Quote from: ashtweth_nihilisti on September 27, 2007, 08:15:28 AM

Given to me by a friend

I have wound one version of the bifilar inductors to go in our inductor test bank switch box.
 See this image - I believe it explains it quite well. It also explains the benefits of using bifilar inductors over standard inductors.I calculated ages ago that you would need a huge inductance to get the WFC cell stack to resonate! Bifilar may do the trick.
 
http://overunity.ifrance.com/Magnetricity_com%20___%20NEOGEN%20Dynamo%20Project_fichiers/NEOGEN_BIFILAR.jpg

I am saying that the file Astweth references regarding bifilar winding of inductors is full of absolute nonsense and garbage.  That's all.  The claims are that a 250,000X increase in energy storage capacity is made by using the same number of turns, same diameter and length on same core.  In truth, there is no increase in energy storage and a lowering of the self-resonant frequency due to increased effect of interwinding capacitance. 

Ashtweth is a believer in magic and knows so little about science that he is prone to believe and pass on as fact any crap he hears.  The man has no discernment; no judgement of his own on technical matters.  He surrounds himself with charlatan magicians, all of whom talk plenty big stuff but none produce anything but mumbo jumbo.

Hi HissyfitNihilism,

The bifilar coil shown on the Neogen drawing is the basically the same as the one Tesla got a patent granted on. In there it is stated how the 250000 times energy storage is created.  (the tesla patent is even shown on that website).
I'm not saying wether it is right or wrong, but if you say it is wrong you apparently know something Tesla didn't......

Regards

Robert

Hi,

Please forgive my intrusion, I just wanted to offer the following.

I take interest in noting that no one has recognized that the production of ozone by high voltage discharge is a "Cold Fusion" process on the molecular level!  It is known that very little input energy is required for the production of enormous amounts of ozone gas. 

Lets assume that an environment of air and and environment of water are one and the same, the only difference being the density of the medium in question. Tesla indicated in his ozone patent, that he had devised a means by which gasses other than ozone could be produced, unfortunately he never revealed how this device could be adapted to produce the other gasses, or did he. 

Quote:

568,177 Apparatus for Producing Ozone

In my present improvement I have utilized appliances of this general character under conditions and in combination with certain instrumentalities, hereinafter described, which enable me to produce, without difficulty and at very slight expense, ozone in any desired quantities. 

I would state the apparatus which I have devised for this purpose is capable of other and highly important uses of a similar nature, but for the purposes of the present case I deem it sufficient to describe its operation and effects when used for the purpose of generating ozone.

End Quote

It must be remembered Tesla wanted to burn/combust atmospheric nitrogen, and successful in doing so, the frequency and potential of the current required for this was hundreds of times greater than those required for the production of ozone. 

In the open atmosphere the circuit in this patent 568,177 produces ozone, in a different environment.....

The bifilar winding is very special arrangement.  It was around long before the birth of Tesla, he was simply the one to recognize its importance and significance in the sphere of electricity.  Its true power and purpose can only be demonstrated when it is properly wound, and placed in a circuit specifically designed for its use, and therein lies the problem.  There are too many theories as to the bifilar coils purpose! 


Regards

Hi Erfinder,

No need to apologize, we're glad to see you here! Hope you can help us further. Seeing as I'm not familiar with the ozone patent it seems to me that tesla was hinting to something else.
Maybe you can let us know if there is anything important in the mentioned patent that can be useful for our quest. That being, upping the voltage potential and at the same time restricting electron flow through the cell.
If useful would you post the patent here?

Of course any other ideas or suggestions from you are welcome!

thanx.

Robert

Hehehehe....shifting and dividing and concentrating.....mmmmm..heard those words before...
Shaking the medium.....natures way....
Yes...i can do that. 

ok so heres my silly question

with the mosfet does it matter which way the legs are wired up?

i noticed on the diagram there is a g, d, s next to each leg so im wondering
how do i work out which leg is which on the actual mosfet?

