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Author Topic: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...  (Read 39815 times)

Offline tao

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The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« on: August 17, 2007, 09:29:35 PM »
It was last year when I originally posted this information. At that time I was talking to the author of the webpage who was in communication with the inventor, who HAS A WORKING DEVICE. This inventor's name is Janos Vajda.

I noticed today that the original website where I got all this information is now GONE from the internet, unretrievable. So, I am not only going to re-post my original post here, but I am going to post a snapshot of his original site, and of most importance, Janos's 47 page scientific paper on how you achieve free energy using these methods!

I would like to point out a post I found online from Bob Boyce, slightly confirming the effects outlined in the below paper, making Bob's post a second reference to the viability of getting Free Energy from wave fields! Bob describes using 3 waves instead of two, but that works just the same as Janos's...

Here is Bob's post that I found on OUPower:


Very good link Kevin

Now consider this. Using a similar principle, consider what takes place when 3 wave fronts collide from 120 degrees apart. In water, this produces very very high amplitude peaks known as "triangle waves". You might wish to look this up if you don't understand how much more of an impact adding 3 correctly timed waves can cause.

Water does not behave quite the same as EM fields however, as we can overlap EM fields of different frequencies within the same physical space. In this manner, we can produce a greater combined impact, especially if the EM fields are harmonically related. This is what the PWM3E/PWM3F series allows, triple waveform generation at a simple level. A proof of concept device that allows people to experiment up to a level that they can try to understand and feel comfortable with.

Going beyond the PWM3 is the next logical step of course. In working with EM fields, the interactions at, and around, the focal point, can be finely manipulated via precision phase control of the applied energies. Thus we can steer the locations, amplitudes, and behavior, of these disturbances precisely where we want them to be. This is where the next generation, the HexController, comes into play. I will leave discussion of that for the future.

Bob




Here is the original post I made last year (I had to go through and modify all the image links, and all the links at the bottom because the Hungarian site is long gone now):


I figure now is as good a time as any to drop a BOMB OF COINCIDENCE concerning SM's words and a REAL phenomenon....

Without further adou:


I came across a Hungarian website where this man Zoltan Losonc setup a nice little site with many different COMPLETE scientific analyses, which are VERY nicely done, of various different 'free energy' processes/proposals. But, the headliner of his site would have to be from his interactions with an individual by the name of Janos Vajda who "dedicated his whole life to the science, specifically to the microwave technology. He worked with radio locators mainly for the military forces, and had several inventions in the field of microwave technology."

Well, this man Zoltan has put together a nice intro to the process, and even a nice sumation of the works of Janos Vajda.

Here is how its gonna go. The first section below will give Zoltan's full introduction, the second section will give Zoltan's summation, and the third section will be written by me and outlining how Janos's work can work JUST like SM's and will show many quotes from SM laying evidence to the similarities. 

Read Janos's 47 page paper, which is at the bottom, if you want a more complete scientific study of how and why you can get Free Energy from wave fields...........





START SECTION ONE
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Zoltan's full introduction
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Free energy from wave-fields

The free energy research is pursued mostly by enthusiastic people, who do not have full trust in the validity of the official scientific knowledge; thus they are not blocked in this endeavor by the postulate about energy preservation. Sometimes open-minded professionals (engineers, physicists, and professors) also recognize that there is something wrong with this postulate, since the practice contradicts it under certain conditions. If an intelligent researcher does not considers the dogmas of the official science to be a higher authority than the nature itself, then he has to yield to the sound reason and acknowledge and research the truth.

I would like to present one such case. There is an engineer in Hungary Janos Vajda who dedicated his whole life to the science, specifically to the microwave technology. He worked with radio locators mainly for the military forces, and had several inventions in the field of microwave technology. Since many of his measurements proved that the energy preservation thesis is not generally valid in wave-fields, he started to seriously research this "unbelievable" phenomena also from theoretical point of view, to see where is the mistake in the official scientific approach that upholds the validity of energy preservation under all circumstances. As the result of many years of research he succeeded to scientifically prove (with the classical scientific methods and formulas - i.e. without any new "mystical" theory) that the law of energy preservation is not valid in general sense for the wave-fields, but it can be satisfied only in special cases; thus it can not be considered as a valid postulate. He has written a study about his discovery which has been published in Hungary in 1998 in booklet format (on paper). Now the study is translated into English and published for the first time on this site as a free-ware, for the benefit of all free energy researchers.

This paper is not a theory proposal nor a hypothesis but it is a scientific proof, which has been already confirmed by exact measurement results (actually the measurements were first and the theoretical proof has been developed later). In order to develop a free energy machine based on this principle, you do not need anybody else?s additional discovery, new theory or new recognition. It is sufficient (and necessary) to posses expertise in conventional microwave technology and some inventive talent to solve practical problems, to understand - and overcome - some hidden obstacles.

This study is a scientific authority in itself, and originally it was meant for the scientific community to disprove the erroneously assumed general validity of energy preservation law, and convince them to listen to the sound reason and correct the official interpretation of this postulate. The official science rejects the possibility of producing free energy, since nobody could provide a scientific proof (using the already known scientific correlations and methodology), how would it be possible to explain that phenomena (exact mathematical proof is required). Now this study has achieved exactly this goal (to provide the scientific proof), and no scientist can contradict the validity of this paper without running into contradiction in terms himself. So all free energy researchers can use this paper as a scientific background and support for their research and promotional work.

