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Offline Lightwave

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Understanding how Tesla did it
« on: May 30, 2005, 08:57:27 PM »
These Tesla Patents are all filed in a row and end in his two radiant energy patents.

685 953
http://tinyurl.com/cl46d

685 954
http://tinyurl.com/8lr7p

685 955
http://tinyurl.com/aahkv

685 956
http://tinyurl.com/a37u6

685 957
http://tinyurl.com/8pfjl

685 958
http://tinyurl.com/9upcc

These simple patents tell us that he was simply using two ground points with slightly different potentials, and slightly charging and discharging a cap between these two points.

IN the last patent of transmitting through natural media (Earth) 685 956 in the first diagram, in figure #2 part "R"  is a horseshoe iron core electromagnet that discharges itself by pulling a spring loaded short across the coils.  The short sets up a condition of a calapsing magnetic field as in one of his many patents 568,180.

The calapsing magnetic field is powered by the ambiant background (Earth's magnetic field "radiant energy"), and comes in a short impulse of hi voltage energy. He used choke coils to momentairy hold the charge on a capacitor before discharging into a circuit. You can do this more efficiantly by using a diode instead of the choke coil.

One thing you have to understand is that Tesla broke his discoveries up into parts that have to be added back togeather to make fully operating devices.

By utilizing the difference in voltage between the Earth and the atmosphier, a cap can be charged slightly. If the cap is simply swhitched and discharged into the same circuit in conjunction with a diode, and through a coil with an iron core, 98% of the first charge is added to the next "discharge charge combo", untill the cap is running at full capacity in a resonant circuit. Simply add a secondairy in the iron core coil to power what you want through another set of caps to keep resonance of the circuit at full load no mater the what the added load is.

Completly understood by most every one, but very simple in it's real understanding.


Lightwave

just drew this up.. A bank of AC caps can be used, or roll your own from tinfoil and thick polly. (I wasted $20 on a role of 7mil industrial cling rap, and it wouldn't hold any more then 400 to 600 volts and would burn a hole through it any higher. got lots of cling rap now though, and lots of tinfoil to make baked potatoes with. Been eating them all winter.  Ha.ha
« Last Edit: May 30, 2005, 09:11:45 PM by Lightwave »

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Re: Understanding how Tesla did it
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2005, 09:14:49 PM »
Modified circuit.

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Re: Understanding how Tesla did it
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2005, 08:39:07 PM »
Where does the 0.6 volts come from that it takes to overcome the P/N junction of the diodes?  Why doesn't every 1000 foot roll of wire you buy off the shelf carry this charge?

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Re: Understanding how Tesla did it
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2005, 03:51:46 AM »
Where does the 0.6 volts come from that it takes to overcome the P/N junction of the diodes? Why doesn't every 1000 foot roll of wire you buy off the shelf carry this charge?


Someone  else asked in private to clairafy on some other points as well, so I'll try to satisfy both of you.

First, in the diagram, I added the bottom diode, and it is not needed in that setup. My mistake.

If you take an antena and a ground, and place a cap inbetween, a voltage will devlop inbetween. If you take two ground points on the Earth, the further apart, the greater the difference in voltage. When you byest a cap between these two points, and then reverse the cap, it has a greater potential difference to discharge between the state of the cap and the state of the two conecting points.

A roll of wire on the shelf  is not connected to an antena and a ground with a cap inbetween.

Look at it from a different angle as a potential weight being pulled by the Earth's gravity.

If you try to get under that weight and lift it up, and just hold it there, you can only get it so high, and continiously expend energy.  That's how we normaly generate (expend) energy, we are continiously pushing.

Now take that same weight and attach a spring on it and hang it from some where high, and give it a  little push up, and then let gravity pull it down further then when you first disturbed it. At this moment, give it another push up, with just the same amount of energy, and the weight will go higher. With expending far less energy then originaly, we can "lift" that weight far higher then with brute force.

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A cap and a coil act like a spring and weight. The bigger the capacity, the springer it acts. All it needs is a "slap on the ass".

Timing is everything, and may have to be adjusted as energy is increased. It's possible an inishal small charge is needed to first excite the swing of energy, but I doubt it.

The "ambiant background pressure" is far greater then the energy we generate, and slosh back and forth. 

Timing is everything, and there are many different ways to hook up circutry and "time" to get varied resaults. I will be building a "dual system" with a bifilar teepee winding, capable of various different hookups for experimenting with.  If any others are intrested in replicating, we can try sending signals to each other  to work out a "free" comunications system. Including a "free" unlimited capacity internet using existing technolagy, and just simply modulate on Earth ground scalar waves at twice the speed of light. Maybe...

