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Author Topic: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)  (Read 11427 times)

Offline yikes

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Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« on: July 29, 2007, 02:11:13 AM »
I have found that working on a test cell is fun, but I also wanted to see some practical results.  So I built this booster to put in a car so that I could quickly make modifications to it and try it out.  The good part is that is works, it is easily taken apart, changed in whatever way and put back in.  The other part is that it is cheaply made and won't last long, but since it is made just for testing that is not really a bad thing.
The basic idea came from Smack's booster and then modified.  The container comes from K-Mart and is called a "lock n lock", it has a rubber gasket in the lid and has 4 latching flaps to securely hold the lid on.  The lid has (2)   1/4" holes for bolts for electric connections and then a hole for the gas connections.  The container is 11" tall.  I hold it in the car with zip ties, which makes it easy to take out.  K-mart has other sizes that I use for Meyer's tube type cells and IH type series cells.
Any stainless plates will work, but I'm using the ss blanking plate for electrical work boxes from Lowes or Home Depot ($1.63 each)  just because it's convenient.  The 1/4" plastic rod, I get from Grainger's $1.22 for 2 foot.  The straps are from Lowes and are a ss BBQ grill tong $3.00.  You need to drill holes for the connections so a good drill bit is necessary and is more fun than trying to drill with the cheap bits.  The plates are spaced with a nylon washer.
The configuration in the pictures is two gangs of plates one on top of the other with edges touching.  The whole thing is then coated with "window weld" (NAPA $15.00).

The idea of this booster is that if I get an idea, I can quickly slap it together and try it out.  My car gets 27mpg, with this I got 36mpg, one of my units got 41.  I'm trying for 50.  We will see.  If you have any ideas for me to try, post it; I will try it out and report back.  Or make your own and post your results.  Hopefully this thread can be a place where we can all share our dumb mistakes and our elegant successes.

Here are some pics:

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0728bobbod0003.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0728bobbod0002.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0728bobbod0001.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0715sparkplug0003.jpg


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Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« on: July 29, 2007, 02:11:13 AM »

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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2007, 03:01:47 AM »
Hi Yikes,

Nice!!! You are a regular "Thomas Edison"! I like it.

Cheap, disposable, easy to alter. How is the seal? Are there any leaks around the lid?


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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2007, 05:12:08 AM »
KOOL, man!   Glad that thar urethane is holding up!

Good luck with the performance enhancement.

Turtle

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2007, 05:12:08 AM »
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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2007, 06:18:24 AM »
Sweet Cell !  "yikes

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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2007, 08:23:54 AM »
Hey did you change timing at all? from 28 to 41mpg is really impressive. :o

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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2007, 01:36:20 AM »
Details?
What volts, amps you running? Engine mods? What car/motor. Size and configuration of the plates?

Thanks.
Paul

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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2007, 04:33:05 AM »
RR, the lid holds really well, no leaks.
atfab, 12v, about 10 amp (haven't installed the amp meter yet), no mods other than I moved the battery to the front trunk, 1600 mr2, and I already gave the other info, thanks.

Today I played with a neon transformer.  There is more to learn about this I think.
I also put a capacitor in a small ss bowl, connected one leg to positive and put negative to the bowl and added water up to the second leg.  just to see what would happen....nothing happened other than the hands on the clock turned.  I like doing silly things like this from time to time.  Like this, today I found that I had killed the mosfet in the vic (lawton's) so I looked in a parts bin, found a chip that had 3 legs like a mosfet, said WTH, and soldered it on,,,,it didn't work but it was fun just to try.  I'm only getting mV out of the #3 leg on the second 555 chip, tried another but no help.  Mouser, Mouser where are you when I need you.
On the booster, the H gas tube is 1 1/4"  (yeah , no restriction), but I wasn't happy with the vacuum, so I ground off the following edge of the connector at the throttle body,,hey, how about that it worked.  One success out of 10 or 15, good enough for me.

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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2007, 04:56:36 AM »
Nice cell yikes...But...There is one thing that you should take note of...With long tall electrodes, when the gas is coming up it pushes the water away from the electrodes as it rises...Great loss is efficiency.