Besides its theoretical significance it provides a scientific base for the development of very efficient, clean and relatively cheap free energy converters. In this case there is no need to thinker away with strange devices. Everything can be calculated, and after understanding this study thoroughly, a microwave expert should be able to develop free energy devices utilizing this principle. There is no need to research and find out new physical laws, and construct some foggy and questionable new theories for this to succeed.

The title of the study written by Janos Vajda is ?Violation of The Energy Thesis in Wave-Fields ?. Since primarily it was meant for the people of science - as an exact scientific paper - it contains a lot of equations, which might discourage many people from reading it (since for its understanding the knowledge of higher mathematics is required). But even if you can not understand the mathematical demonstration now, it is worth saving the complete study to your computer for later reference, as it has great scientific significance which will become evident only later. You can use it as a scientific evidence about the invalidity of the energy preservation in wave-fields, and as a firm base that justifies and urges further investigations in the field of free energy research. It is enough to read the explanations and very important conclusions (leaving the mathematics aside) in the study, to get a picture about the essence of the discovery.

Mr. Vajda has invented a free energy device based on these principles and a patent application has been filed (Title: APPARATUS FOR GENERATING AND UTILIZING SURPLUS ENERGY BY MEANS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES, Number: P9601424, Application filed: 05/28/1996). If anyone wishes to invest into the full development and utilization of that invention, (or into book-format publishing of his study) please contact us. Please note that Mr. Vajda and myself do not share the same approach and opinion whether the complete information about a free energy invention should be shared with the public freely or not. He have spent too much time, energy and money for the invention, and therefore wants to have some guarantee that he will get the deserved remuneration for his hard work. Therefore at present I am not authorized to disclose much information about his invention to the public. I would like to ask you also, not to draw any conclusion about Mr. Vajda's study and invention based on the rest of the information that you will find on this site later. In the case you would find something incorrect on this site, it is solely my fault and it should not be associated with Mr. Vajda.


END SECTION ONE



START SECTION TWO
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Zoltan's summation
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Simplified explanation how to gain free energy from wave-fields

The basic principle of deriving free energy from wave-fields can be understood even without higher mathematics. If we would have to summarize the essence of Mr. Vajda?s discovery in few sentences without maths, the following explanation could be given:

When two waves with identical polarization, frequency, phase and amplitude propagate in the same direction and meet (and merge) in free space, then their amplitudes will add together and the amplitude of the resultant wave will be double that of a single input wave. This physical phenomenon is called superposition or interference of the waves, when (under the above conditions) the
amplitude of the resultant wave is calculated by simply adding together the amplitudes of the incoming waves.
The energy content of a wave is directly proportional with the square of its amplitude. This fact has a profound impact on the energy balance of the wave-fields.
Calculating the energy balance of the above example, we get that if two units of energy enter the system, then the energy of the output resultant wave will be (calculated as the square of the
resultant?s amplitude, that is) four times that of one single input wave (and not only double). As we see, two units of energy enter the system and four units leave, that means we have gained two times more energy then what we have feed into it. If we take two units of energy from the output and feed it back into the input, then there are still two units remaining for utilization and the process can go on continuously.



Longitudinal waves

The above rough explanation can serve as a first step approximation towards the understanding of the phenomena, but for its more specific and exact demonstration the use of some mathematics is unavoidable. Now let?s try to understand it more exactly with the use of some calculations but still avoiding higher mathematics.

Let us consider two identical low intensity three dimensional waves propagating in the same direction freely in a medium (e.g. sound waves in air) to be the time function of sine (or cosine). Then at a fixed point in space they can be described as:
(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image1.gif) and (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image2.gif)

using notification: p1 and p2 ? momentary values of pressure change, p0 ? amplitude of pressure oscillation, (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image3.gif) where f is the frequency, t ? time.

When they meet in space and by merging together produce a resultant wave, then the time-function of the resultant wave can be calculated using the principle of superposition:

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image4.gif)
(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image5.gif)

For the sake of illustration in fig. 1 we have taken the value of p0 = 10-9 atm.

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image6.gif)
Fig. 1

We can see that the amplitude of the resultant wave is 2p0 that is 2 times the amplitude of a single incoming wave p0.

The time mean value of the energy density (energy content per unit volume) of a longitudinal wave propagating in a medium is calculated as:

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image7.gif)

where (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image8.gif) is the density of the medium when waves are not present, and c is the speed of wave propagation in that medium.

Now let?s calculate the energy densities of the incoming waves and that of the resultant wave, and compare the results. The energy density of a single incoming wave is the same as in equation (1). Since we have two such incoming waves, the total overage input energy per unit volume should be:

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image9.gif)

While calculating the energy densities of waves we will assume that the examined volume is so small, that the relative phase relationships of the waves are identical in every point within that volume with good approximation. If the two waves would enter the examined volume non-simultaneously, then the same amount of energy would leave as it entered, and the law of energy preservation would remain valid. But if the two incoming waves enter simultaneously and with identical phase, then they will merge together, producing one single resultant wave of amplitude 2p0 according to the rule of superposition. The average energy density of this resultant wave according to equation (1):

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image10.gif) (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image11.gif)

This result shows that as the consequence of the interference of two waves, the average energy content of the examined volume will be two times bigger than the total average input energy supplied by the two input wave-packages filling that volume. With other words if totally one unit of energy is supplied by the two input wave-packages to the examined volume then after the interference two units of energy will leave the same volume.

