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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2007, 06:55:14 AM »
This is impudent nonsense which you continue to spew shamelessly. This should stop. It has been proven conclusively that SMOT violates CoE.

Believe it or not, I really hope that your correct and this device could work.
The supporting evidence simply has not impressed or convinced me yet.
I wish you luck in your experiments, but I still see no evidence of OU.

~Dingus Mungus

P.S. Can you post a link for all naysayers to the "conclusive" proof?
I hope this is much more conclusive then previous demos I've seen.

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2007, 08:29:03 AM »
This is impudent nonsense which you continue to spew shamelessly. This should stop. It has been proven conclusively that SMOT violates CoE.

Believe it or not, I really hope that your correct and this device could work.
The supporting evidence simply has not impressed or convinced me yet.
I wish you luck in your experiments, but I still see no evidence of OU.

~Dingus Mungus

P.S. Can you post a link for all naysayers to the "conclusive" proof?
I hope this is much more conclusive then previous demos I've seen.
You're incompetent and whether or not you're convinced doesn't matter one bit. It would be prudent if you become more humble and be less categorical in your opinions. While this is a free forum and anyone can post anything, even nonsense, those concerned with the integrity of the field must also feel the freedom to make notes when incompetents such as you are trying to overwhelm the discussions.

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2007, 09:24:49 AM »
Can I still get that link?

Gravitational potential energy is measured as pe=GMh there for any loss in hieght is a conversion of potential energy. This is not nonsense... If there is an OU SMOT then it would return its ball to the original starting hieght or position, and either of those would be adiquate enough to prove your point.

Again good luck on your experiments.
~Dingus Mungus

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2007, 02:14:47 PM »
Can I still get that link?

Gravitational potential energy is measured as pe=GMh there for any loss in hieght is a conversion of potential energy. This is not nonsense... If there is an OU SMOT then it would return its ball to the original starting hieght or position, and either of those would be adiquate enough to prove your point.

Again good luck on your experiments.
~Dingus Mungus
That's crap.

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2007, 07:02:00 AM »
 :D

If the ball gets closer to the ground it loses some gravitational potential energy.
That how hydroelectric works. It collects energy from velocity added to mass as it falls.
If the water could be put back to the same hieght it could fall again... Forever... Free...
With out returning to the same height you're just converting gravitational potential.

Sorry if this sounds like crap to you, but denying this simple fact weakens your case.

I still want to see the absolute proof you spoke of,
~Dingus Mungus

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2007, 08:22:41 AM »
:D

If the ball gets closer to the ground it loses some gravitational potential energy.
That how hydroelectric works. It collects energy from velocity added to mass as it falls.
If the water could be put back to the same hieght it could fall again... Forever... Free...
With out returning to the same height you're just converting gravitational potential.

Sorry if this sounds like crap to you, but denying this simple fact weakens your case.

I still want to see the absolute proof you spoke of,
~Dingus Mungus

You see, if perpetual motion or free energy is possible, or even if the laws of thermodynamics are right but other things such as magnetism are just poorly understood, that means the current understanding of physics is still wrong. There is nothing bad about that, science is supposed to be about finding new theories and throwing away the obsolete ones.

If you believe perpetual motion is possible, then you probably believe that some laws of physics are wrong. So that means it is a total waste of time stating the current laws.

What I mean is, it is silly to use the current laws of physics to pursue something which needs those laws to be wrong in order to be existent.

And if you do not believe it is possible, then fine...we'll see if it is


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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2007, 08:33:59 AM »
@Dingus Mungus,

Never mind. Don't bother.

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2007, 05:08:08 AM »
If you believe perpetual motion is possible, then you probably believe that some laws of physics are wrong. So that means it is a total waste of time stating the current laws.

What I mean is, it is silly to use the current laws of physics to pursue something which needs those laws to be wrong in order to be existent.

I think you are overgeneralizing, and while stating the law of CoE would be nonsensical, other laws of physics would be part of any necessary explanation of a perpetual motion device. 

But really, proving a violation of CoE, like Omnibus has tried to do numerous times, via equations only is not really going to convince anyone except the choir.  A working demonstration of a perpetual motion device is what is needed.  Otherwise, it is too easy to believe that you have overunity with a simple "engineering problem" keeping you from closing the loop, when what you really have is a 99.5% (if that) efficient device, and the remaining 1% is the "engineering problem" that you will spend your lifetime solving, but never will.

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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2007, 03:11:35 AM »
99% efficient... Maybe in you know who's dreams...

Look at the loss of PE in the device. If the ball doesn't fall it gets caught in the magnetic sticky spot...
Esentially translates in to massive losses in PE even after lifting the ball slightly with the track.
JLN labs example of the SMOT lifts the ball 5mm, but then it has to drop the ball 35mm to escape.

Once again... This is not complicated if you approach it while considering ALL input energy including PE.

~Dingus Mungus

EDIT:
We must define practical and incompetent diferently...
Practical would mean you could show some sort of physical evidence.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2007, 10:49:32 PM by Dingus Mungus »

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2007, 04:15:27 PM »
@Dinus Mungus,

Please restrain from cluttering the discussions with your nonsense. You are incompetent and therefore you should keep you opinions only to yourself.

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2007, 05:01:25 PM »
@Dinus Mungus,

Please restrain from cluttering the discussions with your nonsense. You are incompetent and therefore you should keep you opinions only to yourself.

When you can practically demonstrate how energy can be extracted from a SMOT, then you will have the right to call opposing views nonsense.  So far, real world experiments contradict your views.  I guess nature is not convinced by your flawless arguments and equations.

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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2007, 08:58:49 PM »
Don't talk nonsense. I have practically demonstrated how to produce excess energy (energy out of nothing) discontinuously.

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« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2007, 10:59:11 PM »
When where and how have you ever "practically" demonstrated the collection of energy from a SMOT.

This I've got to see. If you can show a SMOT conclusively providing power in a practical way, then I'll renounce gravitational potential as blaspheme and declare you ruler of the world and kiss your feet. So all you have to do now is show me this "practical" example. Other members here understand the basics of physics and can help judge if this example is indeed OU or if it is using PE to achieve the effect.

~Dingus "at least he's not calling me incontinent" Mungus

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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2007, 12:39:15 AM »
No, I don't have to do that. What I've done is enough to demonstrate violation of CoE.

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2007, 01:41:00 AM »
If anyone is willing to accept my advice, ignore the "Omnibus bot" that is how he is known to another forum, his arguments are constant babble.

There are real people doing real experiments and replications, the Omnibot shows nothing of value.

Example of a guy I respect for his replication work...

John Aaron



 

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