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Offline canufi

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1290 on: June 11, 2012, 11:24:30 PM »
  Canufi-
 
   Nature has wisdom gained by millions of years of trial and error.  Also you obviously don't know what heat is.  The hydrogen and oxygen leaving Stan's cells contain heat. 

Trial and error is random stupidity because you lack intelligence to do things right. Doing things right is called intelligent design.  Obviously nature is not intelligent, nor is it wise, nor is it designed - it's utterly stupid cruel violence.

Wolves, dogs, and dinosaurs running around killing animals is not wise, it's utter stupidity and Nazi species-ism (like racism). If God or Nature was wise, he would have given us Meat on trees instead of meat near animals arseholes. When you eat the breast  of a chicken or the arse of a cow, you are participating in the cruel violent stupidity of nature, not wisdom. Tesla  and Einstein figured this out quickly and wrote about how stupid killing animals really is.

A wise nature would have created meat on trees after thousands of years. Instead nature has produced Soya beans which cause farting. Nature is not wise, it is stupid. farting is stupid, as is soya.

The hydrogen and oxygen leaving Stan's cells should be chilly and cool down the water, freezing it, if Stan was stealing energy from the water.  Instead Stan's device remains at room temperature which means no heat is being stolen.   You obviously don't know what heat is. Heat doesn't exist, it is only in our imagination. When molecules move, our nerves sense heat even though heat doesn't exist as a separate entity. Movement of molecules affects our nerve endings. We made up heat as a useful lie.

You're obviously not very well studied up on Stan because if you had listened to his lectures you would have seen the diagram he drew where he said he was stealing energy from the Sun. He claimed the water once exiting the tail pipe of his dune buggy, would immediately be recharged by the sun.  That's why due to the conservation of energy, the device is not over unity, it's simply a solar device. However in order for this to be true, as Stan theorized, the Water would have to be cold at some point, or be de-energized in some way.

You obviously have no understanding of thermodynamics because if you did understand thermodynamics you'd know that in order to take energy from something you have to steal heat or steal mass - so the idea that Stan's device was stealing energy from somewhere would indeed imply that something had to get cold. You think, magically, that the water can be split apart without any energy being lost, and without heat being stolen, because you're ignorant of physics and science.

Stan was not so ignorant, so he theorized that his water was storing energy from sunlight and he was stealing that energy.  First he said it was radiant energy, then later he said it was sun energy.  He probably changed over to the Sun energy theory because he realized that "it came from Jesus" was not a proper explanation. 

Stan's devices may have simply been 70-80 percent efficient or maybe 95 percent efficient and were not over unity at all.... and he simply used batteries to get his car running down the road.  You can get a car down the road for a few hundred meters or a few kilometers on batteries by using the batteries to split the hydrogen. Then when you go home you charge up the batteries.

This could have been how Stan demonstrated his car to the news station on the highway - simply use a deep cell battery to produce hydrogen. That's not over unity.  Then go home and charge up the battery and the car can run again.

We know that he had to get his car started somehow so there had to be a battery in order to turn the starter motor..

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1291 on: June 12, 2012, 01:34:29 AM »
It is like a carpenter driving a nail.  He doesn't sit there and try to push the nail through the board does he.  He lifts the hammer and then adds energy for a long period of time and releases this energy in microseconds upon the nail.  Stan builds up the voltage in the cell using electrical resonance. 

What a stupid analogy. Energy comes from the muscles which requires sugar to be eaten and carbohydrates. This energy came from the sun to drive the nail into the wood. That's right your muscles had to waste lots of energy in order to drive the nail into the board. And you can drive a nail into a board using hydraulic pressure, there is no need to pulse the nail with your muscles, you can drive it in smoothly with a hydraulic press without any pulsing. Your analogy is utterly useless.

Building up voltage requires energy. Charging up a capacitor is costing energy. When you take a battery and hook up a capacitor to it, it's not free energy - the energy is being transferred from the battery over to the capacitor.