The above result - when we gain excess energy - is valid only if the two waves meet with identical phase (i.e. both have their maximums and minimums at the same time).

When they meet in counter-phase (i.e. one has its maximum when the other has its minimum) then during the interference the waves will add together as follows:

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image1.gif) and (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image12.gif)

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image13.gif)

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image14.gif)

The two waves mutually annihilate each other and the amplitude of the resultant wave will be zero, or with other words there will be no resultant wave leaving the volume. In this case instead of gaining excess energy we would loose or annihilate the total input energy.


If the relative phase shift between the two input waves has some value between 0 and (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image15.gif) then the energy of the resultant wave will be between (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image16.gif) and 0.

The same principle is valid for the interference of more than two waves, with the difference that the maximum possible energy gain will not be double, but it will depend on the number of the components. In the case of n longitudinal waves with identical phases amplitudes and frequencies propagating in the same direction we get:

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image17.gif)
(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image18.gif)
(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image19.gif)
(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image20.gif)

If we compare the total input energy with the output energy of the resultant wave:

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image21.gif)

we get n times more energy from the resultant wave than the total energy of the input waves.



Electromagnetic Waves

Since the electromagnetic waves are transversal waves and consist of two components, the analysis is a bit more difficult then with longitudinal waves. One component is the electric field and the other one is the magnetic field, which is perpendicular to the electric component. The basic principle described above is also valid for this case, but only if the incoming waves have the same polarization. If the polarization of the incoming waves have (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image22.gif) relative difference in direction, then the law of energy preservation will remain valid for all amplitude, phase and frequency conditions. But in all other cases the validity (or violation) of the energy preservation will depend on the relative phase relationships and other parameters.

We will not analyze the electromagnetic waves here as performed for the longitudinal waves above, since the same method of calculation can be adapted for the electromagnetic waves with identical polarization, frequency, phase and amplitude propagating in the same direction (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image23.gif) if the time mean value of the energy density is
calculated as:

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image24.gif)

where (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image25.gif) is the dielectric constant, and (http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image26.gif) the magnetic permeability of the medium, E is the amplitude of the electric field intensity and H is the amplitude of the magnetic field intensity. This would lead essentially to the same conclusions about the energy balance as derived for the longitudinal waves above.

Now the question arises: if the basic principle is so simple, then where is the need for the quite complicated analysis with higher mathematics that Mr. Vajda has provided? The main reason is that our simplified analysis is valid only for specific very limited conditions, for a small volume of examined space. The skeptics might say that the above-determined violations of the energy conservation are valid only locally for that small volume. But since in practical cases it is not possible to satisfy the same conditions for the whole space at the same time, the relative phase
relationships would change significantly for different coordinates of the space. Therefore while gaining excess of energy in some places, we would loose the same amount at other places, and if the total energy balance were calculated for the whole space, then the law of energy preservation would remain valid. This explanation is however wrong and it can be disproved easily with careful and exact calculations even for practical cases, as Mr. Vajda has done it in his study.

A further question is that if an excess of energy appears, or an existing energy disappears as the result of the interference of waves, then from where does it come from, or to where does it disappear? In the case of longitudinal waves propagating in a medium one might imagine that the excess of energy is derived from the heat of the medium and the energy that disappears is transformed into heat (although this is not the complete truth). But the case of electromagnetic waves is a bit more mysterious. If we stick to the idea that when the electromagnetic waves propagate in vacuum, in that empty space there is no medium, then there is certainly no explanation for the question. But if we suppose that there is a medium that fills even the vacuum,
which might be called ether (it does not have to be a static medium), then we get some base for the explanation.

We can get closer to the understanding if we compare the characteristics of the energy propagation of waves, and other forms of energy propagation. First it is important to understand that in waves the energy is not transmitted by macroscopic movements of the particles that compose the medium. The particles do not move macroscopically, but oscillate around their original neutral
positions, only the energy moves through macroscopic distances. This is the reason why a sound wave can pass thousands of meters in few seconds even though the air does not move
macroscopically.

We could say that this is not a unique characteristic of the waves, since even in the case of heat conduction the energy propagates through the medium while the medium can be practically motionless. The main difference between these two is that the heat on microscopic level does not propagate in an organized manner and specific direction. It is not spreading exclusively from the
source towards the infinity, but the direction of the macroscopic resultant energy flow will be determined by the heat (and energy-) potentials (temperatures) of the different regions in the medium. The molecules oscillate chaotically and therefore there is no organized direction of propagation on microscopic level. Consequently the macroscopic resultant direction of the heat conduction will go from the higher temperature towards the lower temperature (from the higher energy density towards the lower energy density) only.

The waves however, if unhindered, will propagate from the source towards the infinity, and the macroscopic energy flow will not be determined by the energy potentials of the medium. At the same time on microscopic level there is an organized movement of energy in a specific direction. The waves are ?transparent? for each other, and they do not exchange their energies by ?collision? or by any other means while crossing each other?s path in free space. A wave will not be reflected from another wave while crossing its path, independently of the energy density of the other wave, but it will simply pass through it, as if the other would be nonexistent. Therefore in the case of waves the energy can propagate even from a place of lower energy density towards a region of higher energy density, as it is happening in the case of interference. These considerations are only the first step towards a deeper understanding of the nature of waves, and we will come back to the issue later.



