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leeroyjenkinsii

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #345 on: September 18, 2007, 06:14:42 AM »
I was just looking at Stan Meyer's explanation of one of his cells on YouTube and it got me to thinking.  He was discussing how a laser could be used to keep the oxygen and hydrogen atoms in an excited state so they could not recombine to form water.  This, he said, would give off extreme heat/energy.  This is what is done to gases to form plasma.  They are subjected to high energy fields, i.e. microwaves, lasers, radio waves so the electrons cannot naturally stay within the atoms.   Examples of this are the laser induced plasma channel and microwave plasma experiments on YouTube.

I think another example of what Stan Meyers is talking about is the Kanzius affect.  So the radio waves cause the water to split with the salt serving as a catalyst.  Once the water is turned into HHO and it is lit, it starts to attempt to combine back into water.  This would usually lead to a small explosion and the recreation of water but that does not happen in the Kanzius experiments.  Instead as the HHO attempts to form H2O it is unable to do this because the radio waves are exciting the gas and it is staying in a plasma state giving off 3000 degrees heat as Stan Meyer's said.

Is anyone working on a Kanzius recreation? 

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #346 on: September 18, 2007, 07:17:55 AM »
The output from a modern line output transformer is DC due to the fact it has a built in diode/capacitor voltage multiplier.

was it DC ?
if not, the plates were constantly changing polarity and  only shaking the molecules

the task is not "breaking the dielectric barrier of water".
it is to apply a force to dissociate its molecules.

imo. at 10KV the distance between plates would need to be revised.

about the schematic, i suggest to replace the lamp by a battery.  ;)



DC isn't what we want to use, we only want to use IMPULSES.

Ponder this profound example:

If you take a 1:1 transformer and put a 12V battery on the primary side of the transformer, and on the secondary side you place a bridge rectifier and a capacitor.

Now, on the primary side in series with the 12V battery and the primary of the transformer you place a simple switching device like a transistor or FETs.

Now, the start conditions are as such: The battery is at 12V, and the capacitor on the secondary is at 12V...

Having 12V on both sides of a transformer means no current flow, so if you were to apply a simple square wave to the primary of the transformer using the 12V from the battery, there is NO current flow in the secondary because the capacitor on the secondary is at 12V, UNTIL that magnetic field that was built up in the transformer collapses...

Now you have a VOLTAGE pulse (pure EMF) of anywhere from 50V-1000V, and since the primary is now an OPEN circuit, this voltage pulse moves onto the secondary, but now, since the voltage is greater than 12V, this voltage DOES ADD to what is stored in the capacitor. Capacitors are the best conversion devices for these TYPES of pure EMF pulses...


That is just one example...

So, we aren't using DC, that is Direct CURRENT, we are using improvised PULSED DC, such that we all but eliminate ALL CURRENT FLOW...

So, you CAN apply 10KV+ to stainless steel plates that are in water, and the distance wouldn't have to be revised, because we aren't ADDING electrons to the plates, only this VOLTAGE FIELD...

This is what Bedini calls his 'radiant energy'........

well put!

this picture is something that lerks in the back of me head...
« Last Edit: September 18, 2007, 07:56:06 AM by Spewing »

esaruoho

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #347 on: September 18, 2007, 07:55:36 AM »
Tesla Impulse Technology based patent for creating Ozone by using "pulsed DC"
http://keelynet.com/tesla/00568177.pdf

now we are finally getting to the root of things, impulse tech. gerry vassilatos has written quite a bit about these fast interruptions of DC, pulsing them to a specific frequency, and what Tesla discovered he was able to accomplish.

funny tho, everytime we go back to tesla ;)

RunningBare

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #348 on: September 18, 2007, 08:39:05 AM »
I need a judgment call folks, I've just made a 15 second video of another conditioning process, but that seems like a lot of bubbles for less than a watt input, 13 volts 50ma, thats what the meter showed, but I'd say it was more like 60ma.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbf0SSgrJV0

One day I'll get the bloody seal on this water tube to do a proper test!

Gheller J

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #349 on: September 18, 2007, 10:36:14 AM »
Runningbare>>>

thats 0.78 watts max >>>> not bad at all  >>>>  ure reachin there mate!






Check d followin vid of hydrocars @ 20.9 watts!!  >>>> 11V 1.9 Amps   >>>>and still reducing!

He seems 2 have done it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXzTtm-QwtI


Way 2 go mate! one winner >>> few more 2 come!


