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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: RunningBare on August 04, 2007, 12:16:47 PM
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I had wondered why there were not many skeptics on these boards and now I know
Locking my thread and changing the title does not change the facts, the Newman motor does not work as advertised and I did not set out to use it to pulse the video drum, not that it makes any difference, if I remove the casing from any dc motor I can achieve the same effect.
There is something wierd about something staring a person straight in the face but they choose to ignore it because it does not fit in with the almost religious belief in over unity, perpetual motion, call it what you want, there is no free lunch, you do NOT canNOT get something from nothing, do the maths, 1 from 0 = 0, 1000 from 0 = 0
But there is a way to gain on something that exists now, unfortunatly some of you are so blinded by the promise of "free energy" that you just cannot see it, good luck to you all, I really mean it, your going to need it.
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There is really no point in offending the group.
I am a usually a skeptic and, regarding your failed experiments, I think that Newman is exploiting a very weak source of energy coming from Earth?s rotation. According to my estimates, huge coils are needed in order to make it work and, even so, the energy extracted will be quite small. By huge I mean 750k turns and more! Smaller devices (several hundreds of a couple of thousands turns) might show some energy anomalies but they will not be self sustained. For a huge coil, the driving voltage needs to be quite large (due to huge impedance) and the setup is not easy to make for a hobbyist. Loses also need to be carefully minimized. (On the other hand, Harti and others belief that OU in Newman?s machine is caused by the air discharge onto graphite; I could not confirm such an effect but I can not dismiss it either. Anyway, no matter what the real explanation is, for an experimenter interested in Newman you seem to give up in disillusion, before properly doing your homework) These are just some thoughts I considered relevant to open your eyes.
If you really want something deep in free energy, I suggest you read
http://physics.fullerton.edu/~jimw/general/massfluc/index.htm
That?s good science if you can follow it. You may need to read also the other associated articles posted at
http://physics.fullerton.edu/~jimw/general/index.htm
(I know: it?s dealing with gravity&inertia and maybe a new thread might be more appropriate. One more: Mr. Tseung, if you?re reading this, please do not say it?s your ?Lead-out? theory, because really it is not.)
Also, do not forget http://www.blazelabs.com and its New energy research, Project Ixion.
There are many other good documentary sources, depending on your interest. Bottom line is that free energy is not going to become available from the building of a simple device. If it was, it would have been discovered long time ago. You may find free energy all around but the power levels are too small to be of practical interest. The rest of the free energy sources are deeply hidden behind good science and hard equations. (Like the nuclear energy was less than 70 years ago.) Now, these are two completely different approaches. What are you looking for: a weak and forever self-running device but of no practical importance or a break-trough device that can generate enough energy to power your home? I?m on the second although I follow the first category too, because a principle can be identified from this.
Anyway, you?re somehow right: another exploitable source of energy may not be discovered in a short time. But, imho, it deserves a good try. You?re also right when getting upset on over-belief, credulity and false claims. However, Newman?s machine is not a false claim. It is just that your expectations were too high and maybe your patience and scientific background not sufficient for the challenge.
Enough said. Maybe you left already. But if not, please do not consider that we are all blind. There are extraordinary people into this group.
Have a nice day,
Tinu
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There is really no point in offending the group.
From my perspective I was offended first, you do not take someone elses posts and change them to suit your needs, thats out of order, if the rest of the members feel I have offended them then that was not my intention, but if they were honest with themselves they would agree that taking someone elses efforts and perverting it is clearly out of line.
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Well, I had no idea that your posts were edited by someone else. I saw that they were removed by yourself, according to the records: ?Last Edit: Today at 11:02:57 AM by RunningBare?, except the last one saying that ?I refuse to put my efforts on a forum that locks, edits or changes my stuff in anyway, if I was swearing and abusive then I would understand, but I have low tolerance for ignorance.?
Then you talk about someone else taking your efforts and perverting it. Meaning?
What was the whole story, anyway?
