Author Topic: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power (Read 828186 times)

dutchy1966 · « **Reply #570 on:** October 05, 2007, 10:30:53 AM »

Quote from: saintpoida on October 05, 2007, 10:18:10 AM

after reading the patent posted a little back it says you can calculate the capicantance of the water and staineless
steel

using surface area, dielectric and distance spaced apart

i found a formula but it required the permitivity of the dielectric so does anyone know the permitivity of water?

i have no idea if this is correct but its an idea?

Hi,

It is mentioned somewhere in Stanley's documents (I think it's the tech brief). I haven't got it at hand but I think I remember it being 78 at 25 degrees celsius.
Should be pretty easy to find using google i guess....

Btw, th acrylic tube came today, so i will start building this weekend.

regards

Robert

saintpoida · « **Reply #571 on:** October 05, 2007, 10:44:48 AM »

oh i thought permativity was something different to the dielectric value thingy

meh i have no idea what im talking about but if your right then that value sounds about right from my
memory, where is this tech brief thing anyway more reading is always helpful for a newbie like me...

on that note though if we can use that value as permativity then does someone want to use it to find
the resonant frequency of there already built unit and see if that is what its actually resonating at?

im still conditioning and stuff other wise i would try work it out

dutchy1966 · « **Reply #572 on:** October 05, 2007, 11:05:49 AM »

As you might understand already, the resonant frequency is dependent on several things and hard to exactly calculate. E.g. it is dependent on the water quality, water temperature, size and number of tubes and the used chokes config.

I tried to attach the tech brief, but it keeps coming up with a posting error. I guess it's too big....
I'll try again later

Robert

saintpoida · « **Reply #573 on:** October 05, 2007, 11:23:51 AM »

well yeah i understand it depends on size and number of plates but that would come down to the capicator side
of the equation, as i understand it capacitors in parallel add and inductors in series add, so when you worked
out one of your tubes, you could just multiply by number that you have or is that too simple thinking?

And as for water quality that brings me to my next question, adjustable inductor

Would i be wrong in thinking this could be made by making two identical inductors and lie them
side by side and as you move one away from the other you would be chaning the inductance??

Or is that too simple thinking again?

dutchy1966 · « **Reply #574 on:** October 05, 2007, 11:35:19 AM »

I guess it is best to calculate a rough figure for the frequency by the known parameters of a specific cell. Then just find the exact spot by changing the frequency with the controller.
Another problem with this cell is that if the water is converted into gas the water level in the cell drops. This changes the desired frequency! So you either have to have a circuit that detects the dropping water level and controls a pump to adjust the water level. OR the frequency needs to be adjusted while the cell is running.
Stanley Meyer had a circuit that tracked the resonance in the cell and kept it running at the exact right frequency....

Robert

saintpoida · « **Reply #575 on:** October 05, 2007, 11:49:06 AM »

is there somewhere i can get the technical brief from?

cause i can just go download it if its not posting properly

dutchy1966 · « **Reply #576 on:** October 05, 2007, 11:55:31 AM »

Quote from: saintpoida on October 05, 2007, 11:49:06 AM

is there somewhere i can get the technical brief from?

cause i can just go download it if its not posting properly

http://www.bgevolution.com/files/

look for the file full meyer brief.pdf

btw there is loads more there...

Robert

saintpoida · « **Reply #577 on:** October 05, 2007, 11:59:24 AM »

thanks again dutchy!!!

i guess with my other questions i am trying achieve a way of getting close to the resonant frequency
so it makes it easier to lock onto, i mean if you had an estimate to start with and something to
measure what you were doing, you could go to that start point and hopefully the resonant frequency would
be close by..

and of course i could be way off with anything im saying so please dont hesitate to let me know

popeye68 · « **Reply #578 on:** October 05, 2007, 09:22:38 PM »

Check out this video.
Peter Lindemann explaining Meyers patent , looks at it from a different interesting angle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjIyxEvAYM

Enjoy

popeye

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #579 on:** October 05, 2007, 09:46:35 PM »

@popeye68

Thanks for posting the video link. If this is correct, this explanation makes a lot of sense to me.

Bill

saintpoida · « **Reply #580 on:** October 06, 2007, 01:49:09 AM »

hey i tried the inductors with just a small one tube setup i made from spare tubes (not conditioned)

and with the inductors in i get pretty good production at 1amp, if i take em out
i think i get around same production but the ammeter tries to go past 5 amps

so is that sort of working or are the inductors just affecting the ammeters reading so
i am still putting in 5+ amps?

if i wire an ammeter in series directly before input will i be able to check how much its drawing
from the battery???

saintpoida · « **Reply #581 on:** October 06, 2007, 01:50:36 AM »

also what voltage are people getting across there output terminals?

dutchy1966 · « **Reply #582 on:** October 06, 2007, 08:48:27 AM »

Quote from: saintpoida on October 06, 2007, 01:49:09 AM

hey i tried the inductors with just a small one tube setup i made from spare tubes (not conditioned)

and with the inductors in i get pretty good production at 1amp, if i take em out
i think i get around same production but the ammeter tries to go past 5 amps

so is that sort of working or are the inductors just affecting the ammeters reading so
i am still putting in 5+ amps?

if i wire an ammeter in series directly before input will i be able to check how much its drawing
from the battery???

Hi,

Well I must say that doesn't surprise me at all. That is exactly what the inductors are for....restricting the current. Ideally you would have NO current through the cell. In practise we won't be able to do it but it is what we are aiming for. Current through the cell is just waste energy. I know you can send amps through the cell and get HHO but that is something completely different. I's called brute force electrolysis and we are NOT trying to do that.
We want to use the VOLTAGE to do the work. Therefor the voltage across the cell should as high as possible (which can be spikes up to 20KVolts! ) and the current should be restricted as much as possible at the same time.

Yes you can use an ammeter, but i would put in in the 12v power lead. Use an anlog meter as digital ones are no good for measuring pulsing current..... My controller has a built in analog 5A ampmeter.

Robert

Gheller J · « **Reply #583 on:** October 06, 2007, 04:57:10 PM »

atlantex · « **Reply #584 on:** October 06, 2007, 09:14:13 PM »

Hi all,

here a new video of me single cell after 2,5 weeks of conditioning, after 3 hours of running, the water changed the color a little bit, no brown scum is produced, and the current didn't raised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmSz3ZORt78

it's pretty quietly, so turn your speakers on.

next step would be to build a multicell, and than mounting the whole thing to a car in connection with an EFI lambda controller.

My goal is a fuel saving rate of 20%, than create detailed instructions or may be a kit and everyone can use this technology, that would be great...

Could someone please give some information about the prices for the tubes?

best regards

atlantex

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