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Author Topic: Self sustaining process found, or is it just more garbage?  (Read 3844 times)

Butch

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Self sustaining process found, or is it just more garbage?
« on: August 23, 2007, 07:21:36 AM »
I watched on the science channel last night a documentary about this company that is producing a plasma arc electrically that reaches 10,000 degrees F. and garbage is exposed to the arc and every thing in the garbage goes back to it's simple atomic state. Two forms of matter exit the system, solid and gas. Of course for a period everything in the gas state is in the forth state of matter, plasma. What is the most amazing thing about this system is that hydrogen is removed from the garbage and it is enough to drive turbines that power the plasma arc and there is excess electrical power for distribution to the grid. Now I know it's not water electrolysis, but they are getting hydrogen from matter in a way that is able to self sustain the process and provide excess power for the grid. A system has been on line in China since 2004. They are planning large plants to power small cities at this time.
This is proven technology and it is providing by-products in solid form that have near endless uses.The gas by-produces also have many uses and nothing is considered toxic because it is broken down to atoms. Any and all garbage is used, nothing survives the arc, it all breaks down. Metals are sold as are other by-products.
Now just think, all these years we have been putting our garbage in land fills and it could have been powering our homes and industry and providing useful by-products, not to mention getting rid of our garbage.
All these years we have been digging up coal and pumping oil out of the ground when an energy source in our very homes was being thrown out to be buried in land fills.
Just think of the billions of tons of garbage on our ocean floors and in land fills that could have been turned into hydrogen and useful, harmless, by-products.
Who knows, we may some day drive up to a service station and say, "give me five hundred pounds of your best garbage, super compacted please".
I have a feeling that in the future kids may brag at school that their father is in the garbage business. They will no doubt be driving a Mercedes too.
Isn't it funny, when the oil starts getting low people start finding energy in the strangest places, like your garbage can for starters. I think they knew it was there all along, large plasma arc production and plasma physics has been around for a hundred years. After all, it's the same plasma arc you see in the lighting of a thunder storm. We have been looking at it for thousands of years.
Butch LaFonte
For more info, go into Google and type in "garbage to plasma"

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Offline wattsup

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Re: Self sustaining process found, or is it just more garbage?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2007, 07:54:19 AM »
I'm thinking of the car from "Back to the Future".

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Re: Self sustaining process found, or is it just more garbage?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2007, 08:30:28 AM »
Surely this is working. But the excess energy is not coming from plasma arc but from the garbage itself. Most of the garbage will burn at low temperature. One can make a fire out of garbage and this proves it. In fact, fires on garbage storages are a big concern and they pose quite a challenge to firemen and to the environment protection agencies when it happens. This is a proof that ordinary garbage is, in fact, a fuel. Once the temperature is raised, as it happens in an electric arc, more and more of the garbage content oxidizes (including various metals, which do not ?burn? under a low-temperature fire), thus the extracted energy is higher. Yet, the technical challenges of building and exploiting such an installation are quite provoking. That?s why they are relatively new. Probably they will become more attractive in the near future, as the price for storing and for recycling garbage under conventional methods is raising as it is raising the price of energy.

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Re: Self sustaining process found, or is it just more garbage?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2007, 08:30:28 AM »
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Offline JamesThomas

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Re: Self sustaining process found, or is it just more garbage?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2007, 06:44:29 PM »
Extremely interesting technology. Here is a company, Startech, which is advertising their complete unites for sale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SheSTELS_bs

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Offline ChileanOne

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Re: Self sustaining process found, or is it just more garbage?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2007, 07:06:17 AM »
I agree this technology is already commercial, and it is not OU in any sense, but it is commercially OU because garbage is (until now) free of charge as a fuel (and often companies that handle garbage get paid for doing so).

These systems can release up to 20 times the energy (in the form of gas an heat) they require to self run, thus they are energetically self sustaining, but they are being fueled by the energy content of the Garbage.

Anyway, these babies can effectively make garbage disappear. Only downside is the price tag of the machine, is astronomic by the moment.

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Re: Self sustaining process found, or is it just more garbage?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2007, 07:06:17 AM »
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