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Title: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: ryanjrx7 on August 14, 2007, 07:30:50 PM
Here is the site: http://www.armsmag.com/index.html  I couldn't find a break down of what's inside these things, but there must be some sort of torque multiplication gearing.  Separating a Neo magnet rated to lift a few hundred lbs by turning what looks like a 12 inch or less handle would not be easy.  Seems like this could be a clue to making the elusive all magnet motor.
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: gyulasun on August 14, 2007, 09:01:19 PM
Hi,

I think the flux additions of permanent magnets are involved: in a suitable mechanical set up or frame the magnets are rotatable by the outside mechanical arm, usually by 90 degree or some more. In one arm position the magnets' flux are closed through the load to be lifted or fixed and in the other position of the handling arm all the fluxes are closed INSIDE of the frame and not through the load. 

Look for parallel path technology also to see adding/summing two permanent magnets fluxes,  and this can be made by coils working as electromagnets.
On elusive all magnet motor: please go on and devise it! Really!

Regards
Gyula
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: gaby de wilde on August 15, 2007, 02:20:26 AM
Here is the site: http://www.armsmag.com/index.html  I couldn't find a break down of what's inside these things, but there must be some sort of torque multiplication gearing.  Separating a Neo magnet rated to lift a few hundred lbs by turning what looks like a 12 inch or less handle would not be easy.  Seems like this could be a clue to making the elusive all magnet motor.

Ah, my congratulations on your great clue findings. I had recently open-sourced this doc stuff on my futuristic science journal. It's most excellent, trust me I would know as I wrote it myself.

(http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/tin.gif)
OVEREFFICIENT PERMANENT MAGNETIC HOLDING DEVICE (http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/flux-switching/text/overefficient-permanent-magnetic-holding-device)
ABSTRACT
Method of constructing an overefficient flux gate[1] utilising special shapes of permananet magnets.
(http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/tin.gif)

Here is an even further simplification.

(http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/tin.gif)
PM FLUX SWITCH (http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/flux-switching/text/pm-flux-switch)
ABSTRACT
Method of preventing magnetic flux from extending into a target material.
(http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/tin.gif)

Furthermore patents to keep the septics silent like graves.(http://forum.go-here.nl/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif)
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/flux-switching/patents

and some links to pages where such goes described.
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/flux-switching

Do remember to have fun, that's an order. :D

lol
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: ryanjrx7 on August 15, 2007, 08:35:31 AM
Although I'd like to speak with whoever taught you about syntax,  I get the gist that your telling me I just re-discovered the wheel.   :-[
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: gaby de wilde on August 15, 2007, 11:29:40 AM
Although I'd like to speak with whoever taught you about syntax,  I get the gist that your telling me I just re-discovered the wheel.   :-[

Oh, but you have. If you didn't I would have ignored you and you would have been snake food by now. hahaha I have just simplified the topic, why are you trying to see a problem in this? Are you looking for problems? ahh?  ::)

I think you should look some more there where this idea of yours came from. Who knows there may be other things there. Just the gate doesn't make a motor jet. It needs much more work to shift shape like that.

About the syntax, yes but of course.... In general I see people move from "oh no, there is to little information to build 'the ryanjrx7 magnetmotor', sigh..." all the way to "oh no, there is to much information, sigh..." without stopping some place half way. Some people can also spend hours looking at a google result.... I really cant help but wonder: "How would it look if the information was right in front of your nose?"  LOL !

I thought you was even requested to devise it you was supplied with all the details AND most of all ordered to have fun? Didn't I order you to have fun? :-\

Thus so~on furthermore it~is now your responsibility to inform the world (obviously).(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif)

Because you (clearly) are the persistent not giving up type of person, I now want a full report on every single one of those patents, additional patent numberings and homepage url's for the further expansion of my already great efforts. You should also make a website so that I can copy and past the information therefromaway with great ease and at no charge (obviously).

All you have to know is that people will always find a new excuse to debunk it. So there is no need to make much effort of it, just put some interesting bits on a blog for example. http://blogger.com If you already have a blogger blog just click create new blog, you can make as many as you like.

<all caps>Read, talk, understand and document the information. Don't start with making excuses for not reading it. Specially not in the context of my website.

We are not satisfied until you have embedded videos with your running perpetual motion generator re-invention in public display thereof into said homepage for our public viewings thereat utilising our no-further description requiring armchair.</all caps>

hahaaha

With regards,

-gaby de wilde
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: gyulasun on August 15, 2007, 05:26:31 PM
....

Here is an even further simplification.

(http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/tin.gif)
PM FLUX SWITCH (http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/flux-switching/text/pm-flux-switch)
ABSTRACT
Method of preventing magnetic flux from extending into a target material.
(http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/tin.gif)


Hi Folks,

Here are earlier works, ideas on flux switching, see this link:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,309.0.html

If you click on the picture by m668004, you will see the animation  (magneticenergypump_2.gif)  of rotating the two inner cylinder magnets that require no extra force as an input from you other than defeating ball bearing friction and air drag.