(I?m interested because at the beginning of this year, in good faith I was giving two relevant ideas in gn0sis.com onto Bedini?s setup, at that time in conjunction with Mike?s motor: the pendulum approach and the similitude of his setup with a regular PC fan. It is not that I wanted then or that I want now something in exchange but I do not feel it is right that Mr. Bedini?s latest video sells the pendulum setup and lately R. Friederick (by far the closest follower of Mr. Bedini as far as I know) is experimenting with fans. If it?s about making money, I think their approach is not fair at all. This is free information, coming from forums and not something that can be used for their wealth! Once you got it free, promote it free!)
Also, I forgot to ask: you talk on the above first post about ?a way to gain on something that exists now?. I couldn?t get the point. Can you be more specific?
Tinu
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@RunningBare
you seem to be here to make fun of some people which your other webcam
coyboy hat video shows.
I have zero tolerance for faking videos and make fun of other
serious experimentors over here and make them look dumb.
This seems, what you intended to do.
Also some users from the Steorn forum told me, that you behaved there
also very unpolite, so I changed the title from your
faked post from "Praise I did it" to the real fact thing:
"Running external magnet rotor via Newman machine at a distance"
so you could not rename it again and locked the thread...
So please stop to bash people over here and making all fun
of the hard working individuals over here.
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Well, I had no idea that your posts were edited by someone else. I saw that they were removed by yourself, according to the records: ?Last Edit: Today at 11:02:57 AM by RunningBare?,
Yes, those I removed myself, I'm not sharing my efforts on a forum where the title of the posts are changed from the original by the administrator, to suit himself.
Look at the the thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2902.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2902.0.html)
except the last one saying that ?I refuse to put my efforts on a forum that locks, edits or changes my stuff in anyway, if I was swearing and abusive then I would understand, but I have low tolerance for ignorance.?
Then you talk about someone else taking your efforts and perverting it. Meaning?
What was the whole story, anyway?
See above
Also, I forgot to ask: you talk on the above first post about ?a way to gain on something that exists now?. I couldn?t get the point. Can you be more specific?
Tinu
My full apologies to you Timu, but I'm sure you can understand that I'm somewhat reluctant to discuss that.
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(I?m interested because at the beginning of this year, in good faith I was giving two relevant ideas in gn0sis.com onto Bedini?s setup, at that time in conjunction with Mike?s motor: the pendulum approach and the similitude of his setup with a regular PC fan. It is not that I wanted then or that I want now something in exchange but I do not feel it is right that Mr. Bedini?s latest video sells the pendulum setup and lately R. Friederick (by far the closest follower of Mr. Bedini as far as I know) is experimenting with fans. If it?s about making money, I think their approach is not fair at all. This is free information, coming from forums and not something that can be used for their wealth! Once you got it free, promote it free!)
@Tinu,
was the Pendulum idea yours first and Mr. Bedini replicated it then and now does
not give reference to you ?
Could you please post the exact URL to your earlier post on gn0sis ?
Many thanks.
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@RunningBare
you seem to be here to make fun of some people which your other webcam
coyboy hat hat videos shows.
I have zero tolerance for faking videos and make fun of other
serious experimentors and make then look dumb.
This seems, what you intended to do.
Also some users from the Steorn forum told me, that you behaved there
also very unpolite, so I changed the title from your
faked post from "Praise I did it" to the real fact thing:
"Running external magnet rotor via Newman machine at a distance"
so you could not rename it again and locked the thread...
So please stop to bash people over here and making all fun
of the hard working individuals over here.
I also put a lot of effort in, your out of line, but no matter, everything that matters has been removed by me, I will no longer submit to this forum.
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Okay, thanks for clearing this up
RunningBare.
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One last thing, delete my account.
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Harti,
It took a while to find the posts...
Here they are:
First experiments, oscillatory system:
http://www.gn0sis.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,42/func,view/catid,41/id,3527/
PC fan, the equivalence of the ?window motor?, clearly stated:
http://www.gn0sis.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,42/func,view/catid,41/id,4164/
(first post on that page; there are two of them)
pendulum presented, schematics, results, photos etc. http://www.gn0sis.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,42/func,view/id,2236/catid,41/limit,20/limitstart,1400/
All my posts can be found at http://www.gn0sis.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=225
Unfortunately the site lost many members once the Mike story was over, as you probably know. I had posted only 7 messages there but the relevant ones are dated February and March. You may look for the replies of Mr. Bedini himself to my posts.
