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Author Topic: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...  (Read 39774 times)

Offline ZL

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2016, 09:26:00 AM »
Kator01,

You're welcome.

I am aware of the fact that the full understanding of Janos' paper is very demanding, and there are very few people even among FE researchers who are up to the task. This was the reason for writing a simplified explanation of the principle, which on the other hand supposed to be simple enough for all technically oriented people to understand. If it is still too complicated, then let me know, because then I (or someone else) have to write an even more simplified presentation. The basic principle is trivially simple, it should be taught in all high schools and above.

The real reason why people can not buy their own free energy generators today is not the lack of intelligence, or knowledge, or technology. The reason is the presence of an oppressive (often not very) hidden power that keeps humanity in virtual slavery. If all the people would have their own free energy source, then they would gain independence and freedom, and the Cabal would lose their power and control over the population. You may understand that as long as they are in power, they will not allow this to happen.

They may allow a few people, or few groups of people to make and use their own FE generators for their own benefit, as long as it is not spreading to the general population. The Cabal is thinking in statistics when the control of the population is concerned. This is the tiny open niche that serious FE researchers who have the means to put knowledge into practice may exploit for their own benefit.

For the rest of the FE researchers remains a very important and noble task to fulfill, which is to find the golden needle of real and true FE principles in the haystack of hoaxes and deception created by the disinfo agents of the elite, and preserve it for the next generations. Another task is to spread the knowledge right now. The more people know about it, the more chance there is for its ultimate success. There is a good chance that FE generators will not be sold to the public in my lifetime, or perhaps not even during the next 100 years. But a time may come when the oppression weakens enough to allow the development and open usage of FE generators. When that time comes, then even one single preserved copy of Vajda's paper can open a new era for humanity by granting them real freedom and prosperity. Do you readers want to be one link in the chain that makes this possible?

So how can a FE researcher differentiate between hoaxes and real FE generators or principles? There are two ways.
1. One is using knowledge, intelligence, and diligence to find FE discoveries, inventions that can be theoretically validated and proved, because their principles are based on already known and tested laws of nature. There are very few FE principles that allow this path. One of them is the principle of wave interference that we have discussed. Naturally if you have the expertise and/or enough money, you can also test and build such devices and use them in practice right now. But you can differentiate it from the hoaxes and recognize its great value even if you have no money to test it in practice, just by pure logic and knowledge.

2. The other way of separating the golden needle for the haystack is to use intuition, money, and elbow grease, build the proposed device and see if it really produces excess energy or not. The less knowledge, and intelligence one has, the more money and work he will have to invest (and lose). The great majority of online FE research is confined to this category, which is the exact reason why the Cabal disinfo agents are creating and maintaining such an avalanche of fake FE inventions. If you would want to test them all, you could spend millions of dollars and your whole lifetime would not be enough. At the end you could become an expert hoax buster, but you would still not find the real gem, because those are not popular, the real gems are suppressed, hidden, falsified and corrupted. People are attracted by the popular FE fads, by the great buzz of chatting about it, hoping, and that is the glue on the fly paper.

If you want to preserve this true gem that can grant real freedom and prosperity to your grandchildren or later generations, I suggest you to print it on paper with ink that can withstand the rigors of time (ex. laser print), because there is no guarantee that any digital format in use today will be readable a century later. This noble act does not mean that you can do nothing else in the present to help the cause. Spreading the truth and developing devices based on the principle are the present noble tasks.



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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2016, 10:20:14 AM »
Induction, resonance , I barely see third option. Wave interference seems to be part of resonance game.

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2016, 03:18:49 PM »
Forest,

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Induction, resonance , I barely see third option. Wave interference seems to be part of resonance game.

Is this the announcement of great wisdom that bears no critique, or do you want to read the opinion of others (and myself) about this claim?

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2016, 03:18:49 PM »
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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2016, 03:47:04 PM »
Opinions please. ::) 

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2016, 04:04:18 PM »
You probably know perfectly that in the antenna of resonant circuit there are stationary waves and power multiplication of many many times. The only problem is to tap this energy.
The same could be reached using induction with proper ampere-turns, the same problems. While those probles seems unsuperable it is only a technical problem, many solutions were found and patented in the past.

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2016, 05:17:14 PM »
ZL
a more interesting topic would be hard to imagine ? [seeing as how we are here and this is what we like to do here ]

how to touch the antenna array and not stifle the effect ?..perhaps the ground will help under proper conditions ?
or just a well engineered system ?

Have you any simple experiments ?

thanks for the reboot on this topic !!

