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Bill Muller has shown it too !
« on: May 29, 2005, 12:59:35 PM »
Hi All,
have a look at this video:

http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/realplayer/bearing.rm

There you can see, that the second steelball is knocked away from the
magnet and the first steel ball.

This principle also does apply in Butch?s motor.

But Butch?s motor is more genieous, cause there the
"1st steelball " can also be knocked off again !

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2005, 08:28:52 PM »
This principle is what drive a Gauss Rifle.
http://www.scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/gauss.html

What led to my Vertical Gauss Rifle.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/pinobot/verticalGaussrifle-basicprinciple.jpg)
« Last Edit: May 29, 2005, 08:58:52 PM by pinobot »

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2005, 09:07:52 PM »
@pinobot

Very good idea !
This should work !

Have you already tried it ?

I think this really could work.

It is also not too hard to build !

I have to order a few steel bearing balls myself.

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2005, 09:07:52 PM »
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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2005, 03:37:11 AM »
I have not build it, im still looking for something that is 100% sure to work. ;D
Anyhow, i've made some modifications to it to eliminate unknown factors, like: What if the ball that comes in pulls up the highest ball in the stack or what if the energy that is transfered through the balls is eliminated by the magnet.
So, this is where the vertical gauss rifle is now.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/pinobot/verticalGaussrifle4-basicprinciple.gif)
« Last Edit: May 30, 2005, 03:51:01 AM by pinobot »

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2005, 03:14:22 PM »
Good idea Pinobot,
but I guess the easiest way to try it would be
to use your first idea and mabe have at least 4 or 5 balls inside the ring magnet
so at every side the last ball sticks out already quite a lot.

When then a new ball approaches, it will kick the last ball really easy out.

Then one could also use several of these unit along the tube, so that every 45 degrees there
is such an acceleration magnet-ball  stack.

Should also work with just 2 magnets sitting next to the tube.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2005, 03:39:23 PM »
The balls are pulled away from the magnet by gravity, it's best to put the magnet where gravity has the most influence, halfway down.
The only thing that can spoil your day is the fact that the energy of the magnet-system (magnet+balls) must be greater than the Potential gravitational Energy that would be produced when you let the top ball fall the distance top ball - botom ball.
The Potential Gravitational Energy is easily calculated, the energy of the magnet-system (magnet+balls) is an other matter.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/gpot.html#mgh

Btw, if it works, run like hell !
« Last Edit: May 30, 2005, 04:03:46 PM by pinobot »

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2005, 11:38:27 PM »
Pinobot, I did order today a few steelballs via Ebay.
When they come in, I will try it too.
Tommorow I go out buying a plastic hose for the balls to  go in there.

I still have 6 or 8 neodymn magnets here, which I will first try it with.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2005, 01:01:31 AM »
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/pinobot/VerticalGaussRifleTest.gif)

The test is simple, first you drop one ball in on the left without the magnet and balls in place, and record the hight of the ball on the right, that way you know how much friction there is (if the ball for instance goes up 90% on the right you have 10% friction loss).
Then you put in the magnet and balls in place and drop the ball on the left, if the ball goes higher on the right than the first time you've gained energy. If the ball jumps out of the tube you have OU for sure. :)

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2005, 02:00:30 AM »
Pinobot,
reminds my of my old SBMOT.
See:
http://www.keelynet.com/bedmot/sbmot01.htm

I unfortunately never built it.
But now it is time to do so...
Also you would need more than 1 steel ball at each end and in the center.
so go with at least 2 balls in each place, then it should work.

Regards. Stefan.

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2005, 09:02:38 AM »
I've tried that configuration, it's a normal Gauss Rifle but i couldn't get i close looped. :-[

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2005, 11:24:06 AM »
I've tried that configuration, it's a normal Gauss Rifle but i couldn't get i close looped. :-[

Hi Pino,
which one did you try exactly ?
If you try the SBMOT you need to have 3 Balls between each magnet and
also 2 balls at the end on each side.
Only then will the SBMOT probably work.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2005, 11:35:05 AM »
I've tried this one a year ago from sci-toys.com
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/pinobot/GaussRifle.jpg)
Thought of a zillion combinations but always ended up with the balls stuck to the magnet.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2005, 11:48:12 AM by pinobot »

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2005, 12:15:06 PM »
Pino,
I did buy today a plastic hose with 16 mm inner diameter and 22 mm outer diameter.
When the steelballs will be getting in here I will try it myself first to see, if I can get
the balls shooting out of a "U" turn plastic hose configuration.

As to the SCI Toys experiment:
As I said, you need between each magnet pair 3 balls and at the end you need at each side
2 balls.
So according to the upper pic you would need 13 balls and not just 9 balls
as is shown.
Then the very right ball, when it comes down again, should be able to kick the very laft ball
back up again and it should get kicked higher and higher.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2005, 04:05:28 PM »
Perhaps this would work?

M.

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Re: Bill Muller has shown it too !
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2005, 11:49:08 AM »
@m668004

Could you please explain, how it should work ?
Gets not clear to me.
What is rotating and how are the balls moved ?
Thanks !

Regards, Stefan.

 

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