Your analogies and explanations are crackpot and quackery. Why do I bother suffering fools? Why suffer a fool?

Alternators instead of using permanent magnets also charge up coils and emulate magnetic fields, which costs energy. Once an electron moves through a circuit, you have current.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1292 on: June 12, 2012, 01:43:33 AM »
That's BS Canufi.

Trial and error has gotten us where we are now.

Some trial and error is needed, but we mostly use intelligence - whereas nature (like trees, and dinosaurs) is lacking intelligence.


It took millions of years for nature through stupid trial and error, to become intelligent over time.  I don't disagree that we are here because of trial and error - that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying our future depends much more on intelligence rather than stupidity and billions of years of trial and error. Trial and error takes a lot of time whereas intelligence allows you to develop something quick.

Our intelligence has allowed us to become extremely advanced civilizations in a short period of time.

Using math and quantum mechanics to design a computer processor is far more productive than going outside and doing random trial and error on grass.  To see if grass can turn into a computer why not do random trial and error experiments on grass and dandelions? how productive would that be, compared to using intelligence instead?

We don't randomly design buildings using trial and error, we use precise intelligent math and science.

If you built a house using trial and error, you'd waste a lot of lumber since it would continually fail. Instead we have intelligent mathematical and theoretical known design choices. A certain type of wood will withstand a certain amount of weight. Therefore we need not use trial and error for intelligent design, we simply use intelligence for intelligent design.

Sometimes trial and error is needed, but intelligence is always preferred over trial and error.

Nature is mostly trial and error, whereas humans are mostly intelligent.

There is absolutely no way anyone can tell me that dinosaurs running around killing each other through trial and error is a good thing. It's a provable bad thing, and stupid thing - there is no intelligence in a bunch of idiots consuming each other. Have you ever built a car or truck or electronic circuit that goes around killing and eating other electronic circuits? Do cars drive around killing other cars as their main purpose and goal in life?  Would that be intelligent design, to make cars that blow each other up like Muslim terrorists?

If the universe was intelligent, dinosaurs would have invented fire before we did.  We would have been given a manual to read, filled with intelligence - the bible would have told us to stop slavery and it would have told us how to build solar panels. Instead, the bible and other useless material is filled with utter nonsense including justifying the death of infidels (non believers) and black people since black people are evil and are from the devil. Mormons and Jehovahs believe that if a black person is a good person, eventually his skin will turn White.

You cannot tell me that most of our universe is intelligent or has wisdom - Humans have wisdom, but even humans are utterly stupid, just look at the crazy things Muslims believe or the God Hates Fags christians that hold up signs in southern USA.

A user named "h2opower" said that canadians are stupid and that we don't learn science up here.  I think it is exactly the opposite: Americans are stupid... especially the southern christian bible belt who thinks the earth is 6000 Years old. Kent Hovind is a fine example of american stupidity. Many americans, luckily, are not stupid though.  Even Japan is stupid - they recently had a nuclear disaster that is affecting canada.


All these morons using trial and error to get Stan's device working are naive.  Intelligently designing the device is much better.  Some trial and error morons have built stan's device without using any circuits.. they just continually put lots of current and amps through the device because they are too stupid to build the circuits. The circuits are the intelligence and key to gaining any results from stan's device, and here you have all these idiots on youtube pretending to replicate Stan's device, without using any circuits! They just focus on acoustic resonance of the pipes and the design of the water fuel cell, not the actual circuits that drive the cell.

We know for a fact that intelligent design is used when building a coil  - you don't randomly build a coil, you purposely and intelligently wrap the coil in a certain way to make it a coil, and not some random piece of grass outside. Does grass produce the same electricity as a coil? maybe! Let's do trial and error!  Let's see if using the grass outside will produce millions of volts of electricity if we put grass in our circuit! Or how about dandelions? The only way to tell is through trial and error! I'm going outside to try dandelions in an electric circuit!