I did spread it around a bit
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20410-reboot-free-energy-wave-fields-working-principal.html

Chet K


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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2016, 05:47:57 PM »
Forest,

If you write a comment in telegram style, then you deserve a response in kind.   ::)
Anyway, here is my opinion:

The paper of Janos has proved that it is possible to generate free energy in wave fields where the excess energy comes from wave interference in free space and not from induction. If you have read his paper (or my simplified explanation), then I don't understand why do you ignore this fact, and say that you barely see any other option for generating free energy, than via induction and resonance. Remember that even though the reception of EM waves in antennas involves the principle of induction, it is only a secondary phenomena. The excess energy is not generated by induction, but by wave superposition in free space.

You also imply that resonance is the ultimate key phenomena that generates free energy, and interference is only of secondary importance that automatically must be part of all resonant systems. This is an inappropriate oversimplification.

If the source of excess energy in a resonant system is wave interference, then the resonance is of secondary importance, it serves only to make the interference possible. But resonance in itself generates no excess energy if the amplification of power in the process of interference is not present, and certain obstacles are not eliminated.

If on the other hand by "induction" you refer to ferromagnetic devices where the FE principle is not based on wave superposition but rather on nonlinear effects, then of course wave interference is not even part of the resonance game you refer to.

If by "induction" you refer to simple magnetic induction without the presence of magnetic materials, then you will surely not get any free energy, because that is a linear reciprocal process which by definition prevents FE generation.

You see, a one line generalization leads to confusion, because your audience has to guess exactly what are you trying to claim.
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OK I have just read your second post, so here is some more input about the subject of resonance in FE subjects. Resonance is an over-hyped slogan among FE researchers, when they imply that the phenomena of resonance itself generates excess energy. This is far from the truth. If it would be true, then all resonant systems would produce excess energy, and there would be no need for any research, expertise, or inventive talent. You could just build a resonant cavity, feed it with resonant frequencies, and there you go, you could extract as much free energy as you want. The fact that this is not so supposed to reveal, that the key principle that multiplies the energy is not a simple resonance in itself, but something else.

There is one exception to this insight and that is when the FE principle is based on the destruction of substances into their components. What does a simple resonant system do? It accumulates energy in oscillations. This does not mean that it creates excess energy in that process, because you will have to input the same amount of energy that it contains. However, if you increase the amplitude of the oscillations of the molecules of a substance like water, it may be possible to break it up into its components with less energy than it would produce when recombined. So resonant systems in their simple forms are only energy accumulators which are great at breaking things up, and destroying material, but they are not FE generators in themselves. If you gain more heat energy by burning H2 and O that you produced by breaking up water in resonant cavities, then the FE principle of the device is the artificial breaking of reciprocal action-reaction process, where molecular processes are involved.

A standing wave in a simple resonator will not generate excess energy as long as the reciprocal action-reaction interaction is not broken in some cleaver way. This is so, because as the amplitude within the resonator increases, the amplitude of the input signal will also have to increase in order to be able to feed more energy into it. Therefore the input power will also have to increase in such a way, that there is no net energy gain.

Please note, that above I refereed to simple resonators or resonant systems that are used in everyday practice (they produce no excess energy). But this does not mean, that it is not possible to make special resonators that break reciprocal interaction between the input and the energy within the system (and/or output), which could enable the principle of wave interference to produce excess energy. But again, even in these special resonators, the free energy generating principle is not the resonance itself, but the wave interference combined with the trick that breaks the symmetry.

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The same could be reached using induction with proper ampere-turns, the same problems. While those probles seems unsuperable it is only a technical problem, many solutions were found and patented in the past.

Well, this again sounds as if you would have already tested this and found to be true.  Meaning, you already have built your own FE generator because you have solved this minor "technical problem" either on your own, or taken from one of your mentioned patents. If this is indeed true, then I am all ears and eyes to see your FE principle either proven mathematically, or working in practice.

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2016, 06:27:00 PM »
ramset,

Thanks for spreading the word. Actually by doing this you do a much greater favor to the people, than to me or Janos.

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how to touch the antenna array and not stifle the effect ?..perhaps the ground will help under proper conditions ?
or just a well engineered system ?

This was the first thing I have suggested to Janos when he started to explain his discovery, namely "why don't we just create standing waves in a wave guide, let the amplitude increase, and extract the excess energy". Then he had a big smile and explained that we can not extract excess energy from standing waves in such a simple device. It is much more tricky than one could imagine at first sight. This is the reason why his invention was not based on tapping standing waves in simple wave guides (or resonators), but rather on the radiation and collection of propagating waves into/from free space using two (or more) antennas.

