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Offline hartiberlin

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Benefitting from your work over here
« on: August 04, 2007, 12:44:44 AM »
Hi all TPU-Builders.

As you are the elite members of our forum here I am looking for
a method to support the builders, who do the hard work.

In this moment the advertisement income is only about 200 to 300 US$ per
month mainly from the Google Adsense program, the other ads don?t
bring much yet...
Well as I donate almost all of this money currently into the OverUnity Prize pot,
which will benefit only the one, who will have done it,
we need a different method to support you, who do the basic work and
don?t even have for instance the money to buy a cheap digital camera to post pictures,
like Otto for instance...

So what do you think about this:

I would setup a new membership option , so the average user, who wants to know the
latest informations will get only READ access to this TPU builders area and will also
have disabled ads, so he can surf the boards faster.

For the membership he would have to pay around 3 to 5 US$ per month and this money
will go into another pot, which will be splitted between the "builder"-members from over here
and throughout the board members, who post the best new infos and build stuff and
post their own articles and videos and pictures, etc...

I have now played much more with the permissions in this forum software and
this could be done by setting up new membergroups and giving it different permissions to
only read access or read/write access, etc...

Then I could integrate a shop function, where users could buy a membership via PayPal
or other money transfers..and use recurring billing for the next months.

So now the question is, if you, the builders are okay with it and what would be the best way
to split the income to the ones,who really do something and what would be the conditions
to to decide, who will get money from this pot and when and how much.

First of course I would have to see, how many people will at all
sign up for this membership at all, so only removing the ads via the membership
would probably be too low of an excitement to get more memberships...

But if we tell the average person, that he will have access to the hidden TPU builders
or other upcoming non public areas,this might interest him enough to buy this membership...

So what do you all think about this ?

We surely have to make sure, that all results are not just copied by someone
to the non-membership area or to other free websites, but I guess, if we are
always a step ahead of the copycats, the averahe user would like to
know immediately all the latest news and chooses better the membership
than to wait, until any copycat has copied the content elsewhere...
Also we could claim then copyright for this domain, so it would be forbidden
to copy it in this stage elsewhere...

So all in all I want you, the elite to stay here and do the research and profit from
it.

So now I am waiting for your comments and ideas.

Many thanks again.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2007, 02:06:01 AM »
Doesn't this depend mainly on what Bob Boyce wants to do with the technology?  I know he agreed to work with us; I am not sure if he wants to have John Q. Public reading all about his hard-earned research and results.  Maybe Bruce knows more that I do about this?

Good idea though!

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Re: Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2007, 02:10:47 AM »
Hi all TPU-Builders.

As you are the elite members of our forum here I am looking for
a method to support the builders, who do the hard work.

In this moment the advertisement income is only about 200 to 300 US$ per
month mainly from the Google Adsense program, the other ads don?t
bring much yet...
Well as I donate almost all of this money currently into the OverUnity Prize pot,
which will benefit only the one, who will have done it,
we need a different method to support you, who do the basic work and
don?t even have for instance the money to buy a cheap digital camera to post pictures,
like Otto for instance...

So what do you think about this:

I would setup a new membership option , so the average user, who wants to know the
latest informations will get only READ access to this TPU builders area and will also
have disabled ads, so he can surf the boards faster.

For the membership he would have to pay around 3 to 5 US$ per month and this money
will go into another pot, which will be splitted between the "builder"-members from over here
and throughout the board members, who post the best new infos and build stuff and
post their own articles and videos and pictures, etc...

I have now played much more with the permissions in this forum software and
this could be done by setting up new membergroups and giving it different permissions to
only read access or read/write access, etc...

Then I could integrate a shop function, where users could buy a membership via PayPal
or other money transfers..and use recurring billing for the next months.

So now the question is, if you, the builders are okay with it and what would be the best way
to split the income to the ones,who really do something and what would be the conditions
to to decide, who will get money from this pot and when and how much.

First of course I would have to see, how many people will at all
sign up for this membership at all, so only removing the ads via the membership
would probably be too low of an excitement to get more memberships...

