Author Topic: Open letter to inventors (destination: underground) (Read 43326 times)

innovation_station · « **Reply #60 on:** August 18, 2007, 09:28:55 PM »

marco i so do agree

we are all brothers at benches here

i did find the magnet flame discharge osc im playing with verry intresting my flames are of good size with this and so are the kicks

tesla states the effect is much enhanced with magnets in his pattend for the quenched magnetic spark gap discharge thingie

i have tryed so many times to get my video uploaded but cannot

@stephen can you some how raise the up load limit to 5 or 10 megs?

it would be of great help if you could this should be seen bye all intrested it might be close to the simplest form of disruptive discharge controler for kicks

is

z_p_e · « **Reply #61 on:** August 18, 2007, 09:36:31 PM »

Quote from: -[marco]- on August 18, 2007, 08:57:18 PM

Hi Darren,
This is simply explained,
The high voltage from the plate transformer is connected to the heater transformer.
but it is only connected to one end of the winding,therefore it is not a closed circuit.
That was a bit confusing to me and as i remember correctly i took a 100kpot in series with a 30k resistor in series between the high voltage output of the tube and the scope.
i was hoping to scale the voltage down and as you know at that point i was not familiar with the shunt circuit you pointed out to me.
Anyway ,the signal was too large to fit the screen of the scope so i decided to disconnect the ground wire.
Beautiful Kicks appeard and i remember thinking this was a bit of a new area to me because i am used to work with the ancient "closed loop"

Marco.

Wow, Marco. Now I'm slightly confused. I think these were some details that may have been worth mentioning a lot earlier

The high voltage from the plate transformer is connected to the heater transformer.

Yes it is, through the tube rectifier, not directly.

but it is only connected to one end of the winding,therefore it is not a closed circuit.

The tube heater filament, which is also the cathode, is connected to both ends of the filament transformer secondary, so I do not see how this is true.

Anyway ,the signal was too large to fit the screen of the scope so i decided to disconnect the ground wire.

The fact that the signal was still too large makes perfect sense. Which ground wire did you disconnect...the scope ground lead?

If you were then measuring the output with an ungrounded scope, then what was the scope using as a reference? Is your scope battery operated or plugged into the grid?

Even if your scope was powered off the grid, you still would have no reference to your circuit because it is all isolated by the transformers. ?

Help me out please....I don't want to be confused about what you are doing.

Darren

turbo · « **Reply #62 on:** August 18, 2007, 09:49:06 PM »

Darren,
The circuit was fed by a truck battery.
The Scope was fed by a seperate car battery.
No Grid connection invloved.
Because i could not see the waveform on the scope, i disconnected the ground wire which normally was on the zero voltage line of the plate transformer.

The tube heater filament, which is also the cathode, is connected to both ends of the filament transformer secondary, so I do not see how this is true.

are you saying the 500VDC is coupled to the heater transformer?
I ask because i still do not completly understand how we can couple 500VDC on top of the 5VAC.
as i look at the drawing it seems as if the high voltage which is also the output, is connected to one end of the filament only.

Marco.

z_p_e · « **Reply #63 on:** August 18, 2007, 09:58:00 PM »

Marco,

I'm responding back in the tubes thread where this belongs

Darren

innovation_station · « **Reply #64 on:** August 19, 2007, 03:10:44 PM »

ok all a page or so back i said i had a pm

and oh yes i do but here is the responce i got from the writer

"Which Pm? Some of the Pms ive sent had to do with a spific builder. And was only intended for the person i sent it to. Personally i wish people would stop messing with the ring. Its far more than people realise. "

and im now second thinkng of posting this pm for saftey reasons!!!! as that is the reason it is just not right there for all to see

turbos ring with my mods to it was used as the collector now it was used with steel and aluminum or other dissimilar metals to achive output

really i guess the writer of the pm has left it up to me if i want to post it or not and right now i think i will leave it for a bit we just are not ready for it yet

altho it does work

ist

Grumpy · « **Reply #65 on:** August 19, 2007, 04:57:32 PM »

"Stop messing with the ring"

Been hearing that since FreedomFuel was around - he mentioned a couple of deaths related to ring research - this was a year or more ago.

I agree that PM's are private.

Tesla showed that RE could be utilized, created, or merely collected from the environment. I recon it is just a matter of increasing our understanding of the world we live in.

If you are having "accidents" then "leaving it alone" is a damn good idea.

innovation_station · « **Reply #66 on:** August 19, 2007, 06:00:39 PM »

my friend i am sorry to post your words agin but i will leave it with your thoughts as they have really made me think i think it will help othes to do the same

Do as you wish. it appears as though i havnt a choice. But please do remove any reference to me. It is post like this that cause a blocking of information. Do you not realise that some are going into this with limited understanding. Knowledge is power William. power can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. Not all see things through the eyes the creator has given you. Please exersize the utmost of common sense when dealing with the open transfer of knowledge. And do try to understand they as in the PC heros as otto calls them are just not ready.

thank you for your words you know who you are

they have made me think

is

AhuraMazda · « **Reply #67 on:** August 19, 2007, 11:47:02 PM »

Those who are intent on using the TPU power for destructive purposes already have the knowledge. One day, on this and other forums all the pieces of the jigsaw will be in place and anyone will be able to build one for what ever purpose. I think it all started with a lump of rock. One could use it for cracking nuts and another for ....
Sometimes I wonder how far has humanity grown since that time.

