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Author Topic: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar panels  (Read 60944 times)

Offline zero

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2007, 02:46:01 AM »
The age of the scientist plays no matter.

 Maybe they dont care if they die,  but what about their grandchildren?

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2007, 04:31:10 AM »
I built a Newman motor weeks ago, I rebuilt it, rewound several times, the best I've got out of it so far is a 1 hour 24 minute run from a 2 Farad capacitor that was initially charged to 20 volts, then it runs no more, I've had it connected to 12 volt 18ah batteries, ran it for days and watched the battery voltage fall reallllllllyyyyyyyy slowly, the Newman motor does not do as advertised.

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2007, 11:27:03 AM »
I built a Newman motor weeks ago, I rebuilt it, rewound several times, the best I've got out of it so far is a 1 hour 24 minute run from a 2 Farad capacitor that was initially charged to 20 volts, then it runs no more, I've had it connected to 12 volt 18ah batteries, ran it for days and watched the battery voltage fall reallllllllyyyyyyyy slowly, the Newman motor does not do as advertised.

Sounds not bad!
The question is, did itdo more work, than the batteries or the cap delivered over time?
It must of course overcome the airfriction and mechanical bearing frictions
and the coil ohmical losses !

So the question is, if a 1:24 hour run on the 2F cap was not already a proven
overunity operation ?
Maybe only with 120%,but that sounds already pretty long !
How much input milliamps did your motor draw ?
Then we can calculate it.
WHat wasyour ohmical resistance of your coil ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2007, 11:27:03 AM »
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Offline RunningBare

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2007, 08:00:27 PM »
At 20 volts my motor barely draws 16ma, the coil resistance is somewhere in the region of 150ohms consisting of nearly 2475 turns of enameled copper wire, I could run this motor on my 12volt 18ah battery for a month easily, but it has very little torque, certainly not enough to do any decent work with.

And yes, the 16ma is because of the short on time by the commutator, obviously if I stalled in the on position the current drawn would be 20 volts divided by 150 ohms = 133.3ma.

This motor has no OU and the efficiency is an illusion because of the lack of torque, if I tried loading the output, even grasping the rotor lightly with my finger will stall it.



Sounds not bad!
The question is, did itdo more work, than the batteries or the cap delivered over time?
It must of course overcome the airfriction and mechanical bearing frictions
and the coil ohmical losses !

So the question is, if a 1:24 hour run on the 2F cap was not already a proven
overunity operation ?
Maybe only with 120%,but that sounds already pretty long !
How much input milliamps did your motor draw ?
Then we can calculate it.
WHat wasyour ohmical resistance of your coil ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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I seem to remember stefan saying something awhile ago that their was something with the spark gap and carbon, and that's really where the extra power was coming from

on that note, an this guy deleted his you tube account, but if you search for "Negative Resistor"  you will see posts from a account Jdub6d9  where he took some kinda silica powder, and made a glass bead that when you close the electrical loop it ran a motor alot faster, and he did have it hooked to a WFC at the same time to the motor... 

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2007, 12:29:02 PM »
Yes, rMud,
I had seen one of his videos.
Too bad, that he deleted his account and the videos are no longer
online.
Do you know, what exactly the contact "pill" was, that he
between his electrodes ?
Did he exactly state this in his videos ?
Does anyone still have downloaded this video and
can upload it over here ?
Many thanks.

It was really amazing to see, that when he had this "pill"
between the electrodes and it was sparking there,
that the DC motor in series with this spark-gap
just went much faster !

Offline TheNOP

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If this can help

Not long ago, i saw a video of a guy using melted clay silicate powder on is contact to run a motor faster.

He stated where he brought it online.
unfortunately, i can't remember the exact URL.
It was something like : www. ????clay.com ?

It looked like a really pale grey powder, more white then grey.
Powdered aluminum silicate(desiccant) perhap ?


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Offline TheNOP

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i tested the resistance of desiccant beads.
Aluminum silicate, also called "silicate gel", use to keep humidity out of various pakaging.

I mesured resistance between 6 Mohms to  30 Mohms
30 being the max my multimeter can mesure.

I can't get any precise mesurement no matter how steady my hands are.
It look like current flow make the resistance go higher within a short time.

Removing one probe,stoping the flow, will revert it to a lower resistance state.
Seams to be instantanious.


Since desiccant beads are crystaline they won't melt.
Someone got a solution for how a contact could be made out of desiccant beads ?



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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #68 on: September 30, 2007, 09:28:07 PM »
Ok, this is my first post, but I've been tracking Newman's machine since the mid 90's and I've been able to make a few observations based on what I've seen from his progress.  Most of us already know he acts crazy, and talks strange, and he has epiphanies from heaven etc. and I?m not here to argue that. It?s obvious he has issues with himself, but I want to talk about his machine, it?s a fact that it does do something unconventional to a degree.

Try to follow what I'm saying for a moment... One of the things I've noticed over the years is the size of the batteries he uses gets smaller and smaller as his machine gets bigger and bigger. His barrel sized machine from the 80's used several large batteries in series that "seemed" to keep the machine going in unity for long periods of time.  Now, that means his machine designs are becoming more and more efficient since he is able to achieve the same thing on larger machines with much smaller voltages and current. Although I am not fully convinced that any of his machines have reached full unity by themselves, he has been able to make the machine so efficient that it could be assumed he is close to 99% efficiency to power a 1650 rotary. Though we really don?t know exactly what the recharge efficiency is, Let?s assume 99% based on how long these batteries are lasting.