Practical considerations

Finally let?s see how can this principle be utilized for the generation of free energy in practice.

To create the initial conditions of the process, we need an energy source to feed two or more radiation sources. The radiators should be arranged so as to have minimal back coupling between them (the wave radiated from the 1st source should cause minimal, or zero energy loss in the 2nd source and vice versa). If the arrangement allows the waves to expand in free space as spherical waves, then after the interference of the waves we will have to find a way to collect them again into a receiver antenna for utilization.

The above calculations of energy gain represent the theoretical maximum values, but in practical arrangements we will have to be satisfied with lower gains, since many factors tend to diminish this energy gain. Let?s suppose e.g. that the practical setup does not generate double output energy after the wave packages pass through the amplification chamber but only 1,5 times the input energy. If we make a positive feedback, then the initial external energy source can be disconnected from the apparatus without stopping the generation of free energy. Naturally the divider and regulator should feed back enough energy to continuously keep up the process and also to cover the losses in the feedback loop. The schematic illustration of the process is shown in fig. 2.

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp_files/Image27.gif)
Fig. 2

Although at first sight the less than 50% of energy gain of the interference chamber seems to be unimpressive in our example, with such an arrangement the maximum available output energy is limited only by the energy conducting capacity of the parts. After starting the device the input energy source can be disconnected, and the energy generation process will be self-sustaining. During the startup process the regulator feeds back more energy to the input then what has started the amplification cycle. Consequently the amplitude and energy of the wave circulating in
the system will continuously increase from few watts of the starting input to the several kW to be utilized at the output. Since there is no further need for input energy, the coefficient of performance of the device will be infinite. The level of output energy can be adjusted through the regulator, and it does not depend on the strength of the starting energy source. While few watts of input power can start the process, the device can provide several kW of power continuously at the output, even with the external starter energy source disconnected.

Using sound waves in practice it might be difficult to achieve noteworthy outputs, since the practical limit of energy density is quite low in such arrangements. But using electromagnetic microwaves it is possible to make very efficient, relatively cheap and compact devices, without any moving parts. The output of such generators can vary from several kW to the range of GW depending on the size and types of the components. As you can see, this is a real free energy principle that works, and it has been confirmed by measurements and scientific analysis. It is based
on the law of interference and on the equations for calculating the energy density of a wave, that are already accepted by science. No new theory has been created, only the existing knowledge clarified and interpreted in the correct way, and its possible new applications suggested.


END SECTION TWO



START SECTION THREE
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Steven Mark's Words
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These are direct quotes from Steven Mark about his devices:

Here SM says that his devices work like radio receivers:

Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.No I do not want to hear feed back informing me that I am trying to convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.

Here SM says that his different devices use different frequencies and that the closer you get to the 'center frequency'/'ideal frequency' that you will permit more power output:
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.

Here SM is saying something VERY IMPORTANT, that you make several frequencies in the SPACE OF THE COLLECTOR COILS CIRCUMFERENCE and that the DIAMETER/CIRCUMFERANCE determines the 'center frequency'/'ideal frequency' of his different devices, if Steven's collector coils are indeed loop antennas then this makes perfect sense, different circumferances, different 'center/ideal frequencies':
The important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.

Here SM talks about the signal source, i.e. the 'several frequencies in the SPACE OF THE COLLECTOR COILS CIRCUMFERENCE' having the characteristic that it has inherent gain:
You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain. 

Here SM refers to the fact that if you were to tune directly to the 'center frequency'/'ideal frequency' which is based on the circumferance of the device, that you would destroy the device, well think about that, if SM used the technique from above and he stayed at one frequency and he looped the output at 1.5x COP to the input, then the device would surely be "instantly destroyed":
It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make the thing properly work.

Here SM is explaining that you must constantly move AROUND, i.e. above and below, the 'center/ideal frequency' because if you stay on it too long the device would smoke itself:
Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself. The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. that is why the control units are so very important. Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.
 


END SECTION THREE


Almost forgot, here are the links to the above info from the Hungarians:

Free energy from wave-fields (Introduction):
http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/interference.htm

Simplified explanation how to gain free energy from wave-fields:
http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/studyexp.htm

Janos Vajda is ?Violation of The Energy Thesis in Wave-Fields? is here:
.DOC Format(self-extracting) = http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/hungarian/study11_w.exe


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Offline Iosh

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2007, 10:38:23 PM »
Thank you Tao.
I noticed today that the original website where I got all this information is now GONE from the internet, unretrievable.
I know that this might be pointless since you kindly provided a backup of the gone website, but did you try to retrieve it using the Internet Archive? It can be an useful tool in some cases.

Cheers.

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 10:41:50 PM »
Thank you Tao.
I noticed today that the original website where I got all this information is now GONE from the internet, unretrievable.
I know that this might be pointless since you kindly provided a backup of the gone website, but did you try to retrieve it using the Internet Archive? It can be an useful tool in some cases.

Cheers.

Yes, I know about archive.org , but retrieving Janos's 47 page paper, might not have shown up in the archive because it was encapsulated in an exe file. Plus, I wanted to re-introduce my post and show Bob's Boyce reference to all those tat haven't seen this stuff.

