Author Topic: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power (Read 828045 times)

mrtned · « **Reply #690 on:** April 15, 2008, 02:32:15 AM »

Ok, to raise voltage in the cell, the internal resistance of the cell has to be raised (coating on the electrodes). Now with all this talk about making the electrodes vibrate .... how about taking zinc and electroplating it to the electrodes (zinc oxide). Now we have a piezo electric material and an insulator all in one. Hmmmmmm..

mrtned · « **Reply #691 on:** April 15, 2008, 02:38:36 AM »

Actually, right now Im trying to transfer an aluminum coating on the inside of the outer tube. It has been observed that using aluminum and another type of electrode, you will get a diode effect. Im trying to get this effect so I can see how much reverse bios voltage I can build across this junction before it breaks over

127.0.0.1 · « **Reply #692 on:** May 11, 2008, 10:15:16 AM »

i am building a meyer tube array now, having messed around these past weeks/months with joe cells, wire, and plates. i would like to try straight 12v DC at .5amps. i have been using a pwm on plates and the most volts i can get on .5amps is 4.5v. anyone have any thoughts about running 12v @ .5amps straight?

also, i would like to know if anyone knows exactly (as in chemically) what the white coating is on plates/tubes that results from running them in. i would also like to know exactly what the brown gunk is.

thx,
j

lefferdink · « **Reply #693 on:** May 20, 2008, 01:56:48 AM »

I have been studying the Meyer's HHO design and need an expert opinion about using 316L SS tubes. Have bought 316L SS welded HIGH polish, sanitary type and wonder if it is the wrong metal tubes? They are welded inside and outside. I would appreciate an answer so I can get on with my project.

Thanks,

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #694 on:** May 20, 2008, 02:20:52 AM »

Hi lefferdink,

If you are following Dave Lawtons and RAVI"s advice they must be SEAMLESS, not wielded, and RAVI advises to have them treated or "soaked" in inert argon gas to remove any residual magnetism. Resonance is tricky, you need conditioned tubes and cannot be heat treated.

Also i advise to try and get a 6mm gap in your anode and cathode same as RAVI, we already showed in ours that the smaller gap is the main event using LAWTON circuits.
http://rapidshare.com/files/116162892/MOV_00009_NEW.avi.html

We will have a gas flow test in a week., there is still allot of tuning we need to do, plus we have the cold current circuit to test, make sure you get the right tubes, no more then a 1mm gap, this is f your using the LAWTON circuit, if your using some thing else then i cannot comment on what works as i have not built them.

Ash

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #695 on:** May 20, 2008, 02:32:12 AM »

Quote from: 127.0.0.1 on May 11, 2008, 10:15:16 AM

i am building a meyer tube array now, having messed around these past weeks/months with joe cells, wire, and plates. i would like to try straight 12v DC at .5amps. i have been using a pwm on plates and the most volts i can get on .5amps is 4.5v. anyone have any thoughts about running 12v @ .5amps straight?

also, i would like to know if anyone knows exactly (as in chemically) what the white coating is on plates/tubes that results from running them in. i would also like to know exactly what the brown gunk is.

thx,
j

All those questions are being answered in a doc which will be on the panacea university dot org site soon, we are using our replication for validation etc. Yes in proper tuned resonant circuit using the LAWTON circuit with 5amps should get you gas. with out stating chemically what the brown gak is, lets just say you need to condition your cells as described in the D14 document until it disappears, so brown gak is a sign of an un conditioned cell.

Read the D14 document all those Q's can be cleared up.

razasunny54 · « **Reply #696 on:** May 20, 2008, 03:14:55 AM »

Hi,

Does any one know if ZnO can be coated on SS 304L/316L plates. I am trying to find companies who would do this.

Thanks

lefferdink · « **Reply #697 on:** May 20, 2008, 07:45:01 AM »

Thanks for the heads up on the 316L seamless tubing. I tried to order tubing from the site that was listed in this forum and could not get past 5/8" o.d. They also showed stainless needles. evidently you have to have their product number for the two sizes needed. (1" o.d. and 3/4" o.d.) I have been looking for the name of the company again in this forum and somehow can't find it. If anyone on this forum can give me the information I would greatly appreciate it. I have been ordering from McMaster Carr in the past but they don't have seamless 316L tubing.