I do have a measurement plan designed by Janos. If you are interested I can upload it to my new website.

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thanks for the reboot on this topic !!

you're welcome.

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2016, 08:17:25 PM »
ramset,

Thanks for spreading the word. Actually by doing this you do a much greater favor to the people, than to me or Janos.

This was the first thing I have suggested to Janos when he started to explain his discovery, namely "why don't we just create standing waves in a wave guide, let the amplitude increase, and extract the excess energy". Then he had a big smile and explained that we can not extract excess energy from standing waves in such a simple device. It is much more tricky than one could imagine at first sight. This is the reason why his invention was not based on tapping standing waves in simple wave guides (or resonators), but rather on the radiation and collection of propagating waves into/from free space using two (or more) antennas.

I do have a measurement plan designed by Janos. If you are interested I can upload it to my new website.

you're welcome.


I don't understand your opposition to my statement about resonance. It's prefectly clear that Janos used the resonance with antenna proper construction exactly as I said. The excess of energy is never the interference of fields, it's the excess of magnetic field generated by whatever reason which by induction is converted to electric power - is the source. The only problem is the re-action of this field - so called Lenz law. But if you make a field outside of the generator so it cannot change the parameters of generating part then you have a source of free energy...The same did Tesla with his magnifying transmitter and receivers....
You can have that in space or you can have that in properly constructed apparatus...
I have no experience to build it, that would require a lot of genious without costly tools, especially in higher frequencies.

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2016, 08:19:51 PM »
ZL


I found your post 36 most refreshing unlike most posts in these forums.


What you put into that post I agree nearly 100%.


I don't post much here, but this topic is of interest for me and of my past. I agree that the term resonance has been used totally out of context, here I have posted a spectrum of a circuit which I still play with from time to time. This is the result of two frequencies ( not frequency mixing ), like you have said, you can take two frequencies in free space and they will react totally different to a frequency "mixer".


Many years ago I used two frequencies injected into water mist to break the bonds in water, that got me into a lot of trouble and guess what, I found it out by accident. Yes I know what you mean by resonance is not the road to FE.


Now look at the SA picture, look at the amplitude and the result of two frequencies hitting one another. The input was only one frequency, this was then used to create a second frequency, which was then put head on with the original, it is nearly all passive and can be all passive components, this one was all passive.


Won't be posting here again, just thought that your post was most refreshing.


Regards


Mike 8)

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #40 on: February 29, 2016, 02:51:50 AM »
ZL
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I do have a measurement plan designed by Janos. If you are interested I can upload it to my new website.

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That would be  nice to see

Thx
Chet

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #41 on: February 29, 2016, 06:13:39 PM »

Centraflow,

Thanks for chiming in and for your support.
I know what you meant about the quality of many posts on public forums.
It was not my intention either to start regular posting here, or on any other popular public forum. Just wanted to update the link to my new site to make it easier for people to find it, without digging at archives.com. But now that I have signed up why not to respond to some select posts, as long as it does not take too much time and effort?

Good luck with you circuit and research.


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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #42 on: February 29, 2016, 06:25:48 PM »
Ramset,

Your requested measurement plan has been updated and uploaded to my website. It can be found at:

Measurements for determining the radiant power balance of dipole radiators in reflection free environment
https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/measurement-of-energy-conservation/

A pdf version is also available there. If you (or someone you know) perform the measurement, please let me know your results.

For this favor now you owe me to proofread the text and let me know the linguistic errors, so that I can clean it up and make it more readable.  8)

Just joking, you do not owe me anything, but it would be helpful if you (or anyone else who's mother tongue is English) could accept the task.

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #43 on: February 29, 2016, 11:49:07 PM »
ZL
Thank you for the posting ,it would seem that there should be a path towards further investigation ?
When I get back from this road trip ,i will reach out for you again and perhaps we can discuss a solution for
Advancing this and making the inventor happy ?

Respectfully
Chet K

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2016, 01:40:32 PM »
Ramset,

We have published more than enough information for you (or for anyone) to make an accurate independent verification very easy. I don't see why you are using such uncertain and wage expressions. If you have got the equipment and expertise, or money to hire them, then it is only question of time and effort to obtain guaranteed results.

To significantly "advance" the subject you will need a bit more than that.

Making the inventor happy? Why, have you got few million dollars that you don't need? Can you get a CPT patent approved for his invention? I doubt it.

So it is better to just take humble steps and don't rise unrealistic hopes. But as I have already mentioned, you could surely help the cause right now by simply proofreading important translations. Why didn't you offer this kind of realistic help?  ???

Have a nice trip. :)

 

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