Now, look at the 1 hour video and notice that in 1 hour's time, the RPM's dropped 5 or so RPM.  That means that the 1% or so inefficiency is slowly taking it?s toll on the batteries, no one can argue that.  And the fact that they are alkalines means they are probably experiencing some fatigue from the continuous charge and discharge to some degree.  But, it also can?t be disputed that in every case including this machine, the batteries are relatively maintaining a massive amount of kinetic energy, possibly more than can be accomplished by those batteries using any other means of electrical to mechanical conversion.

Now here?s where I see a possible flaw to all these experiments.  In every case, (including the experiments by us lowly mad scientists), Newman has always tried to achieve electrical unity with his machine alone. Why doesn?t he try to adapt his machine mechanically to other forms of power conversion, i.e. an alternator. I have not once seen his devices hooked up to conventional generators or alternators. If he would hook up a simple automotive alternator to the big flywheel, don?t you think there would be enough kinetic energy to generate enough milliamps of current to charge and maintain the batteries to 100% capacity?  They are already being charged at 99% efficiency so the current difference required to fill the gap caused by the losses would be very small, so small that we know it's less than 650mAH since the batteries last longer than an hour.  So small in fact, that even though his machine does not have very much torque, the mechanical loss of kinetic energy would be so small. It would be like going from a 1650lb load to a 1655lb load to power the alternator just enough to fill that 1% efficiency gap.  Now correct me if I?m wrong, but the small amount of mechanical losses from producing even 10 amps (120 watts) of 12v DC power will not have much of an effect on slowing down that giant 1650lb rotor.  At 144 volts, 120 watts is about .83 amps of current, more than enough to keep the batteries topped off and thereby achieve overunity.   

The same principle can be applied to a closed loop version.  If you took Naudin?s design of a closed loop system on a larger scale, and added an alternator to the output shaft and fed enough power back in to fill in the loses, you could theoretically create a closed loop unity device.  Nearly ten years ago he got his system to self sustain for 5 minutes. On a larger scale with more efficiency like a true Newman machine, it could probably self sustain for over an hour based on Newman?s results. Judging by what he said in the video, let?s say with a 100ma current draw, that?s roughly a 14.4watt loss in one hour on those 9v batteries.  So an alternator would need to be able to produce 15 watts of power to make up the gap in a closed loop environment.  That?s not very much power needed. I don?t see why overunity could not be accomplished in closed loop either.

As far as proving a true overunity device in closed loop or with batteries is besides the point really.  We are already converting electrical to mechanical and back to electrical again.  Adding a chemical conversion is not really any more different if it adds to the efficiency of usable energy (i.e. being able to use that stored energy to power up other devices once overyunity is achieved.).


So why doesn?t he use his device in this manner? Pride? Maybe he wants his machine to be an overunity device on its own? Maybe he already has and won?t tell us?  I really don?t know. I do want to find out for myself though.  I?m in the process of making my own Newman machine and I hope to try it out with my theory on a much smaller scale. I need to source a micro alternator though, as I don?t think my small machine will turn a full sized one.  :D

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #68 on: September 30, 2007, 09:28:07 PM »
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Let?s assume 99% based on how long these batteries are lasting.

I agree with a lot of what you said except the above quote. Why would we make this assumption at this number?  If you are going to pick a number at random, 99% seems a bit high to me.  Everything else that you said makes good sense to me. Why constuct a machine like that and have no real way to verify or quantify the output, if any? I like the alternator/generator idea, easy to measure with very consistant results I would think.

Bill

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Let?s assume 99% based on how long these batteries are lasting.

I agree with a lot of what you said except the above quote. Why would we make this assumption at this number?  If you are going to pick a number at random, 99% seems a bit high to me.  Everything else that you said makes good sense to me. Why constuct a machine like that and have no real way to verify or quantify the output, if any? I like the alternator/generator idea, easy to measure with very consistant results I would think.

Bill


Perhaps Newman will not get in conflict with any law about the elektricity production?
His technical skills are high enough to supply a alternator via  flightwheel.
But his kontakt details are known.Why not ask him by letter or mail?

helmut

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Let?s assume 99% based on how long these batteries are lasting.

I agree with a lot of what you said except the above quote. Why would we make this assumption at this number?  If you are going to pick a number at random, 99% seems a bit high to me.  Everything else that you said makes good sense to me. Why constuct a machine like that and have no real way to verify or quantify the output, if any? I like the alternator/generator idea, easy to measure with very consistant results I would think.

Bill


Well, 99% is just a wild estimate, I'll give you that, especially since Newman cries 200,000% efficiency.  But I was considering the fact that many large conventional motors with commonly attainable superconductors have high efficiency already. Taken from ?Mechanical Engineering Online?:

?..97 percent, which is the performance of most conventional large electric motors.?
http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/membersonly/june01/features/reality/reality.html

And some are at 98.5% efficiency. So since Newman?s machine is definitely not conventional, I?m assuming 99% (or more) efficiency, maybe it's assuming too much, I don't know.  But his machine can run for hours on 9v alkaline batteries.  It would almost have to be close to 99% efficient to even run a machine that size for a few minutes!  I feel that what happens in the remaining 1% is critical. Even 0.001% inefficiency, just shy of unity, is going to cause the batteries to die. It may take a few hours or a few days, but it will happen.  Run one of those large ?conventional motors with 97% efficiency? on as many 9v alkaline batteries in series as they need, and I?ll bet they?