Trial and error, although sometimes is useful, is also a complete waste of time.  You would never build a house using pure trial and error, we would use well known building principles and intelligence. I would also not build a bridge using random trial and error, I would immediately look into engineering books and science to build a bridge.  I may also intelligently come up with a completely brand new bridge design, but I'm not going to kill millions of people through trial and error to prove that the bridge fails. The people on youtube replicating stan meyer's work can potentially kill themselves when they release the hydrogen in their homes and someone lights up a cigarette. I already saw Irondmax light fire to his dune buggy by accident when the hydrogen didn't fully enter the CIS fuel injection plate.  Intelligent design would be using a flashback arrestor or anti spark back device...   Whereas trial and error would be catching your garage on fire and possibly killing yourself..

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1293 on: June 12, 2012, 02:18:59 AM »
So how was the audion discovered back in 1906 by Lee de Forest?
He placed a grid between the anode and the cathode.
You think he KNEW he was going to invent the Triode?

No way buddy that was a direct result of creative trial and error.

If the Bible had explained it to us there would be no need for trial and error.

Since the bible contains the word of God, obviously it should contain guidelines on how to solve all our problems.

The islam book (koran) should also contain all the information we need.

Trial and error is time consuming and costly - it is a definite bad thing. Trial and error needs to be done, but it is not a good thing. the dinosaurs needed to kill each other to live, does that make it a good thing?

You're advertising trial and error as if it is a good thing, when in fact you know very well it is a bad thing.  Intelligently designed universe would simply give us a Bible that told us everything - that's what christians think.

when christians actually go to build a house they use science, not the bible. Because science contains well known intelligent guidelines and the book of God contains nothing but bull crap.

I'll say it again: trial and error is needed, but that doesn't make it a good thing - it makes the universe a bad place. Our job is to reduce trial and error as much as we can and put all our knowledge into text books and on website articles so that we need not do trial and error.

If Stan's device actually works as described in his patents, there is no need for trial and error since the trial and error had already been done by someone else. 

You're missing my point. Just because trial and error has worked in the past, like for example we invented fire and matches, doesn't mean that trial and error is good! I would have much preferred for example if the Bible had explained to us how to build electrical devices instead of us figuring it out through trial and error! If God told us all the stuff Tesla did, there would be no need for tesla to nearly kill himself working with high volts, because God had already provided us the manual with the intelligence!  You're not understanding what I'm saying... 

Trial and error costs us millions of lives... if it was all written down intelligently in the bible or in science books, we wouldn't need to kill and starve our selves.  The perfect example of the universe being full of stupidity, is Africa, where people starve to death every day.  How is that intelligent? 

