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Offline stallman

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TPU Compiling
« on: August 17, 2007, 01:59:31 AM »
This post is a general survey of what free energy machines do in general and the basic principle of physics they expose. I have included questions for Nikola Tesla?s wok, Henry Moray?s ?Sea of Energy,? E.V. Gray?s conversion tube circuit and finally extensive questions about the TPU.

In the following questionnaire I will be writing questions about each inventor?s work. I am going to ask a lot of question so as to not get confused could people please put the number of the question before your answer. If you have an additional fact to through in write ?fact-? in front of you fact, if it is a comment write ?comment-? before you comment.

After I get most of the people answers I will compile my finding and write a critique on what is really going on. I hope this will help most of the advanced TPU builder by suggesting other possible ways the TPU works and how it gets OU.

QUESTIONNARE

It all started with Tesla

1.   What was Tesla?s charge caring substance that he stated was smaller than the electron? Was it really just an electron or a subatomic particle (neutrinos, ect.)  or something to do with the vacuum (Aether, virtual photon, ect.)?
2.   What was the difference between a regular Tesla coil and Tesla?s Magnifying Transmitter?
3.   What are cosmic rays? Is it ions, electromagnetic radiation, subatomic particle, or the vacuum (Aether)?
4.   What is Aether (also spelled either) exactly.
5.   What is a Hertz waves (is these electromagnetic waves like light)? What are longitudinal waves and how do they differ from Hertz waves.
6.   What was the light emitted from Tesla experiments. It was different than conventional lights and did it come from the machine itself (I am guessing)?

Moray learned from Tesla

7.   Moray stated that energy from an external source is what created decay in all matter (the heavier elements showed most decay because of bigger atom size). He stated that he could keep some of this energy from flowing into radium which made his radium sample emit many time lower emissions. What was this energy?
8.   Has any one read an article about rocks that emitted light similar to the light created by Tesla?s experiments. One man found a stone that had this weird property and the light from it was so penetrating that it shown through his house making his neighbors frightened that his house was curse. The rock also made a banging sound every now and then. It seemed similar to the Sweet VTA. The rock was probably created when a quartz type rock with ferrite ore in it was struck by lightning (just guessing). Any one have any thought or explanations.

Edwin Gray and the modified Tesla coil

9.   Has anyone made a conversion tube (besides Bedini) and has it worked?
10.   Could some one take a Tesla coil and remove the primary and secondary coil then insert a conversation tube to see if there is any over unity gain?
11.   Has anyone experimented with the Tesla Switch?
12.   Did Tesla?s car use a conversion tube?

Finally the TPU

13.   What makes the TPU your favorite OU machine?
14.   What types of TPU designs are there (i.e. mobus rings, three ring four control, ect.)?
15.   Where is the TPU getting its additional energy from? Is it from back EMF, radiant events, MEG type magnet gating, Earth?s magnetic field, atmosphere Ions?
16.   What are seed and what are kicks?
17.   What is the simplest design to achieve OU (like turbo?s one control coil ring)?
18.   Has anyone touched the coil when it was functioning in OU? Could you feel anything? If you did what did it feel like?
19.   When was the last time Steve Mark talked to anyone about his invention and was his letter any help?
20.   Is the TPU like a big spinning toroidal magnet? If so, how does the TPU capture this energy and is any energy from the environment into to TPU?

This is my first questionnaire. This will be an experiment to see how much answers I get (I am hoping for a lot). If you have a question to contribute write ?question-? in front of your question and I will incorporate it into next questionnaire. I hope that with all these answers we can merge all the information about nature these ?freak experiments?, as would be called by regular scientists, to better understand at what the TPU is doing.

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TPU Compiling
« on: August 17, 2007, 01:59:31 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2007, 05:44:12 AM »
Q13.  Ans= Because with the info provided you theoretically could goto to your local
                 junkyard and build one, for nothing.  that,s if this thing isn,t some
                 elaborate hoax,  like the war of the worlds broadcast, a psyops of sorts
                 to guage what the natives are thinking.

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Re: TPU Compiling
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 08:27:05 AM »
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9.   Has anyone made a conversion tube (besides Bedini) and has it worked?