Thanks...

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2007, 01:34:52 AM »
I might sound dumb asking these questions.

Is this how SM operated his device? With electrical current waves combining and grabbing that extra power Janos discovered?

How can we apply this to the TPU?

Have you heard about the Spinor Theory where the power is gained in bumping the electron into a supper low energy state? Would this Janos idea conflict or compliment this electron theory? If it conflicts which way do you think the TPU gains its power?

Did you read this artical before your work on the TPU?

The question might be obvious or dumb but I not making that connection. It would be very helpful if you were to answer these.

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Re: The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields...
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2007, 05:17:44 AM »
@Tao

I’ve read Vajda’s work. Even though the math is above me, in many cases, I understand the ideas and have seen it proven many times in antenna work. His conclusions are probably the solution to many terrestrial wave anomalies. For the life of me I can not understand why the so-called ‘scientific community’ can’t apply it to prediction of earthquakes and freak ocean waves.

Thanks for the extra effort resurrecting the information!

Only recently have folks acknowledged more power being radiated by certain antenna arrays than the power injected. Even long-time HAMs, the inventors and developers of so much, blow this type of information off as hog-wash. All the while revolutionary antenna designers implement these practices in cellular and WiFi antenna design. Even I have a slot antenna, on my roof, that puts out fives times what I put into it. The design is not new or by me. And No, I’m not talking about ERP.

Loop antennas,‘Three Sisters Effect’ and ‘Rogue Waves’ – things like that and my mistakes at broadcasting my realizations made me the outcast I am today. All three are explained with this Hungarian’s paper.

@Stallman

The only dumb question is the one that is never asked. It is very likely that the answer to your question is ‘all of the above’. – meaning those who may know aren’t saying and those who aren’t sure say a lot. It is all part of finding the answers. In any case you can find a huge amount of theories on this web site – no definite answers.

IMHO – multiple frequencies is not the answer except as results. Single or dual sources of signals is. You can have a wave interference with one source of signal. That signal can literally run into the results of itself when travelling in a circle. When you have identical signals (with slight variations in phase) running in separate coils and a collector coil between them………you figure it out. I say slight variations in phase because the TPU never seemed to be intended as an EMP generator.

In my opinion, Vajda’s work IS the formal basis for a functioning TPU, at least for a large part. It certainly works to generate EMP bursts.

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My search for patent application P9601424 has lead no where. Has anyone else had better luck?

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My search for patent application P9601424 has lead no where. Has anyone else had better luck?

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http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=HU9601424&F=0

Good luck actually locating an electronic version, might have to register on the Hungarian patent office's system to get it, I have tried that yet. Otherwise I haven't found it, yet, I haven't really looked THAT hard either so...

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2007, 11:45:17 PM »
I have been doing some thinking. First I want to start out with question then I will state my thoughts.

Questions: How many signal sources do we need? Since I guess we are using the TPU as a race track that contains scalar wave would that mean we theoretically need one source? A while back people thought the TPU spun a electromagnet around inside the TPU that would the flux would cut the Earth magnet field to generate power or something like that. Is it now believe that the way we get energy from the TPU is by scalar waves instead of magnetic wave (like the MEG uses)?

I have read 13Hours theories about how we get OU (I thought it was great). I drew some pictures of what I was think happened the tunneling electrons. Radiant energy is electron the are tunneling, right (correct me if I am wrong)? Will thinking about these tunneling electrons and their faster than light speed I figured out how someone could test 13hours theories about their being different scaled zeros and other finite universes. When an electron tunnels it vanishes, right? This is when it is said to go into a lower density universe that has a faster speed of light compared to us. When the electrons oscillate between our universe and the less dense universe it switches speads. Tesla calculated that is was going 1.5 - 1.6 times faster than light. Impossible? Yes in our universe but not in the lesser density universe (its all in the refference as 13hour would say). If the electrons are moving in between our universes like this then if we found out the time that the electrons are in our universe compare to the less dense universe then we could compare that ratio of to the ration of light compared to the scalar wave itself. If it indeed is found out that the is a direct correlation then that is a strong points for 13hour's theory of OU and of his physics in general.

Another thing 13hour pointed out @ http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/index.htm. This sight shows a scalar wave and solitons following it. I'm not sure if anyone has said this but when I look at the picture of a square wave in red and see a (KICKs) scalar wave followed by (SEEDs) solitons it just makes me wonder where is saw those (TPU!). Enough with jokes but does any think the following scalar wave from a control coil pusle might be the kicks and seeds. I can't really recall (being serious) how the kick was effected when it hit those seeds, or another kick? I remember if its Otto (correct me if I'm wrong) that hit seeds with kicks and got a big scare when the machine took off? To me it makes perfect sense (I could be totally wrong) that we see seed emerging right after a pulse. And when people would tune it close to perfect power resonance they would see those seeds grow (I am not sure if went down just like that) when a kick would be combined with them. One last note the TPU (I heard this from a lot of posts) need fast rise and fall times on their pulses for the control coil. Tesla also need fast pulses for his Tesla coil.

In a side relating to scalar waves and resonance has anyone heard of Royal Rife? He was a scientist that created a cure for everything from cancer and aids to the common cold. Since I think we are closer to figuring out how scalar energy resonates do you think it would be possible to cure disease like Rife did. Tesla once stated that his longevity was probably from his exposure to scalar energies

Thats all for now. The pictures I post might be a little light and hard to read. Also I would want to thank 13hour and other that have been working on this TPU project hard. I only connected the dots (somebody was bound to do it).