Wouldn't it be nice if there was an intelligent science book or bible that told us an intelligent solution to how to stop killing all those africans?  should we slowly by trial and error find a way to stop the africans from being killed? I think the solution is to intelligently approach the problem - turn africa into a resource selling capitalist product producing country. They have lots of resources, so they just need to intelligently start selling off those resources and becoming a large exporter.   We also need cheaper energy, and Brownian Motion and molecular spin must be intelligently understood in order to tap into this energy.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1294 on: June 12, 2012, 04:37:46 PM »
  The electric field can and does do work.  It is the electric field of the ultraviolet electromagnetic rays that rip the electrons out of oxygen molecules.  It is the electric field of the infrared electromagnetic radiation that heats up water.  You face a radiant tube heater your face gets warm.  The infrared wavelength photon has resulted in molecular vibration of the water in your face.  Your face becomes heated (whatever heat is).  In a resonant electrical circut for a given amount of energy put in a large portion of the energy stays in the circuit.  Some is radiated in the resistance of the conductors and unwanted capacitance and inductance cropping up but a good oscillator should be able to hold on to 80 percent of the energy introduced into it's field. So you put a thousand watts in there. Then you are going to have to maintain the oscillations as the resistance of the circuit is going to dampen the oscillations.  The resonance allows us to get very high voltages far exceeding the input scource and large amounts of currents or very dense magnetic fields.  Take the voltage and create an electric field between two conductors.  Inject a water molecule between the two conductors forming the capacitor.  The electron orbitals of the oxygen molecule are already messed up in a "polarized" water molecule.
This is why water will align itself with an electric field because the electric field is polar.  Once the water molecule is aligned the electric field starts to deform the oxygen valence orbitals.  The electrons (if you want to go with Bohr's model) will statistically spend more time near the positive side of the electric field.  This does not just happen to the valence orbitals which are thought to be responsible for all chemical reactions it goes deeper into the oxygen electron atmosphere.
The neuclear core of the oxygen and  proton is exposed.  The molecule explodes.  The exposed oxygen proton with all it's 16 protons drives the hydrogen protons away in a coolumb explosion.  Valence shell deformation resulting in a columb explosion in a static electric field.  Mass to energy. 
    The wave train we see in Stan's patents has a very steep rise and fall.  It is pulsed dc.  If it was steady dc the ions in the water would simply result in a current.  The analogue voltage rises until the capacitor is discharged to energise the inductors aka chokes at the resonant frequency.  The transition from high to low or the pulses being stored in the capacitor is taking the static electric field and modulating it's strength at  very short transititons.  This allows for the timing needed to shift the orbitals.  It is the effect Tesla discovered by accident when he was trying to create a safe way to connect dc dynamos to a network.  The coronal discharge throughout the plants were electrocuting people in Edison's energy factories.  Somehow just connecting the generator was multiplying the voltage in a portion of the line.  The shock wave or transient on connection was highly energetic.  The stinging things were alpha radiation ejected by the exploding water molecules near the test shunt.  The pressure was from the phase change of h20 aqueous to monatomic hydrogen gas and monatomic oxygen.  Their recombination was at a slower rate than there production therefore a pressure was felt as the field was displaced.
  Henry Ford's guys had an automobile that ran on water way back.  The exhaust  was analyzed and found to be radioactive.  A large percentage of the Earth's water is heavy.  When you fracture water you not only get alpha radiation you get neutrons.  Neutrons only live for 12 seconds then they go back to being protons and release gamma radiation.  Gamma radiation has a real short electric field and therefore goes to work within the neuclear core.  This event then results in proton neutron seperation.  The neutron degrades back to a proton and gamma which then can result in a chain reaction.  Unfortunately idiots hell bent on the destruction of the Earth find it necessary to collect and purify neutron rich elements so they can get maximum wattage from their neutron fuel scavenging and plundering..  Fucking idiots all of them.  Modern day cavemen gathering up fuel to feed a fire.
    Ask any physicist: Is water an energy scource:  if he replies,  of course it has mass listen to what this person has to say.  If he starts spouting all sorts of unfathomable references to theoretical physicists mathmatical descriptions of the submicroscopic world move on.  This guy is either brainwashed,  relying  heavily on the abstract art of mathmatics to interpert real world events,  or straight out lieing to fulfill one agenda or another.
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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1296 on: June 14, 2012, 07:15:30 PM »
Thanks sparks - good info.  I think it's been said many times the real reason we are using Uranium and radioactive elements for nuclear power is so they can have an excuse for weapons materials.  Even the waste (depleted uranium) from nuclear reactors is used in bullets even though a concept has been found to deactivate the danger from such waste.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1297 on: June 17, 2012, 01:34:32 AM »
    Don't know if it is relavent but from the mouth of babes.  This kid loves his Dad so much he is making a video to let his Dad know he shares his interest in burning water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzYUR_CTSc