Thanks i will probably have more stupid questions like this shortly!

errr yup, you connect those pins wrong and you can possibly kiss that device goodbye 

g=gate goes to the junction of the resistors 220 ohm and the 820
d=drain goes to the coil that feeds the inner tubes
s=source goes to 0V line.

Which mosfet are you using
This is the pinout for the buz350 http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/siemens/BUZ350.pdf

ok so heres my silly question

with the mosfet does it matter which way the legs are wired up?

i noticed on the diagram there is a g, d, s next to each leg so im wondering
how do i work out which leg is which on the actual mosfet?

Thanks i will probably have more stupid questions like this shortly!

Keep your hair on! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil

Some bifilars have adjacent coils in which the convolutions are arranged so that the potential difference is magnified (i.e., the current flows in same parallel direction). The magnetic field created by one winding is multiplied with that created by the other, resulting in a greater net magnetic field.

A superb example of idiotic non-science tripe.  Just the kind of pure idiot fantasy Ashtweth loves!

Bifilar winding of a coil does not increase its magnetic field energy storage.  It increases its parasitic capacitance, thus lowering its self-resonant frequency.  Whoever drew this picture and wrote these words has misinterpreted Tesla and made him look foolish. 

@dutchy

Not yet, I'm still trying to get the best out of the circuit, and as you have seen my tubes are pitiful to say the least, I will try EEC later, but I do not have whopping great capacitors, best I have is a few 11000mfd types.

@ Runningbare,

Have you already considered using an EEC (Electron extraction circuit) as that seems to up the efficiency further? ( the extraction will  stop atoms from recombining after they have been separated already).

regards

Robert
 

Quote from: RunningBare on September 27, 2007, 04:07:46 PM

Keep your hair on! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil

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Some bifilars have adjacent coils in which the convolutions are arranged so that the potential difference is magnified (i.e., the current flows in same parallel direction). The magnetic field created by one winding is multiplied with that created by the other, resulting in a greater net magnetic field.

Quote from: HissyfitNihilism on September 27, 2007, 08:28:45 AM

A superb example of idiotic non-science tripe.  Just the kind of pure idiot fantasy Ashtweth loves!

Bifilar winding of a coil does not increase its magnetic field energy storage.  It increases its parasitic capacitance, thus lowering its self-resonant frequency.  Whoever drew this picture and wrote these words has misinterpreted Tesla and made him look foolish. 

Yes...it is multiplied by two, the number of windings.  But it is the same energy storage as a single coil with an equal number of total windings.  The idea that bifilar winding gives some great multiple of the inductive energy storage over a single-filar coil of same total turns is simply wrong and can easily be disproven by simply doing the experiment.  All wiki means is that the coils will aid each other if in phase (i.e. 1+1=2x) and oppose each other if anti-phase (i.e. 1-1=0x).  The idea that hundreds of thousands of times energy storage is magically achieved by bifilar winding is just pure rubbish.

the transformer not under any kind of load should put out well over a thousand volts, the coils reduce current on both sides to the cell.. when the transformer starts to pulse the wfc threw the chokes the cell gets energized at that time, the cell is taking on a charge, during the off pulse of the primary side of the transformer the chokes is emitting back emf to the transformer witch is in parallel with both of the chokes "at that given time". by the time the 3rd pulse arrives the chokes work with the transformer in a series fashion, this multiplies the voltage across the cell.

each time the cell is step charged the voltage across the cell increases, each time the cell increases in voltage the output from the transformer to the chokes is increased, and stronger emf is emitted. once the cell reaches its peak the transfromer is now putting out over its maximum thousand volt rating because of the series positioning of the chokes. the second side of the circuit is now resonating, meaning the circuit, not the water fuel cell.

each time the cell takes on a step charge the amount of amps in pulses applied to the primary side of the coil drops, when the cell becomes completely charged hardly any amps is consumed from the primary side of the transformer.

this is not overunity, it is just a resonating "circuit" that works.