Please do not misunderstand me: I am not looking for being given any kind of reference on my name. I was simply disappointed back then because I could not find much useful information coming from Mr. Bedini?s team but vague promises and their strong desire to sell and make money. Nowadays, they promote the same old-story self-running but apologies me for asking: where is the self-runner?!!!
Tinu
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Harti,
Mr. Bedini?s team but vague promises and their strong desire to sell and make money. Nowadays, they promote the same old-story self-running but apologies me for asking: where is the self-runner?!!!
Tinu
I constructed the Bedini schoolboy motor, same result as the newman motor.
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I agree with TINU, their really are some extraordinary people here. they are also very helpful to us beginers. there are also some MEGALOMANIAC's Here... runningbare is the only one I've seen who only puts down other peoples ideas. he might be easyer to take if he had his own "idea" or if he really did have a sense of humor and not just want to put other people down.
anyway I think overunity is not only possible but not the hard, the problem is the most capable and educated won't touch it
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I agree with TINU, their really are some extraordinary people here. they are also very helpful to us beginers. there are also some MEGALOMANIAC's Here... runningbare is the only one I've seen who only puts down other peoples ideas. he might be easyer to take if he had his own "idea" or if he really did have a sense of humor and not just want to put other people down.
anyway I think overunity is not only possible but not the hard, the problem is the most capable and educated won't touch it
You think perhaps they know something you do not?
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While I still continue the search both practically and accademically for that elusive partical of free energy, at this point I wonder why I argue with anyone as a skeptic because there is only one real argument....
After 100s of years of claims of OU, Perpetual motion, free energy, call it what you will, there is only one question you need to answer: why are you still connected to the grid?
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I am not connected to the grid .
If there is no OU or more out than in . Explain the nuclear bomb.
From mining to final process the energy out is far greater.
Water is free why is it that power/electric is not , because you can not see it?
You can not see the wind , but can see the great damage from its output.
You yourself , if you are human then you are an OU device.
To many cavemen still in this world
IronHead
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I am not connected to the grid .
If there is no OU or more out than in . Explain the nuclear bomb.
From mining to final process the energy out is far greater.
Then can we call a match when it's struck over unity?
Water is free why is it that power/electric is not , because you can not see it?
Who says water is free, what do you think it costs to pump it back up to the top resevoir?
You can not see the wind , but can see the great damage from its output.
The wind is indeed a great source of free energy, but the turbines still require maintenance, who pays?
You yourself , if you are human then you are an OU device.
We are incredibly efficient machines, incredibly efficient at converting the food and drink we eat into energy, but we eventually wither away and die.
To many cavemen still in this world
If that was meant as an insult, it was a pretty poor one.
IronHead
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I said nothing about pumping water . the river flow all the time here.
I said nothing about making electric using wind turbines . I only
am talking about its motive force. Also comparing to electric that you do not see.
Free electrons through out space.
All things in this universe die , this is about OU not perpetual motion.
Cavemen was meant world wide and not meant for you as clearly stated.
I understand your anger , feeling helpless in creating and supporting your world .When the world around you just wants to enslave you and take all they can from you to give you the little you need to survive .
Have to rely on outside sources that hold you hostage to the all mighty dollar.
Working your ass off to make a life that is all very unstable as you rely on other to keep you lights on as long as you pay that bill. Hoping the food store is always going to be there to feed your family . Wondering what it is going to cost you a year from now just to drive to work when gas keeps going up and your pay check does not. I been there!
Escaping the brainwash is a very serious and difficult thing to achieve . The pain alone of
learning to escape and the time it takes is near unbearable.
Time , We can spend all our money and make it all back . But when we spend our time
those moments are gone for good.
IronHead
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I said nothing about pumping water . the river flow all the time here.
I said nothing about making electric using wind turbines . I only
am talking about its motive force. Also comparing to electric that you do not see.
Free electrons through out space.
Yes, these exists, our present technology actually does grab them, in the form of generators and stuff, generators do not create energy, they convert energy.
All things in this universe die , this is about OU not perpetual motion.
Ask most what OU means, and I'll bet they say "getting out more than you put in", dont know about you, but my maths says I cannot get 3 apples out of a basket containing 2.
