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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2007, 08:11:36 PM »
Do you have the exact blueprints and would you be willing to share them?

I would be willing to share them if I had them, but I do have enough information as to recreate the device, and I do have a nice 3d model (which I made) and everything.

I am going on a bit of a vacation this weekend starting after work, so I won't have time to get home and post it all. So, I will post what I have, it isn't mounds of information, but it is what I have accumulated, researched. This will happen probably Sunday or soon enough after...

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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2007, 08:53:59 PM »
Here is a picture of my 3D model, it appears I did have a copy outside of my home computer.

I also made a fly-around DIVX animation for all you to see how this 'flapper' is setup...

I still need to get all the actual information, that is still gonna take some days for that stuff.

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2007, 10:08:57 AM »
Sorry for an off topic question but what program did you use to make that graphic? Also I didn't know a TOMI track was ever proven to work?

Tim

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2007, 10:08:57 AM »
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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2007, 09:29:53 PM »
I'm not able to see any of the avi's but I'm very interested. Missing codec.
/Eric

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2007, 12:00:13 AM »
You need to download and install DivX 4 (OpenDivX).
http://www.divx-digest.com/software/divxcodec4.html

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2007, 02:50:33 AM »
G'day all,

Bishop John Wilkins ( 1614 - 1672 ) would be absolutely delighted to see these pages on the internet.

In case you have never heard of him, here is a little history lesson that I can assure you is on the subject under discussion.


Bishop John Wilkins is probably best known as a founder and first secretary to the British Royal Society (founded in 1660 and received the Royal Charter in 1662). He compiled several books during a period in history when the "magical arts" were being overtaken by "scientific and mechanical arts", and people began to realize that many things once thought magical could be understood by science.

In 1648 he published a book called: "Mathematical Magick or the wonders that may be performed by mechanical geometry".

In this book Wilkins discusses the 'difficulty' of achieving perpetual motion, and considers in detail a device attributed by Schott (in his 1659 "Thaumaturgus Physicus, sive Magiae Universalis Naturae et Artis") to Johannes Taisnierus [Dircks, 1870, p. 93]. It consists of two tilted ramps, an iron ball, and a magnetic lodestone fastened at the top. [This was a "clad" lodestone, a natural chunk of magnetic ore encased in an iron ball, such as used in Gilbert's experiments.] The lodestone at the top (A) pulled the ball (F) up the straight ramp, where it fell through the hole (B) to the lower ramp, rolled down, and through another hole (F) to the straight ramp where it was pulled up again.

After a detailed discussion of practical difficulties, Wilkins finally gets to the bottom line, noting that "the bullet would not fall down through the hole, but ascend to the stone." But he still has some hope that such a device might be made to work.


This is a picture of the device
(http://www.keelytech.com/wilkins.gif)
and here is a picture of the man
(http://www.keelytech.com/wilkinspicture.jpg)

See anything familiar?

Hans von Lieven

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2007, 11:32:35 AM »
What's the point of your little condescending blabbering trivialities? Yours is some useless  text of a well-known unsuccessful effort. @tao's is still to be studied and the fact that someone has been unsuccessful doesn't mean @tao will be. It's like telling us that because you don't have any talent everybody else doesn't have talent.

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2007, 11:23:37 PM »
G'day Omnibus and all,

The point is that nothing has changed, By simply re-arranging a lot of magnets nothing changes in the actual forces at play.
No really new element has been introduced into the setup.

The SMOT idea works in EXACTLY the same way as that historical device with EXACTLY the same outcome.

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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2007, 02:02:02 AM »
@tao

I'm confused by your two presentations.  The first is an animation of a continually-rotating device; the second seems like an entirely different setup with a ramp that pivots, as a see-saw, it appears.  The first unit is symmetrical and the second seems not to be at all.  In the second depiction, you don't show an animated sequence of operation, so I am not able to visualize how it is purported to work at all.

Most confusing is the fact that you seem to refer to both of these as depicting the same approach or concept, suggesting that they show a prior machine by a deceased inventor.  Which lovely model are we talking about replicating?  How does the second system proceed to cycle?  Please explain.  Thank you.

@omnibus 

This is not an invitation for you to attack and begin once again to spew venomous insults.  I am openly admitting that I am confused by the two apparently different presentations and am asking the presenter to explain and clarify.  Thank you for restraining yourself.  I know you vehemently despise me and think me an incompetent idiot whose very existence is a waste and insult.  Your opinion has been duly noted and registered on several prior occasions.  No need to further elaborate.

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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2007, 07:59:41 AM »
G'day Omnibus and all,

The point is that nothing has changed, By simply re-arranging a lot of magnets nothing changes in the actual forces at play.
No really new element has been introduced into the setup.

The SMOT idea works in EXACTLY the same way as that historical device with EXACTLY the same outcome.

Hans von Lieven
No, it doesn't. It doesnt work in exactly the same way. Absolutely not. Q working model should be a result of fine-tuning which hasn't been applied to the medieval trial. A broken watch looks exactly the same as a working one but they in fact differ, the non-working watch doesn't work while the working ticks.

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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2007, 08:10:11 AM »
@tao

I'm confused by your two presentations.  The first is an animation of a continually-rotating device; the second seems like an entirely different setup with a ramp that pivots, as a see-saw, it appears.  The first unit is symmetrical and the second seems not to be at all.  In the second depiction, you don't show an animated sequence of operation, so I am not able to visualize how it is purported to work at all.

