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Author Topic: Bill Muller has shown it too !  (Read 40318 times)

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2005, 01:17:01 PM »
Hello Stefan,

I have attached a picture to show how I mean this. It is a view from the top = the balls move in horicontal circles. They are free to move. This could be arrived by fixing each ball on a separate rotorarm or by the installation of a curved groove where the balls can freely roll and collide.

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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2005, 02:54:56 PM »
Another idea ... Its in principle like the straight line horizontal gaussrifle, but vertically mounted and curved. Ringmagnets are used, so the amount of balls is always the same and the loop is theoretical closed.

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2005, 03:25:44 PM »
"I did buy today a plastic hose..."
- You need at least hard plastic tube, not a hose as the hose has pretty high coefficient of friction, almost as a rubber.
And keep in mind, even when ball falls, it's still under action of magnetic field and it slows  down falling and consequently not enough force to come back to top.
 
Three balls between magnets will not work, because the middle ball has to kick magnet in the nearest point where the magnetic field is maximum. But if you have a ball already sitting on a magnet force of attraction will be in 4-6 times less.  Unfortunately "rifle" works only in one direction...
 

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2005, 03:25:44 PM »
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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2005, 03:50:07 PM »

And keep in mind, even when ball falls, it's still under action of magnetic field and it slows down falling and consequently not enough force to come back to top.

Gravity is used to pull away the botom ball from the magnet, the magnetic forces acting on the top and botom ball are not equal.

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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2005, 03:52:48 PM »
@m668004

Thanks for the 2 pics.
Now it is getting clear.
In a few days I will get the steel balls from my Ebay order.
Then I will try a few configurations.
The plastic hose and the magnets I already have here at home.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2005, 04:49:46 PM »
Thank God for summer, my brain's defrosting.
@Hartiberlin
If you get your balls would you please test the following setup, i would like to know if it's possible to gain height using balls to transfer the energy upwards.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/pinobot/VerticalGaussRifleTest2.gif)

I've already thought of a way that would make in possible for sure again transfering the energy around the balls, only no close loop but working on that.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/pinobot/verticalGaussrifle5-basicprinciple.gif)

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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2005, 09:13:36 PM »
Pino,
why do you think, this might push the last ball in the upper drawing up over the top ?
cause the ball is already higher in the tube ?
But if it goes over the top opening, it is not reversible,
so what effect should this have without magnets ?

Stefan.

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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2005, 10:42:44 PM »
I know it's not reversible.? ;D
But i need the info for new designs, you can imagine that you'll offset the row of ball by using a magnet.
I'm working on a new design that also incorporates my Energy-stacker, it'll blow you away.

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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2005, 10:44:57 PM »
@Pinobot

I see, but why do you need these guide legs at the spokes, that
hold the balls ? I think they are not needed.

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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2005, 10:44:57 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2005, 10:48:42 PM »
I know it's not reversible.  ;D
But i need the info for new designs, you can imagine that you'll offset the row of ball by using a magnet.
I'm working on a new design that also incorporates my Energy-stacker, it'll blow you away. ;)

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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2005, 11:04:20 PM »
here's an idea

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2005, 01:15:35 AM »
Finished the general idea, the picture is not complete, all roters have extensions like the green one but it takes a lot of time to draw in paint so you just have to imagine them there. :-\
Don't look at the geometry, it's probably completely wrong, maybe needs more rotors,greater/closer distance to magnet etc.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/pinobot/energystacker9.gif)

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2005, 01:36:26 AM »
"Gravity is used to pull away the botom ball from the magnet, the magnetic forces acting on the top and botom ball are not equal".
- The same gravity will not allow ball go up. Yes they r equal, otherwise you have a "not equal" magnet...

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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2005, 02:10:51 AM »
You just don't understand the concept.
Read: http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/gauss.html

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2005, 04:21:40 AM »
And you how these things work...

 

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