Cavemen was meant world wide and not meant for you as clearly stated.
understood.
I understand your anger
Are you sure it's me your talking too? ;D
hop, skip and jump
Wondering what it is going to cost you 5 years from now just to drive to work when gas keeps going up and your pay check does not. I been there!
I have not used gasoline in years, I ride a pedalec.
Escaping the brainwash is a very serious and difficult thing to achieve . The pain alone of
learning to escape and the time it takes is near unbearable.
I am free to think, thats why I am a skeptic, wierd huh? ;)
Time , We can spend all our money and make it all back . But when we spend our time
those moments are gone for good.
You mean you only get one chance at life?, yup thats very true, so I live mine with an open mind, until proved either way
IronHead
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One apple seed will produce many apples .
But I understand you point ,well said. Maybe I was wrong about
your anger on all points. If this is the case why do you even search for
free energy dare I label it that .
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One apple seed will produce many apples .
But I understand you point well said. Maybe I was wrong about
your anger on all points. If this is the case why do you even search for
free energy dare I label it that .
It is ok to use the term "free energy" as long as it is in the right context, energy from nothing is the same as magic, energy say for example from the wind which is loosly free is real.
But there is another kind of wind, a static wind, I know that seems a paradox and I wish I could explain, I believe there is a way to tap into that static wind, but thats not really the point, the point is, that its real world physics.
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You don't have to explain , I agree there is a way or many to tap the sea of energy.
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You don't have to explain , I agree there is a way or many to tap the sea of energy.
This is as much as I can say from this point, what I have in mind is not a sea of energy, but is in fact localised.
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I believe otherwise, but with very dence localizations. Similar to the universe itself where we have very dence matter is some locations. These location would also be hot spots for the energy I speak of. In other areas this energy would be thin for lack of a better word.
I now understand you problem with the labels some give these types of energy or the
phraseology used . Energy from nothing is in possible . But this is the way that people explain the free energy and I agree this is the wrong label to use. The energy is already there ,so it is not energy from nothing.
In HHO we some times say HHO production from water , this is wrong . It is HHO extraction from water , similar in effect
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@running
I understand your confusion with energy-what is free and what is not and that you can't create something from nothing.
I agree 100% that you cant create something from nothing and no energy machine i have seen can. However free energy i think is possible. For years men have trained animals to do work for them, at some points even other men. But, because of the day we live in this practice seems immoral or illogical as there are easier ways to get things done. However, what if instead of animals the sun could do the work for us, the sun is free to all-for now anyway. The sun has the power to create heat, it can be used to create energy, and not to mention it move hundreds upon hundreds of gallons of water-and it doing it all the time.
I still agree the sun is not overunity, at least i dont think so, nor is any other star in the sky, but if we could find a way to 'harvest' the power of a star efficiently....i think energy would be a whole lot cheaper, if not free
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When you take into consideration what is needed to tap the suns energy, it soon becomes apparant that it is not free energy, our best solar cells to date break down in the crystal lattice in quite a short time so would need replacing, so lets take a more robust path, solar water heaters, it requires a massive area covered by these things to get substantial useful energy and then it depends on the sun not being obscured, in both cases the area required to say for example power New york would require an area larger than New york, to put it more simply, even if you covered the roof of your home in solar panels, your still going to need an expensive storage medium which will need replacing periodically just as the solar panels themselves would need replacing, you begin to realize that it is just not cost effective, hopefully the physicist and engineers who are working on this real stuff will come up with more efficient methods.
History has shown us this is the real possibility, a couple of decades ago batteries would have had a short life in that lil tranny radio you had, today with more efficient circuits and better batteries they last substantialy longer and it's real world physics.
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Yes but the energy itself is free . This has nothing to do with the apparatus for capture.
That is if we want to use our terms correctly. If we include the apparatus in the term free energy then there is no such thing as free energy .If this is the case than these two words put together would have no meaning . Therefore they could not be used in this way as they are null.
If we are going to use these kinds of labels we need to understand there meaning to avoid
conflict .
Simply, the Suns energy is free , The device to capture that energy is not.
IronHead
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If we are going to use these kinds of labels we need to understand there meaning to avoid conflict .