FACT - John Bedini never got to the point where his Gray tube replication worked! He built the tube, but NEVER got it powered as Gray did...



tao wrote:
Dear John,

There are some questions that I always wanted to ask you, and if you would be so kind....

After you built and replicated Gray's tube, did you ever power light bulbs and stick them in water it to make sure you were actually producing Gray's 'cold' electricity?

I know that you said you were using it for 'healing,' considering this, I am sure you know about Robert Beck, if not ask Peter. Anyway, did you use this 'tube' for anything other than 'healing'?

And lastly, and perhaps MOST importantly, Do you see Gray's tube functioning in the same manor as your monopole inductors? Meaning, that you input 'normal' electricity into it in order to CAPTURE your 'radiant' output? And do you consider Gray's 'cold' electricity to merely be what you call your 'radiant energy'?

One quote from you I'll always remember is:

"I must keep this simple
Let's look at it this way, If we go back to where Tesla said that when the switch was thrown in the DC power station the operator was killed by some unknown! Tesla studies this , He reproduces it in his lab where he says that a great stinging pain was felt by him ( the gaseous fluid, not controllable passes through everything). He finds out that just before the current carriers catch up and enters the highly resistive inductor (by sharp reparation rate) their is a radiant pulse that causes the wire to emit a glow that takes place, then the current catches up and it goes away (normal positive EM power). Then the current is cut off and a back EMF develops. These are two different things! In my tests I have found that the radiant only appears to tranverse the coil when voltage appears, in other words this radiant pulse is there when the voltage potential leads the switching, then the current makes it's way through the resistave coil. But now the switch is off and the back EMF shows up only reverse at 1/3 the radient pulse, so in a sence you could say this all takes place unidirectional in millisecond of time."


Thanks again for everything John...



John Bedini wrote:
Tao,
No I did not, I was chased away from this work. I wanted to build the power supply but things got nasty. And yes it is the same cold electricity, and yes it was radiant energy. and yes it is splitting the positives. I never forgot Gray's demo with the magnets, you could not believe how fast they took off.
Gray was something else. The motor did run and recharge the batteries. He could run this motor for hours, it was cold to the touch, made a popping sound. He did show us a drawing of the motor in a car, but then Tesla had the same thing.
Hope this helps you.
John

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Re: TPU Compiling
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Re: TPU Compiling
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 09:17:59 AM »
@toa

Wow I can't believe that Bedini just didn't make the simple circuit which was a Tesla coil circuit that could be powered by 12v batteries (Lindemann explained in one of his videos). It would of taken a neon sign transformer, capacitator and, a spark gap. He has the protection to show what ever he wants. He made a freaking movie in his factory. If he used them for healing he must of powered them up. If he was getting those so called 1000 amp sparks he would of incorporated this in to his monopole motors.

Is John Bedini reliable? I am assuming his monopole engine designs create over unity.

So I'm guessing that he basically tried the tube and didn't get any over unity or he did but wants to keep it secret (I'm guessing the first).

I was curious about the EV Gray circuit because it seemed easier to build than the TPU and also it could be scaled up easily to power a city. I guess that answers that the TPU is what I'm going to focus on from now on.

If you know of anyone else that reproduced the conversion tube please tell me.

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 09:33:10 AM »
@toa

Wow I can't believe that Bedini just didn't make the simple circuit which was a Tesla coil circuit that could be powered by 12v batteries (Lindemann explained in one of his videos). It would of taken a neon sign transformer, capacitator and, a spark gap. He has the protection to show what ever he wants. He made a freaking movie in his factory. If he used them for healing he must of powered them up. If he was getting those so called 1000 amp sparks he would of incorporated this in to his monopole motors.

Is John Bedini reliable? I am assuming his monopole engine designs create over unity.

So I'm guessing that he basically tried the tube and didn't get any over unity or he did but wants to keep it secret (I'm guessing the first).

I was curious about the EV Gray circuit because it seemed easier to build than the TPU and also it could be scaled up easily to power a city. I guess that answers that the TPU is what I'm going to focus on from now on.

If you know of anyone else that reproduced the conversion tube please tell me.


No, it is neither. Bedini NEVER tried the tube. He never built the power supply as Gray had it. That is what I am saying, everyone looks at Bedini's tube and thinks that he has already made a perfect replica of Gray's tube, yet he has never powered it, by his own admission.