Stallman

ps. sorry for the bad grammar

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2007, 11:47:33 PM »
I registered with the Hungarian Patent Office, the patent has lapsed and was refused in 1996, only an abstract is available online and it's in hungarian:

A tal?lm?ny t?rgy?t k?pező berendez?s(ek) lehetőv? teszi(k) passz?v szerkezeti elemekkel, k?t vagy t?bb, egym?shoz k?zel elhelyezett, elemi sug?rz?val kisug?rzott elektrom?gneses hull?mok sug?rz?si ter?ben, azok kedvező szuperpon?ltat?s?val, az eredő hull?m energi?j?nak megn?vel?s?t ?s ezen t?bbletenergia k?zvetlen, vagy m?s energi?v? (pl. hőenergia) t?rt?nő ?talak?t?s?val k?zvetett hasznos?t?s?t. A berendez?s kiviteli v?ltozatain?l a bemenő jelet kisug?rz? elemi sug?rz?k, ?s a hull?mokat vevő elemi sug?rz?k, egy alkalmasan kialak?tott reflektor (1) fel?let belsej?ben, f?zisk?z?ppontjukkal a f?kuszpontokban (F1, F2) vannak elhelyezve, ahol ezeket a dip?lokb?l (2) ?ll?, vagy m?s t?pus? elemi sug?rz?kat, megfelelő f?zissal koaxi?lis, vagy szalag t?pvonalak (3) kapcsolj?k ?ssze ?s vezetik ki, a bemenő ?s kimenő nagyfrekvenci?s jeleknek megfelelően.

but if there is anyone who knows hungarian a post of an accurate translation would be appreciated, automatic translation gave this:

The innovation topic train rigs () possibility work () tame constructional units , two or more egym?shoz anigh placed , elementary radiating emanated electromagnetic curlers radiant ter?ben , those favourable szuperpon?ltat?s?val , the resulting wave for her energy megn?vel?s?t and on this t?bbletenergia through , or other your energy ( for instance. hőenergia ) history ?talak?t?s?val reflex utilizing. THE device export v?ltozatain?l the input signal radiative elementary radiating , and the ripple customer elementary radiating , one opportunely kialak?tott illuminator (1) surface internally f?zisk?z?ppontjukkal the f?kuszpontokban (F1, F2) there are places , where these the dip?lokb?l (2) stand-up , or other type elementary radiating , appropriate phase coaxal , or tape t?pvonalak (3) switch ?ssze and conduce who , the input and outgoing high frequency jeleknek suitably.

 a small diagram of the device is included in the abstract and I have attached it.

I also searched patents in the same class and found another interesting one:

P0001981   Cs?rke Zolt?n    GEARED ECONOMICAL GENERATOR

Image from the abstract also attached.

Hope this helps, I'm no good at the electronics but very interested in what you guys are trying to do, will hunt down anything that you need on the net if I can, just ask.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2007, 06:28:04 AM »
I have been doing some thinking. First I want to start out with question then I will state my thoughts.

Questions: How many signal sources do we need? Since I guess we are using the TPU as a race track that contains scalar wave would that mean we theoretically need one source? A while back people thought the TPU spun a electromagnet around inside the TPU that would the flux would cut the Earth magnet field to generate power or something like that. Is it now believe that the way we get energy from the TPU is by scalar waves instead of magnetic wave (like the MEG uses)?

I have read 13Hours theories about how we get OU (I thought it was great). I drew some pictures of what I was think happened the tunneling electrons. Radiant energy is electron the are tunneling, right (correct me if I am wrong)? Will thinking about these tunneling electrons and their faster than light speed I figured out how someone could test 13hours theories about their being different scaled zeros and other finite universes. When an electron tunnels it vanishes, right? This is when it is said to go into a lower density universe that has a faster speed of light compared to us. When the electrons oscillate between our universe and the less dense universe it switches speads. Tesla calculated that is was going 1.5 - 1.6 times faster than light. Impossible? Yes in our universe but not in the lesser density universe (its all in the refference as 13hour would say). If the electrons are moving in between our universes like this then if we found out the time that the electrons are in our universe compare to the less dense universe then we could compare that ratio of to the ration of light compared to the scalar wave itself. If it indeed is found out that the is a direct correlation then that is a strong points for 13hour's theory of OU and of his physics in general.

Another thing 13hour pointed out @ http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/index.htm. This sight shows a scalar wave and solitons following it. I'm not sure if anyone has said this but when I look at the picture of a square wave in red and see a (KICKs) scalar wave followed by (SEEDs) solitons it just makes me wonder where is saw those (TPU!). Enough with jokes but does any think the following scalar wave from a control coil pusle might be the kicks and seeds. I can't really recall (being serious) how the kick was effected when it hit those seeds, or another kick? I remember if its Otto (correct me if I'm wrong) that hit seeds with kicks and got a big scare when the machine took off? To me it makes perfect sense (I could be totally wrong) that we see seed emerging right after a pulse. And when people would tune it close to perfect power resonance they would see those seeds grow (I am not sure if went down just like that) when a kick would be combined with them. One last note the TPU (I heard this from a lot of posts) need fast rise and fall times on their pulses for the control coil. Tesla also need fast pulses for his Tesla coil.

