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ashtweth_nihilisti

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #135 on: August 31, 2007, 05:24:20 AM »
Yes mramos, and the RV is the most efficient  .8-1HP electric motor in the world and MANY other things, if your 3/4 horse power drill can beat the RV i would like to see it. The RV does not buckle when loaded
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=8060034688864982719&hl=en-AU

The RV will significantly help Ravi's/Daves replication, as Dave used a single phase motor to turn the alt, the RV can do that more efficiently.

If you stuck to the guide line and instructions your RV will do the same
I have found a commojn them here, which i look upon in suspicion why people alter and change things, if you are to replicate the RV it will work, if you change things, (Ravi didnt) Do not expect them to do the same things.

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ashtweth

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #136 on: August 31, 2007, 07:24:39 AM »
Spewing: Dis is from pg 7 of dis thread





? Reply #66 on: August 28, 2007, 05:25:20 AM ?
Hi Stefan,

I do have an analogue DC Amp meter fixed in the Freq Gen. The digital meter I have was read on the range of 0 to 20A and the analogue shows almost the same but you can see that it keeps fluctuating with the pulse.....even thats at around 0.5A.

The voltage is straight DC from the AC to DC converter. Is there any thing else I might be missing?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taFrw3xxDow



Hydro the LED on the left part of the circuit is placed before the switch and you can see that when the switch is turned off the right LED doesn't blink and the current draw increases by more than four fold! The right LED is on pin 3 of the second 555. I hope this clears what you had in mind Hydro.

Ravi





Read the last para      >> when only a one part (left 555 in D14) of the frequency circuit is switched off the current draw increases by more than four fold    >> if you switch off the pulsing completely the draw could be more than eight fold

 >>pulsing IS important to reduce the current draw.....check video to confirm


Missing out on posted stuff again   :-\


Gh. J.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #137 on: August 31, 2007, 09:28:30 AM »
yup yup, but it is difficult to read with an amp meter.

what you have is a frequency within a frequency, the circuit on the right is the higher frequency, the circuit on the left is the lower.

when the frequency on the right is set, then the frequency on the left can also be set, so the pulses will be applied at 2 frequency's at the same time, if you can understand.

The Faster Frequency is being Pulsed "Threw" a Slower Frequency.

xogen patented some crazy frequency, much like lawtons, accept it apeared that they hooked a Triangle wave generator to Lawtons Circuit, thats as good as i can explain it.

Now, I have cleaned my tubes 3 times, GRUUU, i'm now going to try Ravis instructions from lawton on conditioning, it's a very time consuming process. i think i said something about reversing the polarity in the past, i don't think you should now that i understand a little more about it. 

and i have been doing a little more reading, it seems that if you try to condition to fast it wont work either, it is important to condition slow just as in ravis instructions. so that means that the guys with the battery chargers would need to have more amp settings, sorry guys but it looks like you'll need that lawton circuit for conditioning.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #138 on: August 31, 2007, 10:07:15 AM »


Probable reason why  RAVI    stressed on 316L Stainless Steel:


>>  316L has Molybdenum in its composition :o


The SS grade makes sense now.

Gh. J.



(picked from a parallel thread on this site)




Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
? Reply #633 on: August 30, 2007, 02:17:10 AM ?


For those that are interested, nickel and stainless electrodes that are high in Molybdenum content reportly produce more hydroxy than normal 316 stainless. Maybe these metals have some natural endothermic properties?

The chemical gallium and titanium oxide have been linked to solar hydrogen production. Pehaps these need further research as catalysts. 

Zinc has been known to produce hydrogen when exposed to extreme heat, so perhaps any reaction can be inproved through te use of hot electolyte?

Here are some interesting links:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/08/new-catalysts-t.html

Note the section in this article that says:

The gallium is a critical component because it hinders the formation of an aluminum oxide skin normally created on aluminum's surface after bonding with oxygen, a process called oxidation. This skin usually acts as a barrier and prevents oxygen from reacting with aluminum.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070827174310.htm

Thought this may be relevent to those attempting to prevent degradation of effect over time.

regards,

Runningbear

TheCell

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication -> alternating Current IS reqired
« Reply #139 on: August 31, 2007, 02:46:30 PM »
@Spewing

The chokes will surely do nothing (except they limit the current) , if you do not apply an alternating current to them.
This 'alternating current' will induct high voltage peeks into the chokes, which are known to improove the efficiency of the electrolysis.

In a youtube video someone has compared the straight current und pulsed current methods.
The pulsed current method was the better one.

If I could find the link ....

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #140 on: August 31, 2007, 03:22:58 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wlGm0zQmkk
From:  mozon1967
CONCLUSION? DC- NEEDED 6 TIMES THE POWER TO PRODUCE ONLY 4 TIME THE GAS AS THE PWM. BUT WAS THE PWM REALY MORE EFFICIENT? WAS THE EXCESIVE POWER USED BY THE DC CIRCUIT JUST LOST IN HEAT? MAYBE ONE MORE TEST IS NEEDED,DC @ 9AMPS, TO BE FAIR.
ALSO, WHAT KIND OF GAS WAS PRODUCED?
DID THE PWM PRODUCE H1 (MONATOMIC HYDROGEN) AS APOSED TO JUST PLAIN H2,
LIKE SOME PEOPLE SUGGEST? SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER TEST!  (less)
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So one is for sure : increasing the current will decrease the efficiency, you will only get more heat output.

The both methods will be only comparable , if you choose the same input power, not the same voltage.