But if we tell the average person, that he will have access to the hidden TPU builders
or other upcoming non public areas,this might interest him enough to buy this membership...

So what do you all think about this ?

We surely have to make sure, that all results are not just copied by someone
to the non-membership area or to other free websites, but I guess, if we are
always a step ahead of the copycats, the averahe user would like to
know immediately all the latest news and chooses better the membership
than to wait, until any copycat has copied the content elsewhere...
Also we could claim then copyright for this domain, so it would be forbidden
to copy it in this stage elsewhere...

So all in all I want you, the elite to stay here and do the research and profit from
it.

So now I am waiting for your comments and ideas.

Many thanks again.

Regards, Stefan.


Hello Stefan,

I have several comments and thoughts to make.  First let me say that I appreciate the "Spirit" of your offer. 

But a couple of hurdles that I forsee.  First, is that the entire reason we are all over here, is that Bob Boyce wishes to not have people who are not skilled in the art, link over to the phase information.  In particular, the Hydroxy folks who are wanting to wind their own toroid, for use in HHO production.  So by doing as you suggest, it would seem to defeat the purpose we set this up to begin with.

Next, I believe several things with all of my heart.  None of us are doing this for money, and as you stated several of us are very poor.  If any hurdles would be crossed to make your idea a reality, the only one who can decide that is Bob B.  Any moneys that come in, I for one would like to see ALL of it go to Bob B. and to support his further research.  Soon, and I personally hope to be able to contribute to help him with his new shop, even if it is just a small amount each month.

Without Bob B. there would be none of this.  I also VOTE to donate the overunity prize, to Bob B.  When we get our TPU's working.

To care for the "needs" of any of our TPU Elite Builders, I suggest they post those needs, and those of us who have big hearts, will do what we can, over the course of time, to meet those needs.  For instance now that we know that Otto has need of a digital camara, I am sure that one of us, will soon meet that need.   ;)  Or you can donate a small percentage of the present advertising revenue on a monthly basis to also help to meet there build needs.

But I must say that I and this entire replication team will leave the ultimate decision to your suggestion to Bob B.  The decision is his to make, and we replicators will go along with whatever his decision.

Thank you and warm regards,
Bruce

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Re: Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2007, 02:10:47 AM »
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Re: Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2007, 02:49:14 AM »
Hi Bruce,
many thanks for this nice comment.

This was only an example , how I could set it up now.
We could also leave this TPU builders group now as it is hidden
and use other areas to build non public boards in this forum,
where only paying members would have access to it.

The question is, how we can raise enough money to support the builders
even more.

If for instance every month could be raised for example
3000 US$ via membership money, this money could
be donated in parts to several inventors, who are in need
to buy parts or better measurement equipments
or just for new parts or magnets, etc.. for new experiments
that we wish should be done to see, what effect would have this and this...
etc...

The question now is, with this worldwide members that we have over here
now over 8050 members so far, if we could do it this way, to get faster moving
and getting us faster to the goal to have soon an open source free energy unit.

I have not yet seen any picture or video of Bob?s Boyce TPU, so where is it ?

Sorry, I did not have much time the last days to study all of it over here,
cause I am pretty much involved to setup this new video system over here
and try to have a higher Google ranking for  the keyword "free energy" for overunity.com,
and I succeeded and am now already in page 2 of Google with it.

So the question is, how long would it still take Bob or the others over here to
have a selfrunning TPU and do I still need to setup this paying membership site
to get it faster moving  ?

If Bob really has a selfrunning TPU, is he able to post a video of it soon or at least a picture
lighting a bulb ?

Also if the goal of an open source free energy system will be soon presented, and this
will be done by then ,
we could move this forum more into another direction to research for instance
antigravity or UFO propulsions or PSI energies or what will happen to humans after
death, etc... or something simular exotic...

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2007, 03:12:24 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2007, 03:39:42 AM »
Hi Bruce,
many thanks for this nice comment.

This was only an example , how I could set it up now.
We could also leave this TPU builders group now as it is hidden
and use other areas to build non public boards in this forum,
where only paying members would have access to.

I like the idea, for some boards.  It would help the builders very much, like Ironhead, Resin Rat and others.  BUT as for this non public board, we will let Bob B. decide.



