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Offline gaby de wilde

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2007, 04:30:54 PM »
It's funny to see my idea was already invented.

I just tried a first setup with my new steelballs and the plastic hose and the magnets.

hose, cause if I put a magnet outside some of them aligns in zick-zack
curves, like  .`.?.?.?.?.?.?. 
sothis is happening cause the hose diameter is too big versus the 10 mm ball
diameter.
Also the hose has pretty big friction onto the balls.

I use a magnetic field that is less strong. Don't be greedy, just allow gravity to do the work.  :D

This is also interesting. Not very clear, it uses the smot's vertical area.

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=291.0;attach=3905;image)

« Last Edit: January 08, 2007, 01:25:40 AM by gaby de wilde »

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2007, 09:02:29 AM »
is it closed system?

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2007, 06:19:27 PM »
All,

Try the following arrangement of balls, magnets, and springs to make a reciprocating gauss rifle.

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////_____00[]0_____00[]0_____00[]0_____00[]0___0_\\\\


When the ball reaches the far end the spring will send it back in the opposite direction:

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////_0____0[]00_____0[]00_____0[]00_____0[]00_____\\\\


The ball will have accumulated a lot of kinetic energy. The spring at the end will return most of that energy and send the ball in the opposite direction with more force than when it initially started, force that will continue to build.

How do we harness this energy? The steel balls will have remenant magnetism for a brief period of time after leaving each magnet. What happens if we place inductive coils beside or underneath the track?

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2007, 06:19:27 PM »
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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2007, 06:14:41 PM »
Has anyone tried my suggestion above?

Offline Charlie_V

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2007, 05:14:44 AM »
I tried this before, in various ways.  It doesn't work because you need the initial steel ball to collide with the magnet. 

Referring to msurucu's drawing, as the initial steel ball (left) approaches the magnet, the field increases its speed giving it more energy.  On the right side of the magnet, the second ball just transfers the momentum but the third ball is far enough away to only feel a small effect from the field.  When the initial ball collides with the magnet, it transfers the increased momentum through the second ball and into the third one, which is weakly attracted and goes flying away - what energy lost in the momentum transfer is small compared to what the magnet gave the initial ball.

When you insert a forth ball like in msurucu's drawing (which would be the second ball on the left), the initial ball never gets the speed boost that it does when allowed to collide with the magnet.  So when it strikes the added ball on the left, what little energy that it did gain is attenuated in the momentum transfer and the system fails. 

I also tried this idea with electrostatically charged balls.  Unfortunately, macro-scale electrostatic forces are so much smaller compared to the magnetic force.  To get the equivalent you need so much voltage that it will cause breakdown on the balls and you'll loose all the charge. 

I abandoned this idea :(

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2007, 05:07:30 PM »
I've learned a great deal from this experiment. ;)

Let me be the first to say:

I haven't done enough research to make a conclusion.

Offline Rapadura

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2010, 04:14:59 AM »
Hmmm... May someone please give me an explanation of why it should NOT work?

I need to understand what prevents a gauss gun from becoming a perpetual motion machine.

Inspiring video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP6_vXus0F4

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Offline Charlie_V

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2010, 06:22:43 PM »
In the arrangement posted by rotorhead above (which I also tried), the magnetic gradient between the left and right are not unbalanced enough.  If you have just 3 balls, two on one side of the magnet, none on the other with the third ball moving toward the magnet, the magnetic force is strong enough to knock the last stationary ball off.  When its balanced (two on one side, one on the other), the entering ball has the same attraction force as the stiction force of the last stationary ball.  So the ball enters and the kinetic energy gain is canceled by the stiction force of the last stationary ball - I hope this is making sense to you guys, its hard to explain without a picture and I'm lazy right now.

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2010, 11:57:11 PM »
I see now... The steel ball that will be "launched" needs to be at a certain distance from the central magnet, in order to the magnetic attraction force that is getting it stuck to the central magnet be weak enough to not prevent it from being "launched".

I understand now... It needs to be unbalanced. You can't put the same number of balls at the two sides. You need always to have more balls at the side where is the ball that will be "launched" than in the side of the "trigger" ball.

So it will never work in a closed loop. Let's forget the gauss gun...

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #54 on: November 28, 2011, 10:33:44 PM »
Designed another Vertical Gauss Rifle, this one 'works' by letting the steel ball fall slowly down the ramp to stop it sticking to the magnet.
Still working on the idea but it thought i'd share it.  ;D


Next month i'm gonna buy me some magnets and steel balls and play around a little.

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #55 on: December 01, 2011, 07:32:27 PM »
Simplified the design.  :)








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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2011, 10:14:55 PM »
Simplified the design.  :)
Is it any reason why the sphere magnet at the bottom want to leave the ferro material and follow the curve? What part of the path determine the direction of the sphere magnet? Could it likely move the opposite direction?


Just very sceptic, but you should buy yourself a couple of magnets and play with them.


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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2011, 02:35:11 AM »
Hi,
As the magnetic ball falls, the idea is that it's slowly moved out of range of the ferrous metal.
I ordered some small balls at Dealextreme to do some simple experiments with a seesaw.
This is still just an idea, the final design will probably look completely different. Maybe i'll need to design on that has multiple stages or something.




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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2011, 02:43:49 PM »
OK, got a few magnetic spheres and did some testing, ordered 12,7 mm which is the same size as GeoMag balls.
The problem is that these spheres have a north and a south pole, as soon as they get near ferro metal the ferro metal is magnetised and the sphere can't roll because it's stuck in the magnetic field it created.
So what i need is a monopole, not a real one of course but a hollow sphere  that has the north pole on the inside and a south pole on the outside (or vice versa).

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2011, 03:22:17 PM »
For the one with the bar magnet and steel ball i need a long bar magnet that sticks out well above and  below the contraption so the ball won't stick.

 

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