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Title: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: FreeEnergy on August 22, 2007, 12:28:46 PM
just found this searching youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrxl8hx9wcU
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: TheOne on August 22, 2007, 09:41:32 PM
they are an electro magnet on the other side of the wall, i am 100% sure of it
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: FreeEnergy on August 22, 2007, 09:56:43 PM
Yeah I'm pretty sure too, but hey you never know :)

Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: TheOne on August 22, 2007, 11:17:28 PM
I asked on youtube to remove the wall, he say he don't want to show how it work lol
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: FreeEnergy on August 22, 2007, 11:27:01 PM
 ::) lol
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 01, 2007, 02:51:10 AM
What is it about the tractormag anyone would want to know?
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: hartiberlin on October 01, 2007, 02:56:48 AM
How much power do you need to keep the disc spinning
and how do you generate these fields, so the discs (magnets?)
keep rotating ?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 01, 2007, 03:04:26 AM
Are you a physicist?
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: hartiberlin on October 01, 2007, 03:17:23 AM
Well, just an electronics engineer.
But I also studied physics during my time in
university.

So what is behind your wall ?

Just some "electronic-toys" to create rotating magnet fields ?
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 01, 2007, 03:31:36 AM
I will be able to tell how this Friday evening.(October 5)
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: mikestocks2006 on October 01, 2007, 03:36:02 AM
What is it about the tractormag anyone would want to know?

Hi tractormag,
Nice videos. Thx for the refs and different views there.

Few questions,
a.   In the white(ish) pack that you lower over the spinning disk, what's inside? (if you  are at liberty to say)
b.   Do you have to rev it up to a certain rotating speed before the disk reaches what appears to be steady state spin?
c.   What is the disk material?

Thanks

Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 01, 2007, 03:46:57 AM
What do you mean steady state spin? I have metal shavings in the plastic cup. The disc in one video is ceramic and in the other video, the disc  is neo.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: mikestocks2006 on October 01, 2007, 03:55:28 AM
What do you mean steady state spin? I have metal shavings in the plastic cup. The disc in one video is ceramic and in the other video, the disc  is neo.
Thx for the answers.

I mean do you have to first spin it eg by hand to few rpm and then in picks up and accelerates to the final rpm shown in the videos?
I was looking to find out what was the minimum rpm needed for the disk to pick up and get to its final rotational speed.

Thanks

Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 01, 2007, 04:00:15 AM
I'm sorry! I believe I know what you mean by steady state spin.What you are seeing is when the disc stops rolling. I believe that is what you mean by steady state spin, correct?You can do it as far as I know with two methods.#1 by slowing the speed of the disc down, however it must be within the capture ring.#2 while the disc is at high speed (say 7000 rpm's) within the capture ring, you place another disc face down within the ring and gently move it toward the spinning disc.This does two things.It stops the roll and decreases the tilt of the disc.I hope this is clear.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 01, 2007, 04:08:04 AM
Actually, you do not have to engage the disc at all.The tractor will do the work for you.You don't have to initially spin the disc with your hand. As the field strength intensifies the speed increases.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: mikestocks2006 on October 01, 2007, 04:43:02 AM
Actually, you do not have to engage the disc at all.The tractor will do the work for you.You don't have to initially spin the disc with your hand. As the field strength intensifies the speed increases.

Ok, thanks.

The ring is composed of what type of magnets? ceramics? neos? or? Do their poles face towards the center of the ring, or butt up one another? sequential or opposing? (NS-NS-NS etc or NS-SN-NS and so on)

Good stuff!
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 02, 2007, 02:48:08 AM
Mike, if you study video #6 you can figure out how the ring is constructed.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 02, 2007, 02:50:27 AM
As a matter of fact, you can make a triangle or square capture device.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 02, 2007, 02:53:19 AM
Actually, you do not have to engage the disc at all.The tractor will do the work for you.You don't have to initially spin the disc with your hand. As the field strength intensifies the speed increases.

Ok, thanks.

The ring is composed of what type of magnets? ceramics? neos? or? Do their poles face towards the center of the ring, or butt up one another? sequential or opposing? (NS-NS-NS etc or NS-SN-NS and so on)

Good stuff!

I wrote a couple of replys
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 03, 2007, 07:25:37 AM
Very imppressive!  Obviously there is something behind the wall that causes this effect but, whatever it is, I would like to know how this works.  May not be overunity but, very interesting as I can't imagine any device that would make this happen.  Thanks for posting this and tell us whatever you can, whenever you can.

Bill
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: gyulasun on October 03, 2007, 12:06:28 PM
Hi Bill and all,

I watched some of  tractormag's videos and I think the working principle must be the effect of a rotating magnetic field on a rotating permanent magnet,  rotation is syncronised to the frequency of the changing magnetic field.

A similar effect takes place in case of Nikola Tesla's rotating eggs demonstration back in 1893, at the Chicago World Exhibition.  But in case of the egg made of metal (probably copper) the rotating magnetic field induced eddy currents and these currents created magnetic fields and the interaction of the two fields caused the rotation of the egg;  in case of using a disk shape permanent magnet the rotating field can immediately interact with the poles of the disk magnet which results in rotation.  (I assume a certain amount of eddy current is also being created in the disk magnet, Neo type magnets do conduct electric currents like AlNiCo types but ceramic/ferrit magnets cannot.)