The question is, how we can raise enough money to support the builders
even more.

I think having a "donations area" that gives 100% of the donation to the builders.  Builders would be required to meet preset guideline, to insure they are using the funds properly.  Also, you could assemble a library of scientific Video, that provides advertising dollars.  Also a library of scientific E-Books.




If for instance every month could be raised for example
3000 US$ via membership money, this money could
be donated in parts to several inventors, who are in need
to buy parts or better measurement equipments
or just for new parts or magnets, etc.. for new experiments
that we wish should be done to see, what effect would have this and this...
etc...

It would certainly spur inventiveness, but would have to be closely monitored in my opinion.




The question now is, with this worldwide members that we have over here
now about 8000 members so far, if we could do it this way, to get faster moving
and getting us faster to the goal to have soon an open source free energy unit.

I have not yet seen any picture or video of Bob?s Boyce TPU, so where is it ?

Pictures of Bob's Toroid can be seen, step by step in his thread.  You will see it halfway finished.  Please be patient and soon you will see it completely finished.



Sorry, I did not have much time the last days to study all of it over here,
cause I am pretty much involved to setup this new video system over here
and try to have a higher Google ranking for  the keyword "free energy" for overunity.com,
and I succeeded and am now already in page 2 of Google with it.

So the question is, how long would it still take Bob or the others over here to
have a selfrunning TPU and do I still need to setup this paying membership site
to get it faster moving  ?

If Bob really has a selfrunning TPU, is he able to post a video of it soon or at least a picture
lighting a bulb ?

When you say self running, please understand that we have no plans to remove the batteries from this device.  They are a needed part of the control.  A "recharge" system will be added to our controllers at a later date, to self charge the battery, from the toroid output. 

Please be patient and all of us will have lots of video, lighting lots of bulbs and other things also.  Bob B. has nothing to prove to any of us, and we already know it is very much OU because he states it.  That is good enough for us.  Also, if you would read the .PDF introduction, you can see he ran a golf cart off of it and what happened.  Really, I know that your time is limited, but reading the .PDF would be of a big help for you.  I will send you the unreleased updated version by email.  It lacks some artwork, but will be of a help to you.



Also if the goal of an open source free energy system will be soon presented, and this
will be done by then ,
we could move this forum more into another direction to research for instance
antigravity or UFO propulsions or PSI energies or what will happen to humans after
death, etc... or something simular exotic...

This Toroidal Power Unit, will need MUCH research, before any of us think of moving on.  Some here will have ideas of other coil configurations to test, using Bob's ingredients.  Also, some I have spoken with are interested in shrinking this techknowledgy into modules, etc.  So as you can see, just have a "working" TPU is the beginning of the real journey, and is in no way the end.  So we will be at this for some time.

We also have interest in continuing research into Longitudinal Waves and the ability of this research to lead too new tech.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2007, 03:39:42 AM »
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Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2007, 11:33:59 AM »
Hi Harti,

As Bruce said your intentions are noble.  However, Bob Boyce's TPU is still in an early stage of research and development, in particular an iron-clad, idiot-proof control still has to be proven.  It is much to early in my opinion to let the public read this closed thread.  We all want this new energy to start doing good as soon as possilbe, but it must be released in a well thought out and responsible manner.

There are also resource implications.  Can this device be designed to use a minimum of resources while retaining full control?  No neodymium, no ferrite, less copper, etc.  We are talking about large quantities of decentralized devices, that will consume large ammounts of resources.

We are just at the very beginning of research to develop a safe, controllable device that uses the minimum of resources.

RE:  Otto and others limited resources, Otto has clearly stated he will not accept gifts and only agreed to accept the scope in return for obligations to the community.  Maybe one idea is that the community itself buy a digital camera and lend it to Otto.  Not give it, but only lend it.  If each community member would donate 1 Euro/Dollar to a community fund to be spent as Harti thinks is correct, then a lot could be done.  Another idea is to create a non-profit association in Germany or France where one could donate money and could also accept funds from philantropists or the elderly who have no children.  Such an association could make contact with national Notary associations who advise people with no hiers where to donate their money.  What do you think Harti:  Overunity e.V. ??  Neue Zukunft e.V. ??  Energie-Forschung e.V. ??
Feel free to Skype me about this idea.