Most confusing is the fact that you seem to refer to both of these as depicting the same approach or concept, suggesting that they show a prior machine by a deceased inventor.  Which lovely model are we talking about replicating?  How does the second system proceed to cycle?  Please explain.  Thank you.

@omnibus 

This is not an invitation for you to attack and begin once again to spew venomous insults.  I am openly admitting that I am confused by the two apparently different presentations and am asking the presenter to explain and clarify.  Thank you for restraining yourself.  I know you vehemently despise me and think me an incompetent idiot whose very existence is a waste and insult.  Your opinion has been duly noted and registered on several prior occasions.  No need to further elaborate.
Aha, the same approach or concept must always be clothed in exactly the same construction and if not it confuses you. To explain to you why diversity in constructing devices based on the same concept is only natural is a waste of time. Instead of cluttering the forum with your confusion you should have done something to become comfortable with such matters bothering you prior to deciding to post in this forum. 

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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2007, 08:28:34 AM »
@tao

I'm confused by your two presentations.  The first is an animation of a continually-rotating device; the second seems like an entirely different setup with a ramp that pivots, as a see-saw, it appears.  The first unit is symmetrical and the second seems not to be at all.  In the second depiction, you don't show an animated sequence of operation, so I am not able to visualize how it is purported to work at all.

Most confusing is the fact that you seem to refer to both of these as depicting the same approach or concept, suggesting that they show a prior machine by a deceased inventor.  Which lovely model are we talking about replicating?  How does the second system proceed to cycle?  Please explain.  Thank you.


I have shown two different devices. The first animation is showing what a SMOT could look like when the pendulum principles that Harris used are adapted to itself. Many of the people on this forum are MUCH more involved and familiar with the SMOT and not the TOMI principles from Harris, so I was basically letting all those attempting self-running SMOTs to see a workable-mechanism (the pendulum) in relation to their attempts.

The second image/flyaround video is indeed of a different device, this device being the FLAPPER, as Harris called it. It continually rotates also, just like that first animation, but I just didn't make the 3d animation of it rotating. Picture the ramp moving just like the piece rotating in that first animation, that is how it moves, based on a pendulum. It is based on the TOMI principle, a different principle than the SMOT, and has some more favorable characteristics to it, like being able to move the ROLLER at greater than 25% inclines, hell it can lift at 90% inclines as Harris has pointed out, so certainly it is more favorable for the making of a FLAPPER. The reason I showed the second device was to allow people to see what Harris's FLAPPER device looked like, in essence.

I care not which model anyone wishes to replicate, I am merely synthesizing ideas for those who may not have ever heard of the FLAPPER or Harris, etc... I for one, totally believe Harris's claims for his FLAPPER, he had nothing to gain or lose in making them, especially since almost no one even knows of these claims.

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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2007, 08:45:29 AM »
The second model obviously cannot rotate as drawn (the vertical supports are too short), nor is it symmetrical about the pivot point, top and bottom or end to end (as drawn), so I assumed, given those very strong visual clues, that it rocked like a seesaw.  I guess that's the source of my confusion.  Beautiful rendering but not effective at communicating the mode of operation, in my opinion. 

So, tao says they are two quite different principals but omnibus says they are the same and that I'm a total moron for not seeing through that thin veil of disguise. 

Not gonna comment, no opinion here.  Just trying to understand what is being stated. proposed and claimed all around.  Not trying to start a hissy fit contest.

Humbugger
« Last Edit: August 31, 2007, 09:05:39 AM by Humbugger »

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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2007, 10:59:51 PM »
The second model obviously cannot rotate as drawn (the vertical supports are too short), nor is it symmetrical about the pivot point, top and bottom or end to end (as drawn), so I assumed, given those very strong visual clues, that it rocked like a seesaw.  I guess that's the source of my confusion.  Beautiful rendering but not effective at communicating the mode of operation, in my opinion. 

So, tao says they are two quite different principals but omnibus says they are the same and that I'm a total moron for not seeing through that thin veil of disguise. 

Not gonna comment, no opinion here.  Just trying to understand what is being stated. proposed and claimed all around.  Not trying to start a hissy fit contest.

Humbugger

I know how you feel Hum, all the SMOT threads hate my opinions and questions too. Just a tip... When they start pulling out nonsensical equations, its not worth posting the correct equations. (e=GMh is an insult in the SMOT community)

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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2007, 05:46:03 AM »
The second model obviously cannot rotate as drawn (the vertical supports are too short), nor is it symmetrical about the pivot point, top and bottom or end to end (as drawn), so I assumed, given those very strong visual clues, that it rocked like a seesaw.  I guess that's the source of my confusion.  Beautiful rendering but not effective at communicating the mode of operation, in my opinion. 

So, tao says they are two quite different principals but omnibus says they are the same and that I'm a total moron for not seeing through that thin veil of disguise. 

Not gonna comment, no opinion here.  Just trying to understand what is being stated. proposed and claimed all around.  Not trying to start a hissy fit contest.

Humbugger

I know how you feel Hum, all the SMOT threads hate my opinions and questions too. Just a tip... When they start pulling out nonsensical equations, its not worth posting the correct equations. (e=GMh is an insult in the SMOT community)

 :D

~Dingus Mungus
This is impudent nonsense which you continue to spew shamelessly. This should stop. It has been proven conclusively that SMOT violates CoE.

 

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