Gh. J.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #350 on: September 18, 2007, 10:56:52 AM »

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #351 on: September 19, 2007, 04:31:01 AM »
I thought for a moment the spooks had got overunity.com! ;-)

Copied from posts I made in another forum...


Who am I kidding!, it has taken 1 hour 25 minutes to inflate the latex glove to the point where it is standing upright with just a little under 6 watts, I can do better than that just eating a tin of beans!

Heres something interesting, I removed the two separate inductors that were feeding the tubes and replaced with my bifilar wound ferrite core transformer, the number of windings are the same in each case, where each of the ferrite inductors were fed one to the outer tube the other to the inner tube, I did the same with the transformer, each of the windings is open ended at the input and output, so I connected the input ones, one to the positive rail the other to the pulse output, the outputs were then connected one to the outer tube the other to the inner tube.

Original separate inductors, these were wound on separate ferrite cores
pulse ---ccccc-----  inner tube

pos   ---ccccc----- outer tube



bifilar wound transformer, these were wound on a single ferrite transformer core.
pulse ---ccccc---- inner tube
         =====
pos   ---ccccc---- outer tube
Both windings wound in same direction

It took 1 hour 15 minutes to fill the latex glove with the same power input but using the above transformer arrangement, thats a full 10 minutes less than the original setup.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #352 on: September 19, 2007, 05:47:25 AM »
Due to the numerous requests I have had for it -

I just listed 10 more of the PWM "black box" on eBay as a preorder sale - Item number: 120163570832  - the pcb's are off to manufacturing and have a delivery eta of 9/24 unless they get them done quicker and the box will start shipping on 9/25/07

Thanks guys

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #353 on: September 19, 2007, 07:08:42 AM »
I really wish some one would do up Kits and put all revenue back into this research.

I would consider doing this, I represent a non profit org, and dot need money but engineers (open sourced) do. Our circuit is 90% done Guys.

We are making a step by step of Ravi's replication and all processes he mentions, hopefully this will help beginners.




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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #354 on: September 19, 2007, 10:59:39 AM »
G'day leeroyjenkinsii and all,


I think another example of what Stan Meyers is talking about is the Kanzius affect.  So the radio waves cause the water to split with the salt serving as a catalyst.  Once the water is turned into HHO and it is lit, it starts to attempt to combine back into water.  This would usually lead to a small explosion and the recreation of water but that does not happen in the Kanzius experiments.  Instead as the HHO attempts to form H2O it is unable to do this because the radio waves are exciting the gas and it is staying in a plasma state giving off 3000 degrees heat as Stan Meyer's said.

Is anyone working on a Kanzius recreation? 

Yes, I am. Both Stanley Meyer and Kanzius got their inspiration from Keely.

 If you want to have a closer look at what is involved a little background reading on Keely will not hurt. A good place to start is my website.   PLUG-PLUG :-)            http://www.keelytech.com

Together with a couple of guys I am at the moment attempting to design a device with the following parameters.

An AM transmitter that can be tuned to operate on a carrier frequency of between 40 and 45 KHz. Into this we feed an audio signal that is composed of certain chords a la Keely via the audio output port of a computer.

The resultant wave form is then fed into a quantity of water inside a resonant cavity.

If anyone is interested to help with this project please contact me through my website.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #355 on: September 19, 2007, 03:21:52 PM »
Hi everyone,

You are all doing well,

But let?s look at Stan?s main drawing at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Water_fuel_cell_circuit.png,  here we have a power supply, a transformer (witch is not essential but dose help, so lets forget about that for now), a frequency generator, a diode, two chokes bifilar wound*, and a capacitor.

Now we know that 2a input 5v input that?s 10 watt?s, is all we need.

The frequency generator needs to produce pulsed DC and gated pulsed DC wave form, the gates are there so that the voltage fields don?t arch.

The pulses are to find resonance of the inductor and capacitor.

Ok.

The transformer is an unnecessary luxury; we will not go into that now.

Now we come to the [diode] this is here to keep the Water capacitor (Stainless steel plates/tubes) charged, it dose not let the high voltage wash out of the capacitor, It lets the voltage build up charge slowly.

Done,

Now we come to the inductor (choke), this is a very important part of this circuit. When a pulse hits the inductor, the inductor generates an electromagnetic field. This then waits for the second pulse and then lets out the first pulse; witch goes to the water capacitor and gets charged in there and gets times on it self each time.