Gyula
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: ryanjrx7 on August 16, 2007, 12:54:33 AM
lol, not looking for any problems.  I've already got a big one that keeps me awake a night involving a certain machine that makes motion perpetually... should come up with a name for it  ;)  Gyula you are quite the character, I must say.  Thanks for the links!
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: JamesThomas on August 16, 2007, 06:26:03 PM
This reminds me of a story I read about some on/off switchable magnetic-shoes that the U.S. space program developed in the early days which soon disappeared with little or no record. (anybody else remember reading about this...I didn't find it on the web to post with this...but it's there somewhere)

It seems that switchable permanent-magnets would be KEY to an OU motor.

j
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: gn0stik on August 16, 2007, 06:42:51 PM
They're called radus boots, and they are no longer used by NASA, instead "shuffler" boots have taken their place, presumably because of fears of power loss, or...?  Supposedly they use plates and electromagnetic coils to redirect magnetic flux.
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: gn0stik on August 16, 2007, 06:44:59 PM
Oh, and supposedly this is what the MEG is based on, as well as the hilden-brand motor and a couple other devices.. Radus has been the focus of many experimenter's research. Check out any patent database web site and do a search for raymond radus.

This'll get you started.

http://www.google.com/patents?q=raymond+j.+radus

The boots....

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm

Rich
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: Honk on August 16, 2007, 07:46:54 PM
Well, the MEG did not work, the other devices I don't know of except Flynn, but I have my hopes for the Hilden Motor.
The MEG might have failed due to bad electronics. The coils of the MEG must be operated at modest frequencies
with small losses to avoid the sluggish flux field build-up of the high inductance coils.
My Flux Booster Controller might do the trick on a MEG like transformer. I does increase the coil efficiency about 1500%.
Once I have finished the controller tests on the Magnet Valves I might try to build a Hilden-Brand Valve MEG.
Let's wait and see......
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: JamesThomas on August 17, 2007, 05:35:20 AM
They're called radus boots, and they are no longer used by NASA, instead "shuffler" boots have taken their place, presumably because of fears of power loss, or...?  Supposedly they use plates and electromagnetic coils to redirect magnetic flux.

Thanks, gn0stik. Ya I'm pretty sure this is it. A permanent-magnet memory device the utilizes low energy for switching.
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: gaby de wilde on August 19, 2007, 05:50:18 AM
MEG
hilden-brand motor

lol, not looking for any problems.  I've already got a big one that keeps me awake a night involving a certain machine that makes motion perpetually... should come up with a name for it  ;)  Gyula you are quite the character, I must say.  Thanks for the links!

YES! This is a valuable clue IMHO, what I can make from the insomnia vision it is that we have 2 possible futures as a species. We humans are not enlightened enough to envision the future in detail but we can absolutely have a feeling about stuff around the corner with an accuracy above zero. I think we are either going to create perpetual motion or we will make nuclear war. Something subconscious is motivating me. The answer is easy to find, there is a whole parade of free energy machines. It's just that people enjoy demotivating each other and continue to guess what something is while real information is available to them. Lets do try add some extra information before posting?

I also continue to suggest each one of you creates a publicly accessible website about the flux switching topic. I'm not going to search your 100 000 old posts for little tidbits of info, asking me to waist my time?  This is really not to much to ask if you want others to share their stuff. Some one may take you seriously... imagine that one!

My flux swithching page is below. As you can see I have 6 links on there. (woo hoo 6 whole links) I will add some more links to this post then I will add a link to some forum topics to the page, whole minutes of hard work, I know, I know. :D

links
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/flux-switching

text
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/text

peoples
Charles J. Flynn (http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/charles-j-flynn)
Jack Hildenbrand (http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/jack-hildenbrand)
KeelyNet - Emery Version - Leedskalnin Perpetual Motion Holder (http://www.keelynet.com/energy/emery.htm)

Radius boots
tom berden: the astronaut's magnetic boots (http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm)

*Raymond j. Radus patents*
AC/DC or DC/AC Converter system with improved AC-line harmonic reduction
Abstract
In a transformer-rectifier converter system, at least one inductance is inserted in the commutation path of two adjacent diode or thyristor devices in a cluster of three devices related to a common DC polarity pole, the reactance due to such inductance being sufficient to lengthen the commutation overlap thereby to minimize AC line harmonics. The invention is applicable to AC/DC as well as to DC/AC conversion.