One man who claims to HAVE replicated Gray's tube and circuitry is G. Magratten, he has a site at www.coldelectricity.info
I have had email conversations with him and watched over his work, he claims to have replicated Gray's tube, but in a smaller fashion.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/os/EdGrayMotor/PM_PEM_MG/plans/proto1GM/index.html

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Re: TPU Compiling
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 09:58:48 AM »
Hello all,

@Stallman

here some answers. Im answering only from what I saw.

13. I had a runaway and know EXACTLY what a 6" TPU can do.
14. there are a few of possibilities to build a TPU and the people here have different setups with different success.
15. Answer and question: from where can a TPU get the additional energy??? No, not BEMF!!

Otto

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Re: TPU Compiling
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007, 07:25:30 PM »
@Otto

Could you reexplain exactly how it ran away and what was the over all experience like. Compared to how much power you put in how much explosive power was it putting out. I could make this a key thing in my paper.

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2007, 01:06:46 AM »
As far as I have been able to isolate, the 5Mhz scalar/soliton wave plays a very important part in the efficiency of the TPU.

Where does it get its energy from? Actually it is a complex set of harmonics and side band frequencies.

Then again ask the designers of the Millennium Bridge on London just how powerful harmonics can be? The repetitive pulse wave set up by people walking across it would match the harmonics of the Bridge and make it shake violently. They had to add support braces to change the bridges harmonics to prevent it form being destroyed. Even though physically the bridge could carry 50* the weight of the people.

Kick pulse also sets up rather unusual electron tunnelling effects (quantum tunnelling as it has been referred to) This is pure Tesla/ZPE territory of partical displacement from another scale density (Different point in the space time continuum).

I explain some  of this here in TDM  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2816.0.html

Although at this juncture it is important to concentrate on isolating the relative interactions, before we start theorising about the non relative reactions that are taking place.
 
An example of a scalar/Soliton wave cycle.

http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~dugald/breath.mpg

Seeing the movement of this, it is very easy to visualise how the electrons get accelerated and or increase voltage/amps. It would also explain why the device becomes more efficient at temperatures like 100 C, as the electrons would be more free flowing in the convection current.

The convection current may also be why some of the designs stop working when placed upside down. Unless you make allowances for this, the electrons could not flow easily and would hit bottlenecks




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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2007, 04:33:38 AM »
@13hour

Who are you? You seem to really knowledgeable in advanced physics.

I was reading your TDM and I think its great. Through my whole life I have been able to figure out patterns in my sub conscious as you might say. It would take a while for me to figure out what my sub conscious caught because I think In lines (its weird I know). Your theory makes perfect sense. I am going to draw up some pictures that might make sense to you and this would be the best way I can communicate my ideas.

Can you keep posting all your ideas or pm me some of you work. I will be working on some of my drawings. I will post them their. If you have any suggestion for the report/book I will be compiling. Hopefully once some one makes a successful TPU I can write about from start to the finish and what theories explain what is happening.

All help is appreciated. The report will be post in public domain (Ctrl+c all you want)

Stallman
(ps I haven't had the chance to learn advance math I'm only 17 so keep explaining with metaphors; there very understandable)


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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2007, 08:48:41 AM »
13th Hour,

As a fellow ideas man I have looked at your TDM theory and the linked email conversation and your theory does seem useful in explaining many 'unexplainable' problems in physics, however after giving the concept some thought, there are some questions which I have. I know you are stating that it is just a theory and not necessarily the way things actually work, but how would you explain the following with TDM. In order for your theory to be useful in explaining the TPU operation, it should at least be consistent with observed fact. I know you state that the same rules apply in each TDM state, but the fact that there are multiple (infinite) TDM states with transitions at the local C leads to some interesting effects which would be testable. Please explain:

a) Would we not see apparently 'random' flashes of light in a dark room when say a beam of photons in the TDM state above ours fell below the minimum speed threshold for that state and into the human observable spectrum within our state.  :-\

b) In your contention are the other 'TDM' states therefore inhabited, given your comments about being stationary and other objects passing you at C or multiples, it would seem that this might have to be so.  ???

c) If the answer to the above is yes, or maybe even if not, then surely we would have already experienced the effect of a higher or lower level TDM state compensating for a local C transition causing the catastrophic 'House of Cards' effect you mention. And is your contention that the compensation effect transits instantaneously through all the TDM states to infinity either above or below the originating state.

