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jox

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #390 on: September 20, 2007, 06:44:42 PM »
hi Gheller J, do you have a link to the circuit diagram that relates to the PCB design you posted. Its different to the Lawton circuit, is this the one where the frequency remains stable when you adjust the mark/space.
Thanks

RunningBare

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #391 on: September 20, 2007, 07:13:18 PM »
I do not know if someone else did it, but I was the one who put up the revised circuit to keep frequency stable while adjusting mark/space, unfortunatly it had an error which has now been fixed...
(http://hh0.no-ip.info/images/pulse_circuit_revised.jpg)

I had omitted R7 and R8 but now they are included, the discharge pin 7 of the 555 timers need to go to the junctions of R7-VR4 and R8-VR2

I am sorry to everyone who followed my original circuit, the error had not become apparant until the circuit was mentioned again, the above cicuit is now correct.
If your concerned about the 50k pots instead of the 47k shown in the original circuits do not worry, either 47k or 50k will work with little difference.

hi Gheller J, do you have a link to the circuit diagram that relates to the PCB design you posted. Its different to the Lawton circuit, is this the one where the frequency remains stable when you adjust the mark/space.
Thanks

jox

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #392 on: September 20, 2007, 07:35:25 PM »
thanks Runningbare do the ends of variable resistors that are floating go to the sliders?

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #393 on: September 20, 2007, 08:08:29 PM »
No, VR2 and VR4 will function as is, the floating ends can be left floating(disconnected)

thanks Runningbare do the ends of variable resistors that are floating go to the sliders?
« Last Edit: September 20, 2007, 08:29:01 PM by RunningBare »

Spewing

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #394 on: September 20, 2007, 08:25:11 PM »



JUST RECEIVED THIS FROM A VERY VERY RELIABLE SOURCE !!



Gh. j.

i'm sorry but if you are using the lawton circuit alone this will not do anything but limit current, the back emf is wasted, if you are going to use this whith out a use of a transformer you should use this circuit, therfor it does not wast the back emf as the first picture, if you was to use the first picture you pasted it would work fine with a transformer, but the second added diode is not doing anything, and the direction of the chokes must be hooked the right way.

using the same core means sharing a magnetic field, if hooked improperly you loose. the core inside the choke takes on a discharge effect, when sharing cores the discharge emf effect falls faster, it is better to use single cores so each chokes can fall at it's on electro magnetic field rate.

it is very important that the 3rd cycle of the transformer hits the chokes at a discharge level, if the transformer hits the chokes on the 3rd cycle and they have already been dishcharged caused by using the same core, then you loose again.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #395 on: September 20, 2007, 08:25:54 PM »
A note to everyone who is building from my circuit, it is only stable so long as the ends of the potentiometer tracks are not reached!, full up or full down means zero resistance at one end or the other, you could of course add resistors to the track connectors to stop the resistance reaching zero, this is for the mark/space pots VR1 and VR3, suggestions for Ra and Rb are between 220 ohm and 1kohm

      Ra                            Rb
---\/\/\/\/----               ----\/\/\/\/-----
                \     |      /
              /               \
             |        O       |
             \                /
             
 
   

Spewing

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #396 on: September 20, 2007, 08:33:20 PM »
A note to everyone who is building from my circuit, it is only stable so long as the ends of the potentiometer tracks are not reached!, full up or full down means zero resistance at one end or the other, you could of course add resistors to the track connectors to stop the resistance reaching zero, this is for the mark/space pots VR1 and VR3, suggestions for Ra and Rb are between 220 ohm and 1kohm

      Ra                            Rb
---\/\/\/\/----               ----\/\/\/\/-----
                \     |      /
              /               \
             |        O       |
             \                /
             
 
   

use a 270 ohm resistor, red violet brown.

RunningBare

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #397 on: September 20, 2007, 08:35:27 PM »
For a bifilar winding Ravi has it correct, if wired parallel the windings will have opposite polarity, this will mean the magnetic field from each winding will cancel the other, they use this technique to reduce magnetic field effects in some electronics

What Ravi proposed and I agree is to swap the terminals of one coil, in this way they both have the same polarity, the magnet field from one wnding is multiplied by the other winding which is what we want because when that field collapses it will give a larger back emf which is what we are after, check out Tesla's bifilar winding patent.





JUST RECEIVED THIS FROM A VERY VERY RELIABLE SOURCE !!



Gh. j.

i'm sorry but if you are using the lawton circuit alone this will not do anything but limit current, the back emf is wasted, if you are going to use this whith out a use of a transformer you should use this circuit, therfor it does not wast the back emf as the first picture, if you was to use the first picture you pasted it would work fine with a transformer, but the second added diode is not doing anything, and the direction of the chokes must be hooked the right way.

using the same core means sharing a magnetic field, if hooked improperly you loose. the core inside the choke takes on a discharge effect, when sharing cores the discharge emf effect falls faster, it is better to use single cores so each chokes can fall at it's on electro magnetic field rate.

it is very important that the 3rd cycle of the transformer hits the chokes at a discharge level, if the transformer hits the chokes on the 3rd cycle and they have already been dishcharged caused by using the same core, then you loose again.

Spewing

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #398 on: September 20, 2007, 08:35:39 PM »
A note to everyone who is building from my circuit, it is only stable so long as the ends of the potentiometer tracks are not reached!, full up or full down means zero resistance at one end or the other, you could of course add resistors to the track connectors to stop the resistance reaching zero, this is for the mark/space pots VR1 and VR3, suggestions for Ra and Rb are between 220 ohm and 1kohm

      Ra                            Rb
---\/\/\/\/----               ----\/\/\/\/-----
                \     |      /
              /               \
             |        O       |
             \                /
             
 
   

use a 270 ohm resistor, red violet brown.

edit,, just noticed that you had the values close... good deal!

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #399 on: September 20, 2007, 08:51:47 PM »
This picture will explain the bifilar arrangement I hope.

http://hh0.no-ip.info/images/bifilar_comparison.jpg


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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #400 on: September 20, 2007, 09:31:51 PM »
I have updated the coil configuration on my webpage...

http://hh0.no-ip.info/tubes.htm

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #401 on: September 21, 2007, 01:00:32 AM »
Just found this site for simple tools to analyze spectrum and frequency and all free!

http://www.techmind.org/audio/#mustun

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #402 on: September 21, 2007, 04:41:30 AM »
Ok guys, I finally got some numbers you can run with...

I fed the tubes with a DC pulse at 6080hz approx.
Total current drawn by circuit and tubes 0.5amps, voltage 12.5
Then the 6080hz was gated, 90ms ON, 60ms OFF.
It took 1 hour 20 minutes to collect approx 600ml of gas.

If anyone would like to run those numbers I will be back with a second lot after another test run.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #403 on: September 21, 2007, 04:48:49 AM »
Hi,

Found this patent that was cited in Meyer patent.

Someone in 1974 who produced hydrogen with pulsed power.

May be it will help us to improve the pulse system and VIC

ashtweth_nihilisti

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #404 on: September 21, 2007, 06:43:44 AM »
Guys i can back up that source it is creditable, we are helping them and also adding that to our replication, don't be discourage try it in the lab.