Regarding the high efficiency-level that has been achieved (thisThread) , I can't imagine that it could be done without the use of any pulsing method.
People like John Aarons are building one cell after another and allways use straight current, with a lots of amps,without progress regarding efficiency.

This methods got to be compared.
Who is able to do it should post the result.
If there is'nt any advantage using the pulsed method compared to the straight current method, then the gain in HHO output would depend only upon the conditioning of the cell
(and thats joe cell related, which I can'nt believe)

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #141 on: August 31, 2007, 04:42:43 PM »
i'm aware of what inductors or chokes do, you apply a voltage across the inductor, the field coil will then create a magnetic field around it, once the "pulse" is removed from the inductor the magnetic field collapses. This leads to the inductor reversing Polarity,almost as if you raked a magnet across it. So this way there's never a neutral time between the pulsed source and wfc, it's always a positive potential when you're using a inductor.

The inductor also acts as a diode, since it reverses polarity when the voltage pulse is removed it blocks, when the blocking is taken place it can be better understood by looking at 2 AA batterys in parellel, Thats why it is important to have 2 chokes on both sides of the water fuel cell, when both inductors L1 and L2 Break Magnetic Fields is when T1 L1 and L2 Combine a parallel Series Form of whop ass to the wfc with the ability to source back not consuming amps.

They're also used as filters, To filter out Small Unwanted Frequencys, This could be why stan used a wiper arm inductor, he may wanted to tune in a particular frequency generated by the pulse generator.

The second that the pulsed dc arrives at the transformer its secondary output is a sine wave with ripples. that's what i was talking about in my other post, a fast frequency riding on top of a slower one, this would mean you have a transformer outputting a sine wave with ripples, where the sine wave output would be created by the primary lawton circuit, and the ripples created by the secondary lawton circuit.

Now you have a sine wave with ripples, and you're are going to add chokes that will Filter those ripples out!

So now you have to get technical and add a Variable Choke to the VIC so that you can now tune in the Desired Ripples Created by the secondary lawton circuit.

it's a very Flusterating task, i'm really confused about how stan figured all this out all by himself.

i do understand your concern TheCell, we all have them, right now we really need to get our conditioned tubes together and put our heads together. i'm very sorry for misleading people about the battery charger, i simply didn't know that you had to limit the speed at which you condition the tubes, but there is one guy over at the energetic forum who has an available circuit that claims to condition them faster. ? hrmmm

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #142 on: September 01, 2007, 02:44:08 AM »
I've just been thinking about the tube conditioning, correct me if I'm wrong, but what about immersing the tubes in sulphuric acid, hang them to dry then repeat the process a few times, this would build up an oxide layer on stainless steel tubes?

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #143 on: September 01, 2007, 04:23:50 AM »
I've just been thinking about the tube conditioning, correct me if I'm wrong, but what about immersing the tubes in sulphuric acid, hang them to dry then repeat the process a few times, this would build up an oxide layer on stainless steel tubes?

i really don't know, i noticed that water drying itself on the stainless causes a hard water spot, and it turns white, i've also learned that only the negative tube gets the coating not the positive one.

we really need to get to the bottom of this type of pasivating and learn how to speed it up. To condition like this is very hard.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #144 on: September 01, 2007, 05:26:45 AM »
Don't you mean the positive tube?
The negative only gives hydrogen, it's the positive that produces oxygen hence the oxide layer would appear on the positive.



i really don't know, i noticed that water drying itself on the stainless causes a hard water spot, and it turns white, i've also learned that only the negative tube gets the coating not the positive one.

we really need to get to the bottom of this type of pasivating and learn how to speed it up. To condition like this is very hard.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #145 on: September 01, 2007, 05:28:17 AM »
Hey Stef, over doing it a bit with these sponsored ads huh?

RunningBare

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #146 on: September 01, 2007, 05:45:34 AM »
Here is another idea for oxidising...

Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_oxide
Aluminium oxide is a good thermal insulator and electrical insulator. In its most commonly occurring crystalline form, called corundum or α-aluminum oxide, its hardness makes it suitable for use as an abrasive and as a component in cutting tools.

Aluminium oxide is responsible for metallic aluminium's resistance to weathering. Metallic aluminium is very reactive with atmospheric oxygen, and a thin passivation layer of alumina quickly forms on any exposed aluminium surface. This layer protects the metal from further oxidation.



I started an experiment earlier on today, with a piece of stainless steel connected to the negative and aluminum connected to the positive, I want to see if an aluminum oxide layer will form on the stainless steel.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #147 on: September 01, 2007, 06:08:16 AM »
i'm pretty sure the white coating forms on the negative lead and not the positive one.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #148 on: September 02, 2007, 09:11:19 AM »
@ runningbare-

Someone, or something, has gots to pay the freight.

I'm jes profoundly thankful this forum even exists- I'd never make it thru without all this information to digest.

Back to the heatlamp to metabolise...

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Gheller J

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #149 on: September 03, 2007, 03:43:19 PM »

                                         RUMOR ON SOME OF THE FORUMS??>>>>NOPE!





received info from some very reliable sources!!! onto personal mail.


              New updated D14 is going to be released within the next few days!!

      ::)


>>>Keep your eyes wide open  :o   I'll post it over here the minute I get my hands on to it   




>>>Some ppl hv been talking about bi-filar windings in other threads
>>>Check what Qiman13 / Aaron posted on youtube recently for Meyers WFC



LINK>>>                   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozpRNpM6FqM



Gh. J.