Then it washes back out to the inductor, but not past because the High voltage diode dose not let it.
Then the momentum starts building with each pulse, the voltage is resonating up, down, up, down.

This is how the voltage gets to such high levels with 5v and 2a. and this is the role of the inductor.

Ok.

Now let?s look at the water capacitor, this is made up of a bunch of stainless steel plates/tubes, forming a capacitor, this is where the high voltage gets put, so that the tremendous voltage fields are made in the water between the plates in the capacitor.

That is how the LC resonance in the water fuel cell builds up high voltage fields.

The key is LC resonance,

LC resonance is a ?choke? (copper wire around a ferrite core) witch is L and a ?capacitor? (the stainless steel plates/tubes) witch is C.

When you put a pulse through an LC circuit you will not get much of a reaction, but if you slowly tune, or do some hard math, you can find the resonant frequency.

The right frequency will resonate with the capacitor and the inductor, but you need to find resonance.

Good,

Now let?s look at what is actually happening to the water molecule.

The conventional electrolysis method uses amperage. Lots of it, and the energy used is not recovered after the Hydrogen and the oxygen recombine.

Now that we are using high voltage fields and very little amperage we don?t use much wattage but lots of hydrogen.

Let?s take the normal water molecule; it has two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.

Now the problem with breaking apart the water molecule is the covalent bond of the water molecule, this is the electrons that hold it together. But now that we are using high voltage fields we can ?strip? of the electrons, leaving the hydrogen and oxygen free to rise to the top as a gas mixture.

We have now broken the water molecule with high voltage fields by affecting the electrons.

Imagine the water molecule is held together by a lock witch is the electron. The conventional electrolysis process is like trying to smash apart the lock; it takes so much energy to do that.

But what Stan did was unlock the covalent bond of the water molecule using voltage, ?plucking? or ?extracting? the electrons. This uses much less electricity, and is more efficient.

It breaks the laws of thermodynamics you say?

Well, in the process of stripping the electrons the water molecule looses its electrons, the hydrogen and oxygen then goes into the combustion chamber in the piston of the engine. It needs to use its other electrons to reform that covalent bond,

Just try and re use that water coming out of the exhaust, you cant.

Before that water can be reused, is needs to go up into the atmosphere and join the clouds, get re-energized by the sun and fall back to earth, it acts like a solar panel, to get that covalent bonding electron.

As soon as you start using electricity to make photons to ?re energize? the ?stripped? water molecules is as soon as you loose energy.

Thank you all, to find out more go to http://www.waterfuelcell.org/ and join the forum!

Have a nice day.

Gheller J

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #356 on: September 19, 2007, 04:13:59 PM »


D14 Circuit PCB Layout



Gary aka Chemelec from the OUPower forums has kindly done up the PCB layout for Dave's ciruit! Hopefully this will be useful to everyone.

he has also added additional paralled caps to the two 100uf caps, he says
these should be .1uF disc or ceramic types to give better stability at higher frequencies.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #357 on: September 19, 2007, 05:47:07 PM »
PULSED)ReverseH/OfuelcelI>>>>>

Dats a terrific rundown! Where have u been all along mate??

What do you think of pancake bifilar? cud u use them here? as these don use cores atall wud they give d same effect as bifilars wound on long ferrite rod core? wot difference is there in outputs? I kinda dont understand how pancakes wud work.


Gh. J.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #358 on: September 19, 2007, 06:16:16 PM »
How difficult is it to find the settings to get resonance? Does anyone have ballpark suggestions for settings to begin with?
Seems like it'd be a good idea to compile everyone's rigs/results into a big spreadsheet... you know, develop a list of operating parameters?

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #359 on: September 19, 2007, 06:24:16 PM »
Due to the numerous requests I have had for it -

I just listed 10 more of the PWM "black box" on eBay as a preorder sale - Item number: 120163570832  - the pcb's are off to manufacturing and have a delivery eta of 9/24 unless they get them done quicker and the box will start shipping on 9/25/07

Thanks guys


I was just notified the circuit boards are done and will be here on Friday 9/23 - the "BLACK BOX" will start shipping on Saturday 9/23. I upgraded the board design to include screw terminal blocks on all inputs, outputs, Pots, gate switch. This added a few bucks to the cost of reproducing it but will save tons of time on final assembly. I also changed the resistors to 1/2 watt instead of 1/4 watt  - Ravi posted this info a while back as the changes he made to the circuit for the bigger tube setup. The outward appearance of the unit will remain unchanged at this time. Thanks

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