In a side relating to scalar waves and resonance has anyone heard of Royal Rife? He was a scientist that created a cure for everything from cancer and aids to the common cold. Since I think we are closer to figuring out how scalar energy resonates do you think it would be possible to cure disease like Rife did. Tesla once stated that his longevity was probably from his exposure to scalar energies

Thats all for now. The pictures I post might be a little light and hard to read. Also I would want to thank 13hour and other that have been working on this TPU project hard. I only connected the dots (somebody was bound to do it).

Stallman

ps. sorry for the bad grammar

Interesting point, about the 4.6Mhz as the usual frequency of harmonics produced by a caduceus coil when a 8Khz square wave pulse is introduced is 4.6Mhz to 5Mhz soliton wave transmission. It is quite an intense signal that can be picked up on a scope probe from up to 30cm away from a coil (that is with a 9.1 Volt 50mA source into a 52 cross over caduceus coil wound around a 1cm wooden dowel '52 cross overs= 26each side)

Used 26 each side to represent the structure of 2 Iron Atoms. the most ideal would be 13 each side.

As I mentioned before 8Khz is a very common frequency on Earth. From plant life to our own brainwaves. An issue which Tesla was very concerned about (As well as it being the frequency of the carrier in our ionosphere)

Getting back to the topic at hand, soliton waves do display interesting properties, they are waves that act as particles, when travelling in a relatively uniform structure. The collision two soliton waves causes they to travel as a wave packet (Quantum Tunnel) for a short distance then they split apart again with no loss of energy.

As I mentioned in my early posts, peeps working on the TPU's should really read up on Prof. Dr. Gunter Nimtz's Quantum Electron Tunnelling experiments.

http://www.ph2.uni-koeln.de/Nimtz/

Nimtz still does not understand density shift representing difference points in space time, the importance of soliton's and how these link with square wave Tesla kicks. So in sense you have one up on him when you read about his work.

You may find something interesting there, how he smoothed quantum wave packets (encoded them) with Mozart 40 and sent it between two locations by non subluminal means (Faster than light) and then decoded the receive signal an played it back.  Although they would not define this as information. As this requires the rewriting of the laws of physics, they did concede that this proves that the so called quantum tunnelling is not random as quantum mechanics suggests.

If it had been random he would have just got white noise out of the other end when decoded.

The reason why I mention this is that when two or more solitons merge, they are in the same wave packet state as the quantum wave packets in Dr Nimtz's experiments. They are no longer at subluminal  velocities on our scale.

So basically an electron makes billions of tiny leaps in space time around the TPU collector, when you introduce other harmonics you increase the density shift (would be like Dr Nimtz using a higher density target) so when these secondary kick waves hit the existing soliton waves at the correct phase of there path, they will merge and the resultant wave packets are considerably higher density, in this case what is returned is an equal opposite displacement of this increase of density, which because this kicks the two soliton waves so hard, it repeats the process again (due to there resultant velocity being more energy than is needed to break relative light velocity again) So a chain reaction of a massive kick them progressively smaller soliton mergers and divisions occurs around the collector

Basically in simpler terms introduction of the second harmonic make the electron quantum leap further around the wire without loss of pushing force. the third and fourth get harder and harder to introduce correctly, when you get to sixth and seventh.

Lets just say your TPU will be a molten blob of metal before that stage. Sixth and 7th Harmonics are more in the range of Nuclear Power Station outputs.

13 Harmonics if enough to control localised space time. (be very careful with this, as it takes considerable amount of energy to get the spin of your atoms phased back into normal space time).

26 Harmonics will be the entire energy of a single finite universe, Thankfully the precision needed for 26 kick harmonics is still beyond that of 21st Century technology.


Our ionosphere does play an important part in this, it is very important that you do not run these test experiments of changing multiple harmonics during electrical storm activity, As the resultant reaction could be catastrophic. We are here to push the boundaries. Not to get killed.






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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2007, 01:42:50 PM »
Hi guys,

I happened to be on overunity.com and found this thread... My mother tongue is Hungarian and I have some engineering background so I prepared a translation for you in English. I hope it helps:

"The device which forms the basis of this invention enables - with the help of passive structural units -  the followings: Place two or more elementary radiating sources side by side and in this radiation field favourably superposition these fields to increase the energy of the result wave and convert this surplus energy into other energy form(i.e heat) in order to utilize it. By the export version of this device the elementary radiating sources into which the input signals flow and the elementary radiating sources which receive the waves are placed inside a properly positioned reflecting surface(1). The phase centers of of the elementary radiating sources are placed in the focus points(F1, F2) where they are connected through dipol(2) wires. If the elementary radiating sources are of other types they can be connected - with the proper phase alignment- through coaxial or stripe wires(3). These wires(i.e 2,3) connect the elementary radiating sources and provide the output based upon the incoming/outgoing high frequency signals."