d) Could not multiple transitions, leading to compensation, in a group of TDM states potentially lead to a self propagating feedback reaction that maintains a non-equilbrium steady state, like a soliton wave.

e) What mechanism would the compensation mechanism take, and would the effects in our TDM state not be observable. If it is black holes what in your mind would determine which black hole the compensation was taken from and how would it initiate?

also in relation to a single TDM state:

f) You state that instead of objects getting further away physically that they 'shrink' from an observers perspective. Surely if two observers moving away from each other see the other observer as shrinking then this  cancels out. How would you then explain a very large object (or any object) passing between the observers, and obscuring their view of each other, if the gap between them is illusory or has an illusory component.  ???

There are other questions that I have, but these are the most fundamental, your comments please, many thanks.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2007, 10:20:27 AM by acerzw »

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Re: TPU Compiling
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2007, 02:07:48 PM »
@stallman

I think it would be useful for all the TPU workers on the forum to use a common format for their diagrams, I liked tao's but it is not easy to edit, so I have created a basic diagram of how I think a TPU self runner would work. I have attached a JPG and a Zip of the Open Office Draw original. I suggest that everyone might use this diagram and post a modified zipped Open Office Draw original with a JPG for the convenience of forum viewers. I am a theory guy, not a hardware guy so I am sure my comments about the control circuitry on the diagram need revising.

I am convinced that this device is a BEMF device, like Bedini's Simplified SG motor generator, the harmonic frequencies just appear to increase the BEMF spike output. I would also suggest that everyone reviews SM's comments regularly as we learn from the tube guys devices, there are a lot of clues there.

It is important to make the device a self runner, so a converter that takes energy from the output and converts it to a form usuable by the control circuitry is a must. This may be a capacitor or battery like Bedini uses. I strongly suggest that if you don't have Bedini's book and DVD's that you get them, they are real diamonds in the rough, and he shows spikes like the tube guys are getting.

The tube guys have had full conversion events so it seems likely that if they tune down the frequencies from a full conversion event like SM says then they should just about be there. I think they need to stick to the size of SM's device and coil arrangements as we know that configuration works.

Keep up the good work guys!  :)

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2007, 10:06:39 PM »
@acerzw

Thanks for your drawing I will stick them in my report.

So you think that this machine gets its additional power from the back emf? I read that the power might be coming from scalar wave interaction. To me it makes more sense that it is scalar wave interaction because of harmonics. Bedini systems that utilize that back emf run at various speeds determined by impedence. The TPU however (from my knowledge) change it speed (hz) when it was under load. Also I have read (correct me if I am wrong) that the TPU runs at 5Mhz. I think that would be too fast to use the back emf efficiently. Look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOP2LD-IpI this guys back emf. He uses on a few hz.

I you still think it is back emf could you please explain you side. I would like to compare the two.

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2007, 10:24:33 PM »
@stallman

I do take your point, I am in two minds about it at the moment, Tom Bearden has a lot on scalar waves and given his level of knowledge I think he is most likely correct about them, however there are still some doubts in my mind about the exact nature of them and how they interact at a physical level. To me BEMF is already proven by Tom Bedini in his numerous devices, however I am not sure whether any device has been proven to use scalar waves for sure? You seem pretty knowledgeable are you convinced 100% that any particular device uses them, if so I would be interested in a few links where I can find more info.   :-)

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2007, 04:39:07 AM »
@acerzw

Look at Peter Lindemann's videos. They have tons of Tesla and scalar information. Scalar waves are real. A Tesla coil is based on scalar waves. If you look at a Tesla coil primary and secondary it should not be able to produce what is produces there is no way a transfomer primary and secondary that are spaced 3 inches or more away could produce the sparks it produces. A microwave tranfomer can't produce what a Telsa coil can. Scalar waves, however, can.

Just because you know BEMF exists doesn't mean it is what the TPU uses. I am also not 100 percent sure it runs of scalar waves. I am waiting for Toa, Otto, and the other builders to check out my idea.

Stallman

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2007, 06:44:03 AM »
@stallman

Yes, I guess I'm waiting too. Scalar waves are neat though, must read up on them more.

 

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