Simply, the Suns energy is free , The device to capture that energy is not.
IronHead
@I.H. now that's some writing sir...
Runningbare, how's this work... "Free Energy" now will be known as "A Conversion Device"... I think that is a more proper "Title"...
"he just keeps walking... just keeps talking.. spreading his magic"
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@I.H. now that's some writing sir...
Runningbare, how's this work... "Free Energy" now will be known as "A Conversion Device"... I think that is a more proper "Title"...
"he just keeps walking... just keeps talking.. spreading his magic"
Conversion sounds great to me.
Ironhead, no matter how free the suns energy is, it is impossible to ignore the potential costs in tapping that energy.
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I agree and have stated that the apparatus is not free.
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One other thing to note about the sun, it is burning fuel and will eventually(a few more million years or so) burn up it's fuel and probably go nova destroying this solar system.
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Yes all things die as there is no such thing as perpetual motion .
This entire universe will die as well .
TIME IS ?
IronHead
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the sun has 2 billion years left in it...thats what the discovery channel says anyway its burned of 50% of its age
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And their dating system is flawed. Carbon dating is flawed. But then, hey, its all we got. Like a good theory, pans out ok but no real way to verify it without being there.
thaelin
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RunningBare,
Are you still here, with us?
Tinu
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RunningBare,
Are you still here, with us?
Tinu
"Checks" yup, looks that way.
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I?m glad!
I was asking because maybe following a very, very polite and kind suggestion, you may want to reconsider sharing that special idea, you know?
What do you have to loose, really? I mean I know, maybe you do not feel 100% confident to share but look, sooner or later you?ll have to share with someone? With whom? This is the most appropriate place on the whole planet if it?s about free energy or close to it.
Maybe you feel that the group does not entirely deserve your valuable work. If so, I have no arguments but to say that it?s about ?give and take?. First is ?give?, which requires a tuff decision?
I?ve seen that you are very qualified and so are a lot of respectable members here. If it?s about references, I?m sure you?ll be given all the credit. If it?s about criticism, do you really care? If it?s not working, well? we all have files full of non-working devices, ours or not, what?s the difference?
Promise to think on it, at least?
Many thanks,
Tinu
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I?m glad!
I was asking because maybe following a very, very polite and kind suggestion, you may want to reconsider sharing that special idea, you know?
What do you have to loose, really? I mean I know, maybe you do not feel 100% confident to share but look, sooner or later you?ll have to share with someone? With whom? This is the most appropriate place on the whole planet if it?s about free energy or close to it.
Maybe you feel that the group does not entirely deserve your valuable work. If so, I have no arguments but to say that it?s about ?give and take?. First is ?give?, which requires a tuff decision?
I did give first, my newman motor experiments and results.
I?ve seen that you are very qualified and so are a lot of respectable members here. If it?s about references, I?m sure you?ll be given all the credit. If it?s about criticism, do you really care? If it?s not working, well? we all have files full of non-working devices, ours or not, what?s the difference?
Non of these things really matter to me, sure a bit of credit is ok, but not going to pay my bills ;)
criticism would most certainly be my last concern, I've inhabited forums that would make a grown man cry 8)
Promise to think on it, at least?
Many thanks,
Tinu
Thinking about it is not a problem, editing thread titles is, and the ones who come running over complaining that I'm such a naughty boy on the Steorn forum, don't know about you Tinu, but I find that quite sad behaviour.
Though it is not protocol, I would be happy for those people to post quotes from the Steorn forum indicating my rude behavior.
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Well, maybe you have made some ?special friends? over there in Steorn forum and they were so attached to you that they came here also? Why bother? I guess the vast majority of us is searching for overunity and free energy. Nothing else really matters here.
Ok, I see you are still upset because of the change of the thread name. I thought you let it go. Until you?ll do so, I suppose there is not much to say from my side for reconciling your hurt feelings. I agree with you but I also would be very sorry to let the sad story to stop everything that may come to us in the future.
Tinu
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Ok, I see you are still upset because of the change of the thread name.Tinu
Oh, I got over being upset, I find it laughable now and a learning experience, do not post anything that might in some way get changed by the administrator ;)
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TIME IS ?
IronHead
TIME IS ART
www.tortuga.com ;)