A tal?lm?ny t?rgy?t k?pező berendez?s(ek) lehetőv? teszi(k) passz?v szerkezeti elemekkel, k?t vagy t?bb, egym?shoz k?zel elhelyezett, elemi sug?rz?val kisug?rzott elektrom?gneses hull?mok sug?rz?si ter?ben, azok kedvező szuperpon?ltat?s?val, az eredő hull?m energi?j?nak megn?vel?s?t ?s ezen t?bbletenergia k?zvetlen, vagy m?s energi?v? (pl. hőenergia) t?rt?nő ?talak?t?s?val k?zvetett hasznos?t?s?t. A berendez?s kiviteli v?ltozatain?l a bemenő jelet kisug?rz? elemi sug?rz?k, ?s a hull?mokat vevő elemi sug?rz?k, egy alkalmasan kialak?tott reflektor (1) fel?let belsej?ben, f?zisk?z?ppontjukkal a f?kuszpontokban (F1, F2) vannak elhelyezve, ahol ezeket a dip?lokb?l (2) ?ll?, vagy m?s t?pus? elemi sug?rz?kat, megfelelő f?zissal koaxi?lis, vagy szalag t?pvonalak (3) kapcsolj?k ?ssze ?s vezetik ki, a bemenő ?s kimenő nagyfrekvenci?s jeleknek megfelelően.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2007, 04:33:43 PM »

@13theHour,
Thanks for the link. Following the info, I was led to Background Field Theory. I recommend these to very one:

http://www.backgroundfield.com/index_1.htm
http://www.backgroundfield.de/detected_1.htm
http://www.zero-point-energy.com/efevbf_1.htm

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2007, 09:16:49 PM »
Hi guys,

I happened to be on overunity.com and found this thread... My mother tongue is Hungarian and I have some engineering background so I prepared a translation for you in English. I hope it helps:

"The device which forms the basis of this invention enables - with the help of passive structural units -  the followings: Place two or more elementary radiating sources side by side and in this radiation field favourably superposition these fields to increase the energy of the result wave and convert this surplus energy into other energy form(i.e heat) in order to utilize it. By the export version of this device the elementary radiating sources into which the input signals flow and the elementary radiating sources which receive the waves are placed inside a properly positioned reflecting surface(1). The phase centers of of the elementary radiating sources are placed in the focus points(F1, F2) where they are connected through dipol(2) wires. If the elementary radiating sources are of other types they can be connected - with the proper phase alignment- through coaxial or stripe wires(3). These wires(i.e 2,3) connect the elementary radiating sources and provide the output based upon the incoming/outgoing high frequency signals."

A tal?lm?ny t?rgy?t k?pező berendez?s(ek) lehetőv? teszi(k) passz?v szerkezeti elemekkel, k?t vagy t?bb, egym?shoz k?zel elhelyezett, elemi sug?rz?val kisug?rzott elektrom?gneses hull?mok sug?rz?si ter?ben, azok kedvező szuperpon?ltat?s?val, az eredő hull?m energi?j?nak megn?vel?s?t ?s ezen t?bbletenergia k?zvetlen, vagy m?s energi?v? (pl. hőenergia) t?rt?nő ?talak?t?s?val k?zvetett hasznos?t?s?t. A berendez?s kiviteli v?ltozatain?l a bemenő jelet kisug?rz? elemi sug?rz?k, ?s a hull?mokat vevő elemi sug?rz?k, egy alkalmasan kialak?tott reflektor (1) fel?let belsej?ben, f?zisk?z?ppontjukkal a f?kuszpontokban (F1, F2) vannak elhelyezve, ahol ezeket a dip?lokb?l (2) ?ll?, vagy m?s t?pus? elemi sug?rz?kat, megfelelő f?zissal koaxi?lis, vagy szalag t?pvonalak (3) kapcsolj?k ?ssze ?s vezetik ki, a bemenő ?s kimenő nagyfrekvenci?s jeleknek megfelelően.

Cheers,

Greg


Awesome,

This helps a lot, thanks for the translation!

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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2007, 03:04:59 AM »
Hi,
    Since I'm no good at electronics, I have done a bit more research. Don't know if this is useful or not but I have located contact details which I believe might be for the Hungarian inventor, Janos Vajda. He appears to be the Head of Department in the Office for EU Projects and Grants at the University of Debrecen in Hungary.

address: 4032 Debrecen, Egyetem ter 1
contact email: rtd@admin.unideb.hu

and the website for them:

http:/wwwold.unideb.hu/rtd/

The source document for his contact details can be found at:

http://docs.tetalap.hu/hufp6/fp6contact.pdf

and contains telephone and fax numbers in addition.

One of the group may wish to initiate contact though if this is him I understand from the Hungarian site that he had a lot invested in this so unsure how he would take an approach re his invention.

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2007, 03:12:50 AM »

@13theHour,
Thanks for the link. Following the info, I was led to Background Field Theory. I recommend these to very one:

http://www.backgroundfield.com/index_1.htm
http://www.backgroundfield.de/detected_1.htm
http://www.zero-point-energy.com/efevbf_1.htm

AM

Yep I know of Carlos's work, I wonder where he got the ideas from  ;) I am not blowing my own trumpet but I have indirectly had lot of influence over the years on various publications

Background Field Theory is a good representation of the finite, but stops short of truly pushing the boundaries and explaining with a reversible process, what occurs beyond an event horizon and how this affects our finite space time.

It's always promising though to see people thinking outside of the box, I just wish that when they decide to push the boundaries that they define usable values to work with.

Then theory or conjecture becomes a practical tool rather than just a construct of informed thought.


Background Field Theory is a good stepping stone in thinking alternatively

 

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