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #698 on:** May 20, 2008, 08:42:12 AM »

The experiment wont work, you need seamless

127.0.0.1 · « **Reply #699 on:** May 20, 2008, 09:56:37 AM »

jefferdink:

the best pricing on SS tubing i have seen is through MSC. i bookmarked the link. you need to be seated firmly in your chair before looking at pricing on 316L seamless SS tubing. you can get clear cast (the good stuff) acrylic tubing through freckleface.com. again, best prices i have seen. if you're cost-concious (and who isn't), go with extruded acrylic through one of the ebay vendors. here's the link to MSC:

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMPAGE=4088&PMT4NO=40028463&PMT4TP=*ITPD&PMITEM=01412758&PMCTLG=00

and the link to freckleface:
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/plasticmaterial.html

umm ok... on the brown gunk... does anyone know chemically what this is? i suspect it is iron-based and perhaps FeSO4 or some such. what i'm really interested in knowing is the exact chemical composition of what forms on the anode surface as the tubes are being conditioned. anyone have access to a GLC or other testing equipment to determine this? i think we should be able to get this nailed down.

j

127.0.0.1 · « **Reply #700 on:** May 20, 2008, 10:08:42 AM »

Quote from: razasunny54 on May 20, 2008, 03:14:55 AM

Hi,

Does any one know if ZnO can be coated on SS 304L/316L plates. I am trying to find companies who would do this.

Thanks

hi raza:

on the zinc plating, you may want to take a look at:
http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/zinc.htm

this is a DIY kit that could be very promising for an experiment or two. you can look at their main page for other types of kits that are available. SS tubes will require what's called a 'strike coat' first. you can read more at: http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/ssact.html

hope this helps.

j

lefferdink · « **Reply #701 on:** May 20, 2008, 04:46:23 PM »

Thanks guys for the excellent information.
Now I need to know: 1. The Vessel size. (WFC size, the clear tube,Acrylic) I have and think money wasted by me again is:4.719" inside diameter x .125 wall thickness x 3' in length. My intent is to use 8 or 9, 18" stainless 316L tubes like Stan's.
2. The top cap connection and the bottom cap to the WFC.
This time I am going to be patient with the project.
Thanks again guys

HydraGen · « **Reply #702 on:** May 29, 2008, 01:36:25 AM »

OK everybody, it seems that there is a LOT of information scattered throughout several different forums.
At this point I feel like my brain is going to explode trying to decipher the good info from all of the B.S.
So, my question is simply this if and I repeat IF someone has a truly operational unit then why can't we just post a complete set of diagrams, schematics, parts lists and instructions somewhere so we can all get a unit built and operational thus bringing everyone to the same level operationally speaking?
Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am an intelligent individual, but trying to wade through all the b.s. to get tidbits of info is getting very frustrating.

Agent_ArcAngeL · « **Reply #703 on:** June 06, 2008, 09:29:17 AM »

Greetings all,

I was wondering... what do you all recommend for regulating the current during the conditioning process that Ravi described?

... and what is the most economical way to do so?

Jokker · « **Reply #704 on:** June 11, 2008, 08:24:52 PM »

Anyway who is this guy who wants to test breakdown voltage "as diode"

In diode there is this effect named "PN junction"
And the breakdown is because of some kind of ionic avalanche. That is way it is so sudden.

Anyway im pretty much into this... also

Why are ya guys so much stuck to construction, coz so far as i see it got nothing to do with the idea: breaking H₂O by using resonating frequency.
Any1 have achieved something noticeable? Or lets put it this way anyone got "very" working idea how it is made and what are the problems to get it done.
Why this anode or katode need to be tube (ring form)

-Is it too complicated to find resonance frequency ?
-Is it really hard to keep this frequency?
-It is signal form ?
- anything else ?

And what it will look like if ill use looping frequency?

Where is his "Beach buggy car" by the way ? It will be very... very easy bait for ya guys.

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