Keep up the good work...

kyle


I have found that working on a test cell is fun, but I also wanted to see some practical results.  So I built this booster to put in a car so that I could quickly make modifications to it and try it out.  The good part is that is works, it is easily taken apart, changed in whatever way and put back in.  The other part is that it is cheaply made and won't last long, but since it is made just for testing that is not really a bad thing.
The basic idea came from Smack's booster and then modified.  The container comes from K-Mart and is called a "lock n lock", it has a rubber gasket in the lid and has 4 latching flaps to securely hold the lid on.  The lid has (2)   1/4" holes for bolts for electric connections and then a hole for the gas connections.  The container is 11" tall.  I hold it in the car with zip ties, which makes it easy to take out.  K-mart has other sizes that I use for Meyer's tube type cells and IH type series cells.
Any stainless plates will work, but I'm using the ss blanking plate for electrical work boxes from Lowes or Home Depot ($1.63 each)  just because it's convenient.  The 1/4" plastic rod, I get from Grainger's $1.22 for 2 foot.  The straps are from Lowes and are a ss BBQ grill tong $3.00.  You need to drill holes for the connections so a good drill bit is necessary and is more fun than trying to drill with the cheap bits.  The plates are spaced with a nylon washer.
The configuration in the pictures is two gangs of plates one on top of the other with edges touching.  The whole thing is then coated with "window weld" (NAPA $15.00).

The idea of this booster is that if I get an idea, I can quickly slap it together and try it out.  My car gets 27mpg, with this I got 36mpg, one of my units got 41.  I'm trying for 50.  We will see.  If you have any ideas for me to try, post it; I will try it out and report back.  Or make your own and post your results.  Hopefully this thread can be a place where we can all share our dumb mistakes and our elegant successes.

Here are some pics:

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0728bobbod0003.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0728bobbod0002.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0728bobbod0001.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0715sparkplug0003.jpg



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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2007, 05:52:38 AM »
Point taken and appreciated, Kyle.

But I also feel that one of the negatives of our cells is our inability to utilize the H as it is released; the H hits the surface tension and turns back down into the solution.  I am heading for a narrow top so that vacuum can have more of an effect to help efficiency.  It's all a learning process.

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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2007, 03:21:20 PM »
yikes,
     Thanks for the info, I just started getting parts together to experment on my old Camry wagon, 2.5 liter. I also just found this site a few days ago.

     Great stuff here! will post as the build and testing advance. I have too many hobbies already so don't hold your breath.

Paul

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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2007, 10:14:26 PM »
Ok, be safe.

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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2007, 10:14:26 PM »
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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2007, 03:44:58 PM »
Just did a series of tests to learn about the effects of a magnet during electrolysis.  A magnet does have an effect on oxygen.
Conditions: small ss bowl (condiment cup (walmart $2)), magnet in bowl, spring water with dawn soap to cover magnet, magnet outside bowl, 12v negative on bowl, 12v positive in water.  When placed so that magnets attract each other, bubbles form toward outside magnet.  When magnets repulse each other, bubbles form away from outside magnet.

magnets are attracted
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0801magnettest0001.jpg

magnets are repulsed, I should have dumped water and started again, but you can still see the effect
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0801magnettest0002.jpg

outside magnet removed, immediately left bubble group formed
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0801magnettest0003.jpg

showing crap formed from using common steel for electrode
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0801magnettest0004.jpg


using a bunch of magnets, just for fun, but effects the same
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/2007_0801magnettest0005.jpg

There are other ways of confirming this, but this is just how I did it.  I welcome your critique.



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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2007, 06:03:22 PM »
Bob
Magnets, Magnets ever where . Where did you get them?

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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2007, 11:01:52 PM »
Point taken and appreciated, Kyle.

But I also feel that one of the negatives of our cells is our inability to utilize the H as it is released; the H hits the surface tension and turns back down into the solution.  I am heading for a narrow top so that vacuum can have more of an effect to help efficiency.  It's all a learning process.

you could set up a system where water is drawn off somewhere near the top of the cell and pump it back into the cell using a small pump like a winshield washer pump. I plan on using that myself when I get started working on my own cell.

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Re: Bob's Booster On Demand (BOD)
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2007, 12:30:41 AM »
Got busy today and put a booster on the lawn mower.  I put a bubbler on it but cannot keep water in it.  The water gets sucked into the mower by the vacuum.  The carb had a cleanout plug in the manifold which was a great size so I drilled a 1/16th hole in it and put the bubbler line over it.  With as much vacuum as there is, the line certainly won't fall off.  I still need to play with the timing, but it runs as good as ever.  Not sure what to do about the vacuum though.  I want as much as I can get in the booster, but I do want a bubbler or flashback protection of some kind on this.  I have learned that I can trust my car not to backfire, but this old mower has points and an old voltage regulater that are way past trusting.
The booster has just 6 plates.  I wanted an energetic action in there.  Later I can add more.  I did not seal them.  Just popped it in.


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/mower/2007_0807mowerbooster0003.jpg


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/mower/2007_0807mowerbooster0002.jpg


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/mower/2007_0807mowerbooster0004.jpg


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/mryikes/mower/2007_0807mowerbooster0001.jpg

 

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