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1298 on: June 17, 2012, 05:32:56 PM »
   After reviewing sm's cells at work I don't believe his wfc wasn't producing hydrogen at all.  It is producing water vapor. Simply breaking the polar bonds of water molecules.  You can add salt to water and it does this but the water molecules remain in the solution.  The water molecules remain under low pressure until they are finally in the combusion chamber.  On the way to the combustion chamber they pass through an ozone machine that uses coronal effects to do it's work and no conventional current at all.  Hydrogen was not the only thing injected into the oxygen rich combusion chamber.  You have ozone in there-hydroxide ions-water vapor-all sorts of goodies.  His first car design did this all seperately.  His ozone production was at one spot.  He even went to the extent of producing o4 which is highly reactive.  He produces the water vapor in his wfc then mixes them all on the intake stroke of the piston.  Compresses this mixture and introduces conventional plasma ignition of the mixture.  You have to understand that his injector was a combination of all the processes except the wfc and the lazer production of 04.  His electron extraction circuit is used to insure that o3 or o4 doesn't pickup electrons and simply form oxygen.  He needs the reaction to take place in the combustion chamber.  And he needs a reaction rate that is the equivalent of hydrogen bond substitution of a long chain hydrocarbon.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1299 on: June 17, 2012, 06:36:20 PM »
Good sparks, good.... ;) However using all this for run combustion engine is a huge waste of time.... It's like using electricity to run steam engine...
I wish God doesn't allow this kind of usage.I know what is the best usage for this invention and I hope I will return to it in future after liberation myself from other tasks...

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1300 on: June 17, 2012, 10:00:50 PM »
@forest
 
    SM was totally motivated to convert ICE engines to run on water simply to reduce tensions in the middle east.  He was trying to make them affordable or retrofittable to anything running on oil.  He may well have had a battery on board that was running the whole deal.  Domestic electrical energy is not reliant on crude.  Small percentage but most of it comes from coal, neuclear,waterfalls.  Stan was trying to avert world war 3.  It would have been a great stop gap measure to allow time for renewables to take hold.  Still is.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1301 on: June 17, 2012, 10:21:31 PM »
@forest
 
    SM was totally motivated to convert ICE engines to run on water simply to reduce tensions in the middle east.  He was trying to make them affordable or retrofittable to anything running on oil.  He may well have had a battery on board that was running the whole deal.  Domestic electrical energy is not reliant on crude.  Small percentage but most of it comes from coal, neuclear,waterfalls.  Stan was trying to avert world war 3.  It would have been a great stop gap measure to allow time for renewables to take hold.  Still is.

That's quite opptosite to my understanding. He didn't thought about tension in middle east, just about oil embargo in late 70'ties causing crisis. Did he really thought he could stop usage of oil everywhere , I have no idea, such move would not avert world war 3, I hardly imagine anything could, except change in human souls.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1302 on: June 18, 2012, 10:54:30 PM »
     I know forrest where your coming from.  Stan was definitely one confused individual. 

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1303 on: July 08, 2012, 10:28:53 PM »
Hi,

 I am an engineering student. I've been studying Stanley Meyer's research works for the past few months. Now I have started constructing a wfc with the following specifications.

Grade of Stainless Steel tubes - 316L

Outter Tube OD - 25.4mm (1 inch)
Thickness - 2mm

Inner Tube OD - 19.05mm (3/4 inch)
Thickness - 2mm

I'm using the Dave lawton circuit

I assembled the tubes and  connected it to the circuit. When I turned on the circuit for the first time keeping the assembled tubes in a bucket  of water I saw a few bubbles coming out from the small gap and the ammeter showed a reading of 3.7amps. I tried to vary the current by adjusting the knobs in the circuit, but I don't see any variation in the value. Anyway I left the tubes for conditioning.

I constantly change the water as the brown muck forms. As the inner tube gets the white coating the the current draw is reduced to 2.5amps and I'm keeping on conditioning the tubes but the current draw does not seem to go down any further. The inner tube is fully coated with the white stuff and the production of gas has not reached its expected rate.

Now my question is, 1) why I'm not able to vary the current?
                                 2) I can see that the inner tubes are fully covered with the white stuff, should I have to keep on conditioning even after                                                                 this point? and for how long?
                                 
A lot of questions about the frequency, inductors, troid, VIC etc  keeps on confusing me . I tried to gather information over internet but I don't get clear idea about those things. Please help me.


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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #1304 on: July 08, 2012, 11:13:46 PM »
Take a look at this forum. You will find more activity there.

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=4