So what is behind the walls must be some multiturn coils excited by oscillating currents of differing phase and these changing magnetic fields created should influence the rotation of the disk magnet. 

Regards,
Gyula
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 04, 2007, 02:53:44 AM
What does the word quote do on the web site? Anyone please
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: Tink on October 04, 2007, 04:39:12 AM
What does the word quote do on the web site? Anyone please

This ;)
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 04, 2007, 04:45:07 AM
I'm stupid Tink! Can you elaborate a little more?
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: Tink on October 04, 2007, 04:48:32 AM
I must be getting tired sorry about that.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: Freezer on October 04, 2007, 05:00:20 AM
What does the word quote do on the web site? Anyone please

It puts another members post in quotations, such as the post above this sentence, so people know what message you are responding to.  Is that what you meant?
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: mikestocks2006 on October 05, 2007, 08:38:53 PM
Actually, you do not have to engage the disc at all.The tractor will do the work for you.You don't have to initially spin the disc with your hand. As the field strength intensifies the speed increases.

Ok, thanks.

The ring is composed of what type of magnets? ceramics? neos? or? Do their poles face towards the center of the ring, or butt up one another? sequential or opposing? (NS-NS-NS etc or NS-SN-NS and so on)

Good stuff!

I wrote a couple of replys

I saw the reply regarding the composition of the spinning magnet in the center of the ring, but could not locate any description of  the ring magnets and/or their polarity orientation. Do you have a reference/link?

Thanks
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 05, 2007, 09:39:27 PM
Has anyone figured out how this works yet?  It would be fun to replicate.

Bill
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: tractormag on October 06, 2007, 02:48:00 AM
I said I would let everyone know how  the disc spins Friday Oct. 5. On that date I had an appointment with my patent attorney and thought for sure, that he would give me the ok to disclose. However, he advised me I should wait awhile longer. I am terribly sorry for I was anxious to share it to get feedback. I will let everyone know as soon as I am able.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: Low-Q on October 06, 2007, 03:03:16 PM
I have an idea how it works. The spin is approx 3000 or 3600 rpm, depending on 50Hz or 60Hz outlet - the effect seen in old spike wheels on US western-movies is shown in the spinning magnet, so it is easy to calculate the rpm depending on frame pr. second in the video.
The disc could spin clockwise or counter clockwise - doesn't matter. A simple electromagnet driven by a transformer behind the wall is acting on the spinning magnet disc, and force it to have stable rpm. If the surrounding magnets was powering the disc magnet, this spinning magnet would alter the rpm depending on where in the circle it's present. This is not the case in all of the videos. A video showing two spinning magnets have the exact same rpm - is that by accident? I don't think so.
The surrounding magnets is present just to force the spinning magnet to be inside a given "playing area". Case closed ;)

Br.

Vidar
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: nrg00 on March 05, 2008, 02:24:56 PM
I said I would let everyone know how  the disc spins Friday Oct. 5. On that date I had an appointment with my patent attorney and thought for sure, that he would give me the ok to disclose. However, he advised me I should wait awhile longer. I am terribly sorry for I was anxious to share it to get feedback. I will let everyone know as soon as I am able.

figures.

i hear siemans will pay large money for your device - then we can all quietly appreciate you as we slave our way to the gas pump.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: eavogels on March 10, 2008, 03:46:34 PM
It's perhaps like the 'perpetuator', the unit that can be placed under a levitron, to keep the levitron spinning.
Eric.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: EMdevices on August 18, 2008, 04:12:08 PM
Hi guys,

I'm a late comer to this discussion since I just discovered these videos on youtube.   

I'm so impressed, and in the captions of those videos he does say there is a device behind the wall to activate it.   I'm thinking the same as eavogels,  it's like the perpetuator that can keep the levitron going for a long time.  I own both devices and have played with them quite a bit.   The perpetuator is just a steel plate with coils on it.   So basicaly it's like a bar magnet that changes it's polarity.   The tracmag scheme can certianly use something simular.   However, what's amazing here seems to be the plastic cap "attracting" the disc magnet while it spins.   I've never seen anything like this before, it's got to be a new phenomena unless the plastic cap has other materials inside that we are not aware of.

Anyway,  very nice videos.

EM
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: shablol on September 08, 2008, 10:33:27 PM
i never posted a reply but i follow everything on this site... my thought on the plastic cap is that the spinning disc spin so fast that it creates suction like low air pressure  something like the coanda effect...

amazing videos i dont think it's a scammm :)
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: eavogels on September 08, 2008, 10:43:34 PM
There has been gone a year since the first video clip. This is not a mysterium anymore. Not a secret either. The man is selling this as a science project for 150 USD, not as an overunity device.
Eric.
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: Light on September 09, 2008, 03:53:31 AM
Driver's hidden.
Here how it works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFB-xYL2xWw
No OU whatsoever.
Maybe if put bunch of them together...
Title: Re: magnetic spinning disc video
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 09, 2008, 11:27:10 PM
Thank you for this explanation.  As you mentioned, I wonder if there is any additional drag on the drive motor if, say,
20 rotating "receivers" were used?  I mean, if the magnetic field is spinning, maybe there is no additional drag
for an "unlimited" number of rotating receivers?

Very thought provoking.  Thanks.

Bill