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1. cap contact to lower  iron core (ground), and antena. Small possitive charge on antena side.

2. then top of iron core (top diode) is contacted to discharge cap. antena remain contacted.

3. when the cap is discharged through a diode and a coil with an iron core, a magnetic (bubble) is formed inside the core altering it's normal state with Earth's magnetic field. the following magnetic field callaps and inward rush of the Earth's magnetic field (radiant energy) produces a  pulse of energy transformed directly to a higher voltage.

this leaves the cap in a reverse state of charge then started with.

4. contact is broken from top of core first after discharge and reversal of energy.

5. A state of a "calapsing magnetic field" produces what is comonly knwon as a "scalar wave". Something that is not very well named, or understood.

Scalar means scale, as in harmonic scale, but does not describe the ability for energy to flow in two different directions at the same time, but within phase with each other. Tesla called it a condition when the energy would rebound or reflect from the end of a wire with a reflector (something round for the electrons to spin on, if the length of the wire met the condition of the length of the wave, a "standing wave" ocures.

This wave caries up the teepee and reflects back to the cap and is "magnified" by the open coil of the teepee from the Earth's magnetic field again, like a snowball rolling down a hill. Electrons rush up from the ground to ballance the energy state on the other side of the cap (or bank of caps).

5. contact is broken with tepee coil and cap is reversed conecting ground first , and then antena repeating.

While this is happening, the secondary circut and cap combo go into ossilasion, and the rotation of the cap charge will be half the cycle of the seconday, "like a piston firing in a 4 cycle engine" as a positive charge will always be dis-charged at the top of the iron coil.

A second setup which may work better or not, is to hooke the teepee coil directly to the iron core coil, so it ossilates with the secondary to a certain extent. The teepee coil could also be hooked with it's own iron core coil secondary. I still think the first way will work best.

My setup will be sort of a double version of this (a two cycle engine) , with another cap between the two bifilar teepee coils at the top.

And like Tesla, I will also be using the "kickback" of the rotary motor winding as well. Also a scalar wave generator. patent#568,177 and 568,180, as well as some of my own ideas.

Think of a Scalar wave as instead of the current going in a circle around a closed circut, the electrons spin at near 90 degrees, like the wind when a big fraight liner truck barrols past you, and leaves a bunch of spiraling wind as the energy bleads off. The wind spirals in the opposit direction on each side of the truck just as the electrons spiral on each side of the calapsing coil field.

As this happens, instead of a regular magnetic field around the wire with a right hand rule of thumb, the magnetic field instead roles like a smoke ring down the wire, as the wave of energy  spirals electrons down the conductor. Natures most effeciant transport of energy. Induction at near 90 degrees for "almost free". No back emf. Like a snow ball rolling down a hill.

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Re: Understanding how Tesla did it
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2005, 11:51:17 AM »
If you try to get under that weight and lift it up, and just hold it there, you can only get it so high, and continiously expend energy.  That's how we normaly generate (expend) energy, we are continiously pushing.

Hi LightWave,

Lifting the mass requires work (energy * time) to be done. Holding it does not. It is only a force and a piece of wood can replace your muscles. Where then does your energy come from?

Remember energy = force * distance the mass moved, and work = energy used to move the mass * time it took to move the mass.

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Re: Understanding how Tesla did it
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2005, 05:03:22 PM »
Hi LightWave,

Lifting the mass requires work (energy * time) to be done. Holding it does not. It is only a force and a piece of wood can replace your muscles. Where then does your energy come from?

Remember energy = force * distance the mass moved, and work = energy used to move the mass * time it took to move the mass.

Greg

1. Iif there's no stick handy, of course you expend energy to hold the work. 2. the energy was already expended to make the stick. 3. you can never bruit lift with force as high as you can swing a mass.  Just ask David and Goliath.   David used Logic to "magnaify" the force behind the rock.

Have you actually ever even read any of Tesla's patents? If you have, you obviously don't understand any of them.  Your thinking is "old school"  when you need to think "ancient school". To the ancient's, energy was like "music to the ear".

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If you take an antena and a ground, and place a cap inbetween, a voltage will devlop inbetween. If you take two ground points on the Earth, the further apart, the greater the difference in voltage. When you byest a cap between these two points, and then reverse the cap, it has a greater potential difference to discharge between the state of the cap and the state of the two conecting points.

Try this simple experiment.