AM

Grumpy · « **Reply #68 on:** August 20, 2007, 02:47:59 AM »

Quote from: AhuraMazda on August 19, 2007, 11:47:02 PM

Sometimes I wonder how far has humanity grown since that time.

Not very far at all...

innovation_station · « **Reply #69 on:** August 20, 2007, 03:52:00 AM »

ok all when i recieved this pm it was around the time i was working on figuring out the tuning forks i spend a lot of time looking at the forks first of all if you are not formiliar of the forks you must start there im talking of the forks sauron posted in his avitar so long ago it seams now it is one of the least understud clues as i know it the hyroglyphics the forks dirrectly relate to the tpu and how overunity is achived

now the way i understood it back then was pluse 2 rings and make the center ringggggg the center ring is the turbo ring with aluminum wire or steel also the heatsinks are aluminum for the fets inside the ring is alumnimum the MAGNETIC SHADOW CASTING MATERIAL that steven speaks of?

going by last time and i dont know even why i would have any diffrent there is only 2 freqs and the 3rd is made on its own so to make the thierd on its own what must we do ? well i think we have to use a freq in the top that is half the freq required to make it ringgg and in the bottom the same but there should be a freq gap of 7 hz between the 2 freqs but after that i got lost because i did not have the tools now i have the tools and im still lost

is

acerzw · « **Reply #70 on:** August 20, 2007, 09:07:56 PM »

innovation_station · « **Reply #71 on:** August 20, 2007, 11:01:28 PM »

i will go fetch you the page i spoke of earlyer

i posted a blowen up of the forks on that page or the nex 1 i cant find my post now i must have deleted it

here is the link for gk's picture of the forks it took me a long time to figure out what the forks mean

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.960.html

is

Grumpy · « **Reply #72 on:** August 21, 2007, 12:05:50 AM »

Quote from: acerzw on August 20, 2007, 09:07:56 PM

@innovation

Hi,
I have looked for the forks in the avatar as mentioned and have been unable to find the post. Do you have a copy you can post or a link?

@the underground crews
If you guys are silent working and staying out of the forum because of the distraction and are going to post the details when you have done your thing then please let us all know, otherwise:

As an aside to all I am no good at electronics, I am prepared and eager to learn, however it would be nice to have a reliable diagram to work with and to be informed of the dangers that it has been implied you are protecting us from, or would it be better for some newbie like myself to inadvertently discover them by getting killed as some say has already happened to others.

No one is going into this totally blind, I and others expect there to be danger. One way or another this device will be replicated fully and the details made public, as this forum and SM have provided enough information to many people to assure this is so. Better that guys with knowledge of the danger post the information with appropriate warnings, than someone with knowledge of the dangers misuses it and claims ignorance. Once the dangers are posted any misuser cannot claim they did not know and could be rightly held accountable.

I thought this forum was about making the device available to everyone, so why is it necessary for you to force everyone else to re-invent the wheel, thats exactly what SM did when he sold out. Have you guys sold out also? Prove my faith in you is justified by cutting the protection BS and making the details available.

Or will the disillusionment continue on your whim?

<<< Sometimes the most telling noise is a deafening silence >>>

No one is "underground". We all got together over several cases of beer and decide to stop mucking up this forum with BS chatter so we could get some damn work done.

Make the details available? What details are those? We have no devices that produce "overunity". We make a little hydrogen, warm cups of coffee, light up the outhouse, stuff like that - but nothing like what you are talking about.

Dangers? Everything has dangers. Hell, lightning can strike your ass anytime it pleases. Taking a breath of air is dangerous in some cities. Damage, deaths, and such related to any work dicussed on this forum is all rumors and hear-say.

We're just a bunch of guys getting together at the bench to part a keg and light a smoke, so stop harassing us.

innovation_station · « **Reply #73 on:** August 21, 2007, 12:20:19 AM »

@ grumpy you just said it " lghting could strike your ass..... "

now just think about for a life time

what are the exact freqs of conversion hummmmmmm........

wanna a zap? i dont eather and the newbbies im sure do not it like you said only takes 1 time

we are dealing with lighting here touch it or even being close to it im sure is a bad thing so why make it right there is has been right there all along just have a look and it sounds like i found it but im still going over traveled ground serching but i know it is there

is

acerzw · « **Reply #74 on:** August 21, 2007, 12:38:29 AM »

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