thanks bro.
i got it.but i haven't started building my stuff yet.
till now i was collecting and reading all the data and experiments you guys did.
but i got curious when i saw very less research results in recent days.

once i start building my experiment(that will be soon) i'll sure follow the rules made by you.but as i said before recent progress made me little depressed. 

ASH,

     You are a true inspiration to this forum and all others you post on but... Can you personally confirm that Dave's and Ravi's results are the real deal? Please don't take this the wrong way, because, I am an avid researcher of Stan's work for a few years now, and I have replicated Dave's/Ravi's work to the "T". BUZZ350 and all. It works, but, only to a certain degree. There is still heat generated from long periods of use. Plus, the gas output is no where near what Stan has shown. I am not convinced that the Lawton style diagrams will achieve the results Stan had demonstrated hundreds of times before his death. Long live Stan Meyer!

     I do admit, I was hooked in by Dave's work until I replicated it, and Ravi gave me new inspiration, but, neither will even run a small moped engine(49cc) for longer than when the gas pressure dies off from low production. There are too many discrepancies and barely any real measurements of both replications to show true replication. As always, MIB is mentioned when replicators who claim victory are bombarded with emails and such asking the details. I am truly awaiting this new info from Ravi. I can't wait! If the Indian gov came looking for him from just a few videos on youtube, then we have a much bigger problem than most of us can imagine.

     Is this Tesla tech? How? The bifilar choke coils? Is that it? A couple of coils wired in a certain way is the answer to this puzzle? So show me the same tech in a Tesla invention. A Tesla Coil you say? Sorry, that is a "Lodge" coil, not the same thing. Just because you can make a streaming spark doesn't mean you replicated his work. As far as I know, publicly, without any show of evidence, Dollard has been the only documented case of any Tesla replication written on paper. No person that I know of that will come forward will show Dollard's replication. That is if he released any pertinent info to replicate, which he didn't. Well, maybe Bedini did it, but, he aint talkin more than his motors and battery charging.

     Why does every electronic engineer say Stan's work won't work? Stan admittedly never released the true wiring diagrams of his work to obscure it from take over by any entity. He was absolutely paranoid! I would be too if I was held at gunpoint from a shady investor! You can see the guy in Stan's dune buggy video being powered by his "Rotary Pulsed Generator". Panacea has the whole story on it's web site. I love Panacea! The best resource of info any where! Never the less, the subject matter, mostly, is unsubstantiated claims. Still, Panacea is the best site for inspiration and has the best and most accurate info available. Keely's site is also in the ranks.

     Can any of us answer the question, "How do you make a circuit work with a dead short?" That's what Stan asked and claimed it was how his devices worked when he found how to do it. I have shorted out a Lawton Ravi circuit a few hundred times. Sure, the oxide layer is resistive and can improve electrolysis, but, it can still short out and fry from just a couple of volts of a dead short.

     NEXT!

I mean no disrespect, but, I have to question all of my sources. You are one of those sources and I must question you to better understand my quest for knowledge. Your responses are inspiring, only tinged with mysticism and the trust of your word which I cannot accept after replicating the works and beyond. So, let's talk shop! What Tesla technology is at work here? The bifilar chokes? How are they connected and why? Why do Stan's drawings and pictures of the "Rotary Pulsed Generator" demoed in all videos show only a variable transformer, un-regulated alternator, electric motor, and tube cell array? No PWM, no chokes. The "Electrical Polarization Process Resonant Charging Choke Circuit" was a totally different device with a variable spacing of two plates, not tubes. Also, Stan shows his chokes wired in a non-inductive manner where the magnetic field would be canceled.

     Is Ravi's or Dave's previous works non-functional and we are waiting for you to release the actual diagrams? I don't' understand why you say the info is coming, but, we should have had it already in the previous releases. What is so crucial to the design that we all have over looked? When people hide the truth, I smell doodoo! Sniff, sniff... Do you smell that? What are we waiting for? The real diagrams? There is not much left to hide in this replication, or should I say recreation of Stan's work. Compare the diagrams and judge for yourself. I can see absolutely no resemblance to Stan's work. None... If RAVI is an expert metallurgist, why is his electronics being highlighted? Is he an electronics engineer too? What does metallurgy have to do with it?

     I'm sorry I have so many questions, but, most of this seems like hype. I'm waiting for the info, till then, I'm not holding my breath. I have been down this road and it leads to two people who are crying wolf. Where is the wolf?

