@rasg

Welcome. I saw your other post also.

If your device is a simple system that can quickly be made and replicated, I would strongly urge you to consider the open source route. The simpler, the device, the more it produces, the more dangerous it is to companies and industries.  The more difficult it will be to get it on the market yourself.

On the other hand, if the device involves complicated mechanisms, controls, electronics, etc., it may then be a chance to go patent-industry. But to get anyone of serious nature involved in your project, you have to first have the device performance tested by a third party, otherwise it will be difficult to attract any type of investor. In fact, an investor would not be a serious person if there was no scientific basis to consider, such as a performance report.

But either way, I would urge you to go open source and divulge your device to the world as fast as possible, but with the best information already on hand, such as plans, pictures, video, texts of function and how to build, etc. The more precise your information, the less questions or criticism will be received. And from there, if the device needs fine-tuning or better functions, this board will be able to help in every way, especially in replication of the device to confirm it is what it is.

Yes you can go the patent route and "dream" of the billions, but tell yourself before a corporation pays such money, they will consider other less expensive avenues to control you. If you go open source, it's to late for anyone to do or say anything and you will be forever credited for the creation.

Consider "what does it give you to be the richest man in the cemetery". There is no greater gift then the one we are always striving to give mankind. It takes a very special person and you would not be left hands empty, on the contrary, but you have to believe that mankind comes first before your bank account.

Nicely said wattsup. And i agree also. Moab

If one could obtain patents, money or grants for a product that negates the need for fossil fuels, don't you think something would have come to market by now? Open source your projects or your idea will be lost to the winds of time just like all the others that came before you. I assure you, there are no investors here, but many people who would spend their own money to replicate your device and confirm it has a CoP>1.

Good luck and be safe,
~Dingus Mungus

I would like to to open source, but how would it be warranty that not others get the benefit. I would like a company to produce it, it is a very simple way to doit, and costed around 700 usd, from buying stuff at stores like Sams or Home Depot. So if a big company can set a production line, it would sure be able to make a good profit. I dont dream in billions, but yes I would like to have some benefit....

@rasg

I am very happy to see your are considering the open source route.

Let me give you some other angles to help you in this consideration.

1) If you patent the device, you will have to spend serious money and hope that your claims do not get rebuttled or you will have to pay more. Also, this is based on the fact that you will be able to patent in the first place because there is a possibility that your application may be refused.

2) During this patent process, you will have to wait until everything is in order before you can disclose your device.

3) Then comes the arduous task of finding the right business partner, the right deal, the right money investment, and start to build a company with all these often opposing forces always gnawing at you from all sides.

OPEN SOURCE

1) The day you have made your disclosure to open source is the day you can block in the annals of OU history as your own. If anyone comes in saying they can prove they had this device before you, they would have to do a very good job of documentation to provide this.

2) The same day some here will replicate to confirm the project works as stated. Now if there are any bugs, these can be worked out by the group here. Also improvements that you may not have considered would possibly be quick in comming by people here who have more experience in other fields that may be relative and beneficial.

3) The next day, you can start making the device and selling the device without having to worry about all the tight lipped scenarios one dreads.

4) The same day others can start making the device and selling the device.

5) Those others who are honorable will always hold a portion of the gain for you as the inventor as we all know what it takes to come up with such ideas and put them into practice. I would make it and sell it also in my area.

6) Realize that there will always be some who will simply refuse to conpensate you but they would have done this either patented of not. Just don't worry about these as they will be flashes in the pan.

7) Once open source, you may still get offers to join you in your quest to spead the OU message around the world, and get paid for it.

Rasg, nothing in open source will hurt you, but everything in patenting and corporate doldrums can and most likely will to one extent or another.

So the choice is live free and spread the word while earned a respectful living, or, live in a quasi paranoia while you are trying to make a buck. There is the trade off.

If you do go open source and you are worried about someone else being credited for your invention, write it all down in detail, and mail it to yourself like a normal letter, and never ever open it under any circumstance. If someone else claims it to be theres you have complete documentation.

G'day all,

What Imsoolazy is proposing is not a good way of doing it. The only "proof" of prior art would be the date stamp on the envelope. something that can easily be forged, besides it does not prove anything. You can easily mail an envelope with a blank sheet of paper to yourself and  not seal the envelope. After you have received the stamped envelope you can put in anything you want at anytime you want.

This kind of "proof" will not last five minutes in Court if challenged.

A better way is to put your project write-up into an envelope, seal it with sealing wax (yes, they still do stuff like this) and deposit it with a prestigious lawfirm or a public trustee.

After obtaining a receipt, as a second string to the bow, buy a small advert in a newspaper and advertise under, say public notices, the fact that you have deposited an envelope with an invention and give the receipt number or some other unique identifying detail. You do not need to disclose where the envelope is on deposit.

This gives a much better level of protection and is hard to argue with.

Hans von Lieven