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Author Topic: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...  (Read 21509 times)

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« on: August 08, 2007, 10:02:48 PM »
I came across Patrick Harris many years ago, he is the one that brought for his theories and tests on the Theory of Magnetic Instability, aka TOMI.

He stated at that time, many years ago, that he had what he called a FLAPPER, and that it CONTINUOUSLY ROTATED. I have his actual words on all of this somewhere.

Needless to say, I am all but sure he is already dead now. He was dying at the time, and in very bad health. He was already frustrated with all the bashing that went on in regard to his TOMI experiments and how people wouldn't even try his experiments and merely armchair-bash him.


Anyway, for all of you who have wanted to link SMOTs up in a circle or know that there is FE involved in the SMOT but don't know quite how to tap it to make a self-runner, I give you this: The Flapper of Patrick Harris.

Maybe this is old news to you all, if so, great, just look at the video and say how nice the graphics are. For those of you that have been looking for a way to make the SMOT continuously moving, this might just be your way, after all, Harris said it worked for him!

The video below shows how the rotating piece would basically move, the supports and all that are not shown. The idea is that once the ball from the SMOT gets to the end of the ramp and moves a bit from the magnets, the weight is great enough that the ramp breaks free, like a pendulum and EASILY brings the SMOT ball back to its original position, where the ramp would have to lock back into place via a simple mechanical one-way locking/holding mechanism. The SMOT ramp would have to have a greater incline than is shown in the video, but you get the point! Harris was able to achieve a greater than 25% incline easily, so he never had issues.

I will not be attempting this anytime soon, but I felt that you all might want to have the idea regardless, considering many/most people have never heard of Harris's FLAPPER, or that he claimed it continuously rotated!

Enjoy...


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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2007, 10:36:07 PM »
Thank you, Tao. I so often enjoy your informative posts here on the forum; and that was nice clear animation you did there. Ingenious idea.

I was nor aware one could accomplish a 25% rise with a smot; and this seems the first construction hurdle to reach that would deliver the needed energy to accomplish the pendulum swing.

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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2007, 10:43:09 PM »
Thank you, Tao. I so often enjoy your informative posts here on the forum; and that was nice clear animation you did there. Ingenious idea.

I was nor aware one could accomplish a 25% rise with a smot; and this seems the first construction hurdle to reach that would deliver the needed energy to accomplish the pendulum swing.

j


Harris achieved a greater than 25% slope with his TOMI principle, it is MUCH different than the SMOT principle.

But, instead of increasing the SMOT's slope, you could always just use a longer ramp. A longer ramp on a SMOT would allow the ball to reach a higher height, and then the ramp as a PENDULUM should be able to get back to the starting point.

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2007, 11:18:05 PM »
Edited: nevermind, sorry.

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2007, 11:49:19 PM »
I also can not view the video on this computer. Could someone upload it to youtube?

Thanks in advance,
~Dingus Mungus

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2007, 01:35:50 PM »
What is the difference between this idea and just letting the ball roll back along a fixed track?

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Re: 'T.O.M.I. Flapper' applied to a S.M.O.T., Self-Runner...
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2007, 03:32:20 PM »
What is the difference between this idea and just letting the ball roll back along a fixed track?

The first difference is that the ball doesn't have to travel out from the ramp and around the SMOT magnets and enter back into the SMOT ramp in a normal parallel fashion. In this FLAPPER setup, the ball arrives at the ramp perpendicular to the SMOT magnets. Envision what I mean. The FLAPPER setup is like you are placing the ball onto the SMOT from ABOVE/BELOW (perpendicular) to the SMOT ramp and magnets, whereas the track method of returning the ball can only return the ball parallel to the SMOT ramp and magnets, like if you pushed the ball into a normal SMOT ramp instead of placing the ball from above.

The other difference is that instead of having the ball roll around on the track, the whole time experiencing loss due to friction, all be it little, whereas in the FLAPPER setup the friction is only for a shorter period of time and it is the friction the rotor's axis experiences.


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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2007, 04:32:43 PM »
But the ball can follow a track that takes the exact same path that the pendulum does.

I do see the point about the rolling friction, but is this really more friction than the bearing that the pendulum would rotate on?

My understanding is that rolling friction is extremely small.

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2007, 04:36:47 PM »
I think this could work... It takes less force to pull the ball up or down than to pull it forward out of the track. Gravity might be just enough to pull it out.. I'll give this one a try and see...




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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2007, 03:38:28 PM »
@tao,

Thanks a lot for the beautiful rendition. If this works SMOT will have a direct practical application not just an undeniable demo for the reality of overunity. To make it work, though, it would need a lot of tuning up. The problem, as I see it, is that not only the excess energy is probably comparable to the losses but it isn't obtained in the form it can be used--for instance, the ball exits the ramp almost horizontally bumping into the frame in a direction which doesn't favor the rotation of the frame. I hope, however, it would be within reach of a skillful experimenter. Once again, that is a really interesting construction. Too bad no records have been left of its realization by the inventor.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2007, 03:46:00 PM »
@tao,

Thanks a lot for the beautiful rendition. If this works SMOT will have a direct practical application not just an undeniable demo for the reality of overunity. To make it work, though, it would need a lot of tuning up. The problem, as I see it, is that not only the excess energy is probably comparable to the losses but it isn't obtained in the form it can be used--for instance, the ball exits the ramp almost horizontally bumping into the frame in a direction which doesn't favor the rotation of the frame. I hope, however, it would be within reach of a skillful experimenter. Once again, that is a really interesting construction. Too bad no records have been left of its realization by the inventor.


I do have the descriptions from Patrick Harris himself, concerning his TOMI FLAPPER.

Please note that my animation is just that, an animation showing the basic principle. The ramp would have to have a decent incline angle (the reason I have the ramp almost horizontal is because it was easier to animate) to it and be a good length. It would then be possible via the pendulum to get the ball back to the starting point. There are a lot of variables, for sure.

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2007, 05:05:59 PM »
I do have the descriptions from Patrick Harris himself, concerning his TOMI FLAPPER.
Won't you be interested in replicating it? Seems like a very interesting project.

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2007, 06:16:14 PM »
I do have the descriptions from Patrick Harris himself, concerning his TOMI FLAPPER.
Won't you be interested in replicating it? Seems like a very interesting project.

I have been interested in replicating it since I saw Harris's information on it all, leading me to believe almost without a doubt that he did have a continuously running FLAPPER. His of course used the TOMI technology though. The initial drawbacks for me at the time, some years back now, were money and time and mechanical construction skill.


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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2007, 07:40:34 PM »
Do you have the exact blueprints and would you be willing to share them?

 

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