I feel funding should be totally separated from this private thread.

As Bruce said, and I agree, it is Bob's decision.

Regards, Earl

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Re: Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2007, 02:54:02 PM »
Okay Earl,
I agree , let us keep this board hidden from the public for now.

Then I will first try to finish the new video subdomain site
and then work for a membership pay-feature, which would be
setup for different areas of the forum.

Meanwhile we can work on here uninterrupted on the
replication the  the Bob B. TPU.

Many thanks for your comments.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: The main forum will always be free, but with some
advertisement. ( no ads for this board)

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Re: Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2007, 05:41:54 PM »
Hello Stefan

My main concern is that those that are already in the process of replication of the hydroxy gas version of this toroidal power system will try adding longitudinal windings to their cores and end up injuring or killing themselves from the lack of control. As others have mentioned, control is a very important aspect for both power gain and safety. The hydroxy gas version operates in pulsed mode, which is much safer, albeit much lower energy. The PWM3 series of controllers were designed to be fairly idiot-proof in a pulsed mode system. While I have seen slight field rotation occur in pulsed mode systems if the timing is tuned just right, without the magnetic bias, the more dangerous vortex will not form. They can still be dangerous if not connected to a load however.

I do not have a prototype of the energy only version toroidal power system, but I had experimented with them in the past. Control was always the issue with that design, as it would avalanche very easy. That was one of the driving forces that led me to develop the HexController. For the past couple of years I have been concentrating my efforts on the toned-down version of the toroidal power system for hydroxy gas production. The output of that core was optimized to deliver a pulsed energy of about 42.8 Khz that could aid in the splitting of water. Because of the pulsed mode of operation, that particual system topped out at only about 4X of input power when tuned right. When applied to a catalytic reaction cell system that produces gas at better than 200% of Faraday calcs this yielded anywhere from 600% to 1000% of the hydroxy gas as compared to straight DC of the same power according to Faraday calcs. As far as replications of those, there are several of those in operation that are in the hands of replicators here in the US and in a few other countries.

I'm not a video sort of guy anymore. I've shot video of some of my cell stacks in operation in the past and they were useless. All the critics just want to claim that they are faked, so I gave up on trying to provide proof. Undeniable proof is in replications that others can build and test.

Bob

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Re: Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2007, 12:28:22 AM »
I have been wondering, with core of the experimenters in this area of the forum what is happening outside of our protective bubble?
Have the "armchair" members been thinking where have the main experimenters gone?

I would not feel right about accepting any gifts of money for any work on this forum.
I do help out others though where I can, for example I have sent parts to Roberto in Italy, that he paid for. I will also be sending some DDS 20 kits to Ward in the US.
This is to get around worldwide postal restrictions of some suppliers.

If Otto needs a camera, then I will see if I can get him one.

Regards
Rob


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Re: Benefitting from your work over here
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2007, 07:42:28 AM »
Hello all,

Im back from my vacation. Finally I can rest. I mean, I was working every day at least 10 hours on my TPU and now Im on my workplace resting and after my work here Im again with my TPU at home.

My daughter has a camera so dont worry, I can make photos.

Thanks God, the work around the TPU is not sooo expensive and as I was with Shad, he offered me to use his equipment in his lab. A great guy, living only a few kilometers from my home and his lab is only 10 minutes from my home. Great.

We met at Saturday and he looked at my TPU, asked a lot of questions because he didnt know anything about a TPU.....

He sayd that he wants to read about our TPU....

HA!!! I agree with Earl: Overunity e.V. for helping people with money ( I hate this) or maybe with equipment??? maybe with electronic stuff like true RMS meters, used scopes.....just a thought.

Otto

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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2007, 12:40:36 AM »
Hi Otto,
I bought a camera on ebay for you (old Nikon coolpix 775). So if you already have one I guess I will keep it in the car now for spare. I still need to repair it as the lens cover does not close when its turned off and shows a system error.

Regards
Rob

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