If really I have to input Attraction Energy (between Output rotor and shielding rotor)
this attraction energy is transfered to output
And I get Eattraction + FREE Erepulsion which is again FE that can be easily made to slose loop.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2005, 09:07:12 AM »
If load is smaller (than max. allowed) then Output Rotor would sunner start to follow shield.
Animation shows behaviour of motor at maximum allowed load.

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Re: Rotational PMM by wizkycho
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2005, 02:00:53 PM »
Correct me when i'm wrong.
The inner magnet will follow the shield "abyss" because of repel to the outer magnets. But: The shield steal will also went towards the highest magnetic attraction and this position is where outermagnets+innermagnets provide strongest magnetic strenght. The further away the shield moves from this point, the more energy is used to move it.

Am i ignoring some facts about the shield?

-- Andi

 

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