Take a transformer coil of low resistance (like the secondary of a 120-12v battery charger) and discharge a charged  AC cap through a diode (large enough to take the current). As the cap discharges and equalizes the energy on it's plates, the energy is expended to create a "magnetic buble"  like a balloon filled with air. When the bubble is forced to callaps by the background pressure, because there is no continious force to hold that bubble expanded, it induces it's own energy back in return. But this energy has the force of the EArth's magnetic field behind it. This energy is "scalar" in "nature", and has it's own unique properties as I already briefly disclosed. I have played with this energy to some degree and have found some of Tesla's discoveries, although he never explains them fully.

When you do this, and see the the cap reverse's it's charge (with some loss), and repeat  with the same original charge, by simply reversing the diode. There will come a spicific voltage for that cap, where just a few volts are lost in the reversal. At this point, only a small slap in the ass is needed to maintain ballance.

If you take that mass held by a spring, and instead balance it with a rope over a pully to another weight of same size. Very little energy is needed to lift the original weight. By ballancing the weight (just like ballancing the resonance) we can do more work per packet of energy.

Like a kid on a swing, the secondary, acts like a pendulem, and the primary and reversing cap powered by the ambiant background pressure are the driving force.

If you have read his patents, and still hold the same view, then I guess I can assume that you think Tesla is a Lier. I garantee you, he isn't, and that is why you still have no working "free enrgy"  devices.

Tesla said, that mainstream science didn't have a clue what an electron is, and I have to agree with him.  That is why you can not explain Tesla's resaults by main stream science.

The electron is like a "split dipole" like a little magnet, but with four poles like the sun. IN fact, the sun is like a giant model of an electron with it's pole configurations, just like one big cystral mimics milions of single crystals in a "matrix". Thats why the Egyptions worshiped the sun. They worshiped the "light" or "energy" and the harmony that exists in "light " or "energy" like the music in a datonic 12 note scale with 7 harmonic keys, right down to the Electron.

Finding "natural resonance" is a big part of the key to making it work. And an electron is like a harmonic musical instrument with spacific harmonic frequencies.

And just like music is "scalable" so is the electron. And when you build something with these principles, natural resonance ocures.

If you take a mile of wire, and light a light bulb with it, we loose some energy due to resistance of the wire.  But we also make a magnetiec buble a mile long surounding the wire that is not realized in the circuit, but is still a force we "push on". This is unrealized energy in the circuit, but becomes realised in the callaps and persuing "kickback" induction. This force can be as much as a million times greater then the energy we use "inside" the circuit, but is not normaly realized.

If your just here to be the "thought police" and try to discount everything instead of asking for clairafication of operation, I won't answer those questions anymore.

Think George Orwell, 1984, but change the date to 1884, and now you will get the real picture.

Any body wanting to work with me, I'm more then happy to share my knowledge and understanding.

Man's rules and laws writen on paper, are just that, mans rules and laws. I don't abide by them, as they are just "man's" imagination. Truth can always break a law and be ritious, while man still scribbles furiously on paper to redeam himself to no end.

Lightwave

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Re: Understanding how Tesla did it
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2005, 01:15:21 AM »
Have you actually ever even read any of Tesla's patents? If you have, you obviously don't understand any of them.  Your thinking is "old school"  when you need to think "ancient school". To the ancient's, energy was like "music to the ear".

Hi LightWave,

Until you or someone else shows our current understanding of the relationship between force, energy and work is incorrect I'll stick with what works. By the way I do think outside the square. I invented the SMOT. And yes I have read Tesla's patents and a lot more.

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Re: Understanding how Tesla did it
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2005, 01:25:11 AM »
Take a transformer coil of low resistance (like the secondary of a 120-12v battery charger) and discharge a charged  AC cap through a diode (large enough to take the current). As the cap discharges and equalizes the energy on it's plates, the energy is expended to create a "magnetic buble"  like a balloon filled with air. When the bubble is forced to callaps by the background pressure, because there is no continious force to hold that bubble expanded, it induces it's own energy back in return. But this energy has the force of the EArth's magnetic field behind it. This energy is "scalar" in "nature", and has it's own unique properties as I already briefly disclosed. I have played with this energy to some degree and have found some of Tesla's discoveries, although he never explains them fully.

>> Sorry but the energy recovered from the magnetic field is only that which you put in, minus losses.

When you do this, and see the the cap reverse's it's charge (with some loss), and repeat  with the same original charge, by simply reversing the diode. There will come a spicific voltage for that cap, where just a few volts are lost in the reversal. At this point, only a small slap in the ass is needed to maintain ballance.