Patent number: 4366532
Filing date: May 11, 1981
Issue date: Dec 28, 1982
Inventors: John Rosa, Raymond J. Radus
Assignee: Westinghouse Electric Corp.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=edo9AAAAEBAJ

Transformer for low distortion rectifier system
Abstract
A coil for a 12-pulse transformer-rectifier apparatus assembled on a three-leg magnetic core comprising a half primary winding sandwiched between two half secondary windings of substantially the same height as the half primary winding. A pair of coils associated with one leg of a three-leg magnetic core in a 12-pulse transformer-rectifier, are oriented in opposition to one another, and have all their terminal conductors extending parallel to one another with transversal connectors in closely-related parallel planes.

Patent number: 4482945
Filing date: Nov 29, 1982
Issue date: Nov 13, 1984
Inventors: Joachim E. Wolf, Paul H. Watson, Raymond J. Radus
Assignee: Westinghouse Electric Corp.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=x8csAAAAEBAJ

Secondary circuit breaker for distribution transformer with indicator light switch mechanism
Abstract
A secondary circuit breaker for a distribution transformer characterized by electrical inductive apparatus within an oil-filled housing, and circuit interrupter for controlling current flow through said apparatus and comprising a releasable latch arm, trip means operable upon overload conditions to release the latch arm, a latch lever between the trip means and the latch arm, and a signal light circuit for activating a signal light when current through the circuit breaker exceeds a low signal overload value. That is less than the trip value.

Patent number: 4554524
Filing date: Aug 23, 1984
Issue date: Nov 19, 1985
Inventor: Raymond J. Radus
Assignee: Westinghouse Electric Corp.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=RaU5AAAAEBAJ

MAGNETIC MEMORY DEVICE
Patent number: 3165723
Filing date: Jan 19, 1962
Issue date: Jan 1965
Inventor: Raymond J. Radus
Assignee: Westing
http://www.google.com/patents?id=3PllAAAAEBAJ

MAGNETIC MEMORY DEVICE
Patent number: 3569947
Filing date: Jun 16, 1969
Issue date: Mar 1971
Inventor: Raymond J. Radus Monroevilk
Assignee: estinghouse Electric Corporation East Pittsburgh
http://www.google.com/patents?id=89NzAAAAEBAJ


more patents
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/flux-switching/patents
magnetic memory device - 3569947 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=89NzAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC HOLDING DEVICE -  3184654 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=y6RKAAAAEBAJ)
Switchable permanent magnetic holding devices - 4055824 (http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4055824)
Magnetic base - 4251791 (http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4251791)
Magnetic holder - 4465993 (http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4465993)
Method and apparatus for coil-less magnetoelectric magnetic flux switching for permanent magnets (http://www.google.com/patents?id=kDQWAAAAEBAJ)
Method and apparatus for coil-less magnetoelectric magnetic flux switching for permanent magnets (http://www.google.com/patents?id=jdJ3AAAAEBAJ)
Methods for controlling the path of magnetic flux from a permanent magnet and devices incorporating the same - US 6246561 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=acIIAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC HOLDING AND ALIGNING DEVICE - US 3304527  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=Zr1uAAAAEBAJ)
SENSING DEVICE FOR AUTOMATIC BRAKE SYSTEM INCLUDING INERTIA SWITCH WITH MAGNETIC HOLDING MEANS - US 3886339  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=ZoU6AAAAEBAJ)
ELECTRICAL SWITCH HAVING MAGNETIC HOLDING MEANS - US 3243542  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=yWJcAAAAEBAJ)
Magnetic tool holding and storage apparatus - US 6006906  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=yu0XAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC HOLDING DRUM - US 3581257  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=YOZhAAAAEBAJ)
DYNAMOELECTRIC MACHINE SHAKING AND MAGNETIC HOLDING ARRANGEMENT - US 3176174  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=ydpcAAAAEBAJ)
GRANZOW MAGNETIC HOLDING UNIT - US 3294433  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=yCNMAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC HOLDING DEVICE - US 3184654  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=y6RKAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC BOBBIN HOLDING MEANS - US 2561155  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=y4BNAAAAEBAJ)
CHANNEL FOR HOLDING MAGNETIC PACK - US 3109967  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=xQFnAAAAEBAJ)
Magnetic nail holding device - US 4829855  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=xoUwAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC LATCH HOLDING MEANS FOR A SELVAGE KNITTING NEEDLE IN A NARROW WARE LOOM - US 3601160  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=x6FtAAAAEBAJ)
Magnetic insert in jaw plate for holding vise parallels - US 6361034  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=Wz0JAAAAEBAJ)
GUN REST WITH MAGNETIC HOLDING MEANS - US 3041938  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=vW5yAAAAEBAJ)
Rotating housing and anode/stationary cathode x-ray tube with magnetic susceptor for holding the ... - US 5274690  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=UuwdAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC FASTENER-HOLDING DEVICE - US RE24066  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=UnUXAAAAEBAJ)
Permanent magnetic holding arrangement, particularly for temporary holding of ferro-magnetic parts - US 4401961  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=trc5AAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC HOLDING MEANS - US 2209809  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=TcZyAAAAEBAJ)
VIBRATION ACTUATED SWITCH WITH MAGNETIC HOLDING MEANS AND ARMATURE RESET POSITIONING MEANS - US 3794786  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=T0MvAAAAEBAJ)
Adjustable quick release magnetic holding assembly - US 4754532  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=SZA3AAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC HOLDING MEANS IN A SURFACE PLATE DIMENSIONAL MEASURING APPARATUS - US 3723927  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=sxgxAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC HOLDING DEVICES - US 2923865  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=so1jAAAAEBAJ)
Switchable permanent magnetic holding devices - US 4055824  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=SnAvAAAAEBAJ)
Magnetic holding device - US 6086125  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=SDkDAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC HOLDING DEVICE - US 2955239  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=RuxvAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC DETACHABLE HOLDING DEVICE - US 2943246  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=qWJIAAAAEBAJ)
MOVABLE MAGNETIC BOWLING PIN HOLDING APPARATUS - US 2848235  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=oUhgAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC HOLDING DEVICE - US 2854273  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=OSNEAAAAEBAJ)
Brackets and methods for holding wires utilizing magnetic force - US 6855890  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=oJkTAAAAEBAJ)
MAGNETIC FASTENER-HOLDING DEVICE - US 2630036  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=oJ1EAAAAEBAJ)
Magnetic holding device - US 4652845  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=obErAAAAEBAJ)
Magnetic work-holding device - US 4356467  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=NYovAAAAEBAJ)
Magnetic socket holding and storage apparatus - US 5080230  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=my8fAAAAEBAJ)
Part holding press tool with non-magnetic part holding mechanism - US 5539968  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=mSkgAAAAEBAJ)
CONTAINER FOR HOLDING MAGNETIC TAPE ON EDGE AND HANDLING DEVICE THEREFOR - US 3588377  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=MKh0AAAAEBAJ)
Magnetic holding device - US 4072920  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=MEs1AAAAEBAJ)
Magnetic holding device - US 6614337  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=m3AOAAAAEBAJ)
CONVEYOR WITH MAGNETIC ARTICLE HOLDING MEANS - US 3844401  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=L8w5AAAAEBAJ)
Electrical machine (http://www.google.com/patents?id=e84RAAAAEBAJ)
Static free magnetic holding and release means - US 4052883  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=zwsUAAAAEBAJ)
Switchable permanent magnetic holding device - US 4419644  (http://www.google.com/patents?id=KlQtAAAAEBAJ)