No mysticism in this doc, it shows you how to connect the Chokes
http://rapidshare.com/files/131258913/Ravi_Cell.pdf.html

>Why Stan's drawings and pictures of the "Rotary Pulsed Generator"

The same reason why EVGRAY drew his his way, (i cannot tell its not of relevance here)

> Is Ravi's or Dave's previous works non-functional and we are waiting for you to release the actual diagrams? I don't' understand why you say the info is coming,

All info you need is in the document, the panacea university site is back up, we are updating the RAVI doc with our experimental findings.

>What is so crucial to the design that we all have over looked?

Every thing in that document

>f RAVI is an expert metallurgist, why is his electronics being highlighted? Is he an electronics engineer too? What does metallurgy have to do with it?

He has been able to analyze the metal  and comment on the conditioning progress which Aaron confirmed, plus other things listed on the document.

Every thing you have to get started is in that document, if you have doubt, then i cannot convince you.

Ash

Ash,

Thanks for that Ravi_Cell document. It answered a lot of questions for me on the conditioning process.
Can I assume that during conditioning, operating currents listed can be adjusted directly proportional to the surface area?
For example: Using Ravi's inner tube dimension of 3/4 inch dia., 9 inches long and 9 tubes comes out to be ~190 sq. inches.
If flat plates are used with an effective area of 380 sq. inches being conditioned, then I just double the listed conditioning currents?

TIA

insane4evr

Okay, the best criteria as stated in the doc, is to do LOW amp conditioning, WHY? The coat is most likely to stick better. The magic number is .02 amps. dont Do high amp conditioning no matter what size tubes.

Still to the one listed in there regardless.

Now as for the oscilloscope, Dave showed the Square waves coming off yes. Naudin (JLN labs) did one i think. I can as soon as ours is ready.

Ash

No not a typo, this is the best way to condition them, but it takes the longest on .2 amps. Ravi still did low amp conditioning even after he got good gas. So what i suggest for 4 weeks (yes it takes that long) start with the Normal one you described, then and only then after you have no brown gak being produced, try low amp of .2amps when not using your cell  .

Ash

Hello!  I'm having some trouble understanding part of the new Ravi design document.  I'm interested in the way the 9 individual bifilar chokes and tubes are connected to the rest of the VIC.

Are all of the chokes and tubes connected in parallel after the VIC diode?  This is how I would assume, but they could each have their own diode, or even their own VIC transformer.

Here is my real problem... I'm trying to recreate the PLL circuit Meyer describes in WO 92/07861.  The PLL chip 'A27' in Figure 7 is a 4046 PLL, the modern equivalent is a 74HC7046 which has the lock detector circuit built into the chip (notice the similarities between Figure 7 and figure 2, page 99 of "The Forrest Mims Circuit Scrapbook: V. 1").

Figure 8 is a 555-timer warbler circuit, like a siren which cycles through frequencies and gets fed to the PLL VCO input when the PLL is not locked.  When the resonance frequency is found and lock is achieved, the logic gates switch out the siren and switch in the PLL phase comparator.  I don't quite understand how the uni-polar transistors work there, so I may experiment with replacing them with logic gates.

Figure 9 processes an additional tap on the VIC coil (labeled "PULSE PICKUP COIIL" in Figure 1), this signal gets cleaned up and fed into the PLL signal input.  According to the WO 92/08761 text, "The ferromagnetic core of the voltage intensifier circuit transformer suppresses electron surge in an out-of-resonance condition of the fuel cell."  This is the key to the PLL feedback signal, but I'm not completely clear on the effect of splitting the VIC into a separate step-up transformer and a bifilar choke.  If the two coils aren't on the same core, I'm not quite sure how this will work.

If I can take a PLL feedback tap another way, like putting the pulse pickup coil on one large choke for a multiple tube cell, instead of using separate chokes per tube, that might work. If I try and make separate chokes for each tube, this would tend to suggest that I need a separate PLL circuit for each tube, which isn't economically feasible or time efficient for me right now.  If I make one big honking 4 inch toroid with all 5 windings... well, that's probably my most logical next step.

I'm building a cell using a Lawton (LM556) circuit, then I'll be breadboarding the PLL circuit.  If that succeeds, I'll probably work out a PCB using Eagle PCB CAD.  I've got a few pictures of the cell posted at the reference below.  Nothing special.

Thanks very much in advance for any insight anyone can provide, I'm having a *LOT* of trouble getting any response from anyone on the topic of PLL integration.

References:
WO 92/07861 ( http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/wo92.htm )
4046 circuit ( http://books.google.com/books?id=STzitya5iwgC&pg=PA99&dq=4046+mims&sig=ACfU3U1_4pFpUe_E8pprcV7ZEZgIkcswNA )
NXP 74HC7046 ( http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/74HC_HCT7046A_CNV_2.pdf )
my own cell ( http://pyroflatulence.tv/?p=46 )