>> By small slap in the ass I assume you mean replacing the energy losses. But try to take any energy out of the circuit and it will quickly degenerate.

If you take that mass held by a spring, and instead balance it with a rope over a pully to another weight of same size. Very little energy is needed to lift the original weight. By ballancing the weight (just like ballancing the resonance) we can do more work per packet of energy.

>> Here you are confusing doing work against gravity and storing the work as increased potential energy (which you can get back) as against the pully system where you just do work moving a mass and just overcoming frictional losses but without any way to recover the work inputted.

Hi LightWave,

You need to be careful moving between different systems of work. You can't compare apples against oranges.

Greg

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2005, 11:24:41 PM »
Unfortunately Tesla did compare mechnical occilation to electrical occilation in more than 1 reference. He spoke
of soldiers marching out of step across a bridge.And being able to resonate any object.He also spoke of ether
being elastic and when stretched would create micro-wormholes causing a flow of particals of ether that were
so small they could flow through objects creating energy in front of and behind each atom and molecule the stream
past. So the above statements may not be so bang out of order.I made a plea elsewheres on the site for anyone
who reads Russian and have read the material on Tesla that came from the Russian archives to share the information with
the group.99.9% of the information you can find is fake.I have some faith in 2 avalible articles and cannot be
certin his patent information has not been changed. It is known his inportant work has been locked up for
the proposed purpose of national interest.

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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2005, 10:59:51 PM »
There is alot of information here to digest, so it will need further study and reflection, but I think that Lightwave is on the right track with his teepee coil design.  I have written an article for this section which covers some of the same ground as Lightwave's posts. This was written after I concluded that there is no such thing as a practical free energy device that taps ZPE or 'quantum vacuum energy'.  It may be possible that ZPE was invented to divert private researchers from the real free energy research being done by in classified projects of the US military.

As I see it the teepee coil would indeed create a spiral magnetic wave if suppiled with a pulsed DC supply.  Magnetic space waves are probably not recognized by the physics mainstream who can only accept magnetic waves as ripples in the field lines connecting north and south poles.  I wonder if such spiral magnetic waves imply the existance of magnetic monopoles and could this be the cause of sceptisism on the subject?

A scalar wave simply means that the wave has magnitude but no direction.  Therfore it would propagate in all directions rather than as a beam which is required in this application.  It could be more accurately described as a longitudinal wave like a sound wave except that it rotates.  Are there any physists out there who can enlighten us on rotating magnetic waves?

In my article 'Free Energy Comes From Ionosphere, Not Vacuum' I hypothesise that practicle 'free energy' devices like the Adams Motor or the Mikell device project a spiral magnetic wave into the ionosphere where it sets up a vortex from which a magnified magnetic wave is reflected back to the device.  The actual source of this energy is the earth's magnetic field which may become energised by the solar wind at this altitude.  It is important to understand that the energy being received by the device is available as magnetic current or 'cold electricity' as it is normally called and that this does not behave like electricity in some ways.  As far as I know it cannot be stored in capacitors or batteries, but I could be wrong.

I like this approach to free energy because it is based on a ptentially measurable source of energy and does not require a wholesale revision of 20th century physics.  Everything else is so ineffable.  The main problem with gaining the acceptance of the physics mainsteam is the difficulty in detecting or measuring magnetic current.

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Our arms are obviously doing work when we hold a weight at a height...
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2008, 04:51:37 PM »
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"Lifting the mass requires work (energy * time) to be done. Holding it does not. It is only a force and a piece of wood can replace your muscles. Where then does your energy come from?

Remember energy = force * distance the mass moved, and work = energy used to move the mass * time it took to move the mass.

Our arms are obviously doing work when we hold a weight at a height - you're saying that say a shelf isn't?

Have scientists proven that heat isn't produced in a shelf by a weight applied to it?

Our arms are very inefficient so we shouldn't make a direct comparison between them and a shelf. We should ask how many degrees Celsius can we raise a shelf per second with the energy of a force of 1N? How fast will this heat be dissipated? Have experiments actually been conducted in this area?

It could also be converted to a frequency that we cannot yet measure or officially tap.

As for the work function - it isn't even a model, it's just a rule to determine the energy required to move an object against an opposing force, in this case gravity. Certainly it shouldn't have authority over theories about objects at rest and under the specific phenomenon of gravity. Neither does the fact that gravity is just a force mean that in reality it conveniently turns on and off as it does on paper.

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Our arms are obviously doing work when we hold a weight at a height...
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