Remember that patents cost money. The list represents a lot of money and a lot of time. Those URL's didn't just find and type themselves. The concept of flux switching is very easy to understand, now lets learn everything that is already hacked.

There has to be at least a month worth of insomnia right here, enjoy!

 :D
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: Nali2001 on August 20, 2007, 01:16:09 AM
This might be of some interest

Static magnet dynamo for generating electromotive force based on changing flux density of an open magnetic path

http://www.google.com/patents?id=lK8XAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=5926083

Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: Honk on August 20, 2007, 10:17:16 AM
It looks very similar to both the Flynn and Hilden-Brand devices in most ways.
And many flux swithing patents do share similarities.
If anyone manage to make a working MEG there must be a ton of lawsuits waiting to be filed.
Everybody wants a share of the big money cookie.
Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: gaby de wilde on August 20, 2007, 08:42:15 PM
Everybody wants a cookie.
Here Honk http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3096.msg45228.html#msg45228

This might be of some interest
Static magnet dynamo for generating electromotive force based on changing flux density of an open magnetic path
http://www.google.com/patents?id=lK8XAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=5926083
Yes, those are a bit harder to find but there should be a lot of them. I find the airgap the most interesting bit. ::)

A more barbaric eh I mean basic implementation is just sticking magnets on the back of a coil (possibly with an airgap) or even onto the side of a motor. Such motor does speed up but I dunno how much, the coils however can generate massive pusles by simply extending the field of the permanent magnets.

Here is a video by magnacoastermotors
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/video/?v=cevznlUzmK0

May we say: "The clear and obvious demonstration there of."(http://forum.go-here.nl/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif)


Title: Re: Permanent Magnet Lifters with on/off switch?
Post by: rama1 on December 25, 2010, 02:11:48 AM
This reminds me of a story I read about some on/off switchable magnetic-shoes that the U.S. space program developed in the early days which soon disappeared with little or no record. (anybody else remember reading about this...I didn't find it on the web to post with this...but it's there somewhere)

It seems that switchable permanent-magnets would be KEY to an OU motor.

j
think the boots where before they could make artificial gravity in shuttles? on the switchable permanent magnet idea switch or lever to move repelling magnets apart. thus stopping rotation