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Offline Lightwave

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Tesla + Meyer + water
« on: May 30, 2005, 09:53:29 PM »

If your formilure with Stanley Meyer's pattents

http://tinyurl.com/cdro4

just add water to Tesla's patent
http://tinyurl.com/a2weu

The secret to natural resonance is in the length of a lightwave, combined with the music scale of 12 notes and 7 harmonic frequencies. Harmonics = X2  or Planks constant of 1/2. Natural resonance.

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Tesla + Meyer + water
« on: May 30, 2005, 09:53:29 PM »

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2005, 05:30:11 AM »
ive been reading through a lot of meyers' patents.  lots of good info.  im going to try and replicate what hes done once im done with finals in a week and have more time.

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2005, 05:02:37 PM »
sorry to shatter everyones dreams, but ive been doing a lot of reading and research into this area.  ive always had this thought in my head, but now its verified.  its impossible to generate hydrogen by electrolysis and then use it to power an ICE with only water as the exhaust.  this violates the laws of thermodynamics...but dont take my word for it   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell

and also

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html

as you can see from those two processes, they are equal and opposite, thus a closed loop system, which is possible, assuming 100% efficiency.  but then no energy can be extracted from the system, making is useless....

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2005, 05:02:37 PM »
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Offline DADINK

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2005, 11:31:17 PM »
tman, thanks,
now I don't have to work on my projects anymore.

Offline DADINK

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2005, 09:16:57 PM »
by the way I've bettered the I,C,E,
and yes that is a FACT

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Offline Ros-Co.

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2006, 06:35:34 PM »
I think I put my comment to a wrong topic. sorry.

That's better in it.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,742.15.html

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2006, 09:51:07 PM »
That doesn't apply to Stan's patent he not extracting hydrogen by electrolysis. As you may have noticed this devise doesn't respond to Z matching for max power transfer. Stan's system is electronically stripping the hydrogen from the water molecule. In fact it's necessary to limit the current to 5 milliamps. Haven't you seen vids of Stan's car running? Don't give up your project. 40000 volts at .005 amps is only a 200 watt output requirement plus imput the drive the curcuit a 25 amp fuse should handle it. Just install the highest amp stator you can get for your cars alternator and go. 
« Last Edit: June 01, 2006, 10:28:52 PM by raburgeson »

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Offline Ros-Co.

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2006, 10:25:48 PM »
Ok, I know that's not "electrolisis".   The very strong electric force split the molecule.

The problem with the meyer cell is, the ohmic loss.  I cannot put any high voltage to water, because  the cell's resistance about few hundred ohms. (with tap water, with distilled water it increases to few kiloohms)   An 500 ohm cell resistance at 1KV  means 2A, it needs 2KW of power.  The resonance cannot help to reduce the power consumption, because the resistance of the cell reduces the Q of the oscillating circuit. (formed by the inductor, and cell capacitor)

I think Meyer used insulator coated electrodes, so it generates better resonance effect.  In the next experiment I'm going to try it.
If I remember correctly Meyer said 0,5A current.  or 5mA you said?

Early I tried the experiment with pulses, but it's not work...  More power required yet.

I only saw 2 videos, in the first there is a cell experiment, and in the secon there is a car "buggy"   but without any useable technical information.

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2006, 10:50:47 PM »
Ok, I know that's not "electrolisis".   The very strong electric force split the molecule.

The problem with the meyer cell is, the ohmic loss.  I cannot put any high voltage to water, because  the cell's resistance about few hundred ohms. (with tap water, with distilled water it increases to few kiloohms)   An 500 ohm cell resistance at 1KV  means 2A, it needs 2KW of power.  The resonance cannot help to reduce the power consumption, because the resistance of the cell reduces the Q of the oscillating circuit. (formed by the inductor, and cell capacitor)

I think Meyer used insulator coated electrodes, so it generates better resonance effect.  In the next experiment I'm going to try it.
If I remember correctly Meyer said 0,5A current.  or 5mA you said?

Early I tried the experiment with pulses, but it's not work...  More power required yet.

I only saw 2 videos, in the first there is a cell experiment, and in the secon there is a car "buggy"   but without any useable technical information.

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Ros-Co.

at 25 deg C water resistivity is aprox 18.2 MegaOhms-cm
http://www.thorntoninc.com/pdf_files/tech_pubs/ECS_04.pdf
even at 1.5 mm gap between the plates/cylinders it's over 1 MegaOhm

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2006, 11:36:46 PM »
tao, interesting, thx.
Also in that video clip Meyer seems to be running a car alternator off a motor? It's not too clear if the alternator is providing the power for the rest of his electronics.

I'd like to see taking the produced gas, plumbing it into an off the self gas generator, and if the generator produces enough power to run the electronics for the water "splitting" with some power to spare, then that is it!!!

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2006, 12:10:08 AM »
Exactly mike,

That would easily show the system working. Cell->Gas Generator->Cell. LOOPED.

Just like JL Naudin did with his bingo fuel, expect the bingo fuel process ATE all the carbon ;). http://jlnlabs.imars.com/bingofuel/html/bfr5hpgen.htm

Anyway, Meyer was using the alternator to run his cell demos because that was exactly how his system would look in a car, with its electrical system.



aha!! there it is. Ok, is the power supply that feeds the cell, hooked up to the Honda generator? It's not clear from the pics. If it is, then that's the answer period. Do they have any power output tests done on the generator? Idling at no load, may not be enough, as the cell seems to draw considerble power, from reading the description it's pulling about 30V x 81 Amps


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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2006, 03:56:13 AM »

The power supply first feeds the cell but then the cell power comes right from the generator. You can see this in the video when they switch power sources, after the generator is running.

Only problem with the BingoFuel is that it consumes carbon for its reactions to take place and that is why the generator stops in the video. If you ran a car on the stuff, you would be running your car on water and carbon rods, lol. ;)

In that video from the site/page above,
I see they turn on the power supply before they start the engine. Which is ok because they need to get the cell and gas generation going before they pullstart the engine.
But after that the pesron who turned the power supply on, moves away and I don't see a switch to get a feed back from the engine. Are there any other videos that show the feedback of power from the engine/generator back to the power supply that feeds the cell?

Fully agree on the supply of carbon rods, depending on how fast they are used up it may not be practical. :)
However; it sure demonstrates the proccess.

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2006, 09:01:25 AM »
mikestocks2006  I NEVER measure more than few kiloohm resistance.  It is impossible to keep very clean the water, and ay waste dramatically increases ionic conductivity.   But Meyer said, it works with normal tap water and saltwater.

Or the resonance maybe changes the conductivity of the cell?  I don't know.

There is a video on NORMAL electrolisis, 12V 10A with normal tap water, and 1,5mm gap.  few ohms..
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/horvath/MVI_3287.AVI


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I have an idea for bingofuel.  using carbon rods to generate gas is difficult, and not efficient.   A fine dust of carbon "emulsion"  on the water should be used.  And some arcing under the water  needed.  Maybe it generates more gas, and you don t need carbon rods, only some piece of carbon.  I think its less difficult to drive a car.
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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2006, 01:07:35 AM »
mikestocks2006  I NEVER measure more than few kiloohm resistance.  It is impossible to keep very clean the water, and ay waste dramatically increases ionic conductivity.   But Meyer said, it works with normal tap water and saltwater.

Or the resonance maybe changes the conductivity of the cell?  I don't know.

There is a video on NORMAL electrolisis, 12V 10A with normal tap water, and 1,5mm gap.  few ohms..
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/horvath/MVI_3287.AVI


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I have an idea for bingofuel.  using carbon rods to generate gas is difficult, and not efficient.   A fine dust of carbon "emulsion"  on the water should be used.  And some arcing under the water  needed.  Maybe it generates more gas, and you don t need carbon rods, only some piece of carbon.  I think its less difficult to drive a car.

Yes it may very well be the impurities, that bring the resistance measurements lower. Agree on the higher frequencies and possibly the mentioned in some sources "cascade effect" would effect the resistivity.

Thanks for the numbers and the video ref. Nice work! Did you ever try distilled and/or de-ionized water?

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2006, 04:36:42 PM »
Hi!

Thanx.  :)

In the video there was tap water.  With distilled water it doesn'n work.  I use clear distilled water (not deionised) from Chemist's.  But any waste on electrodes, easily pollute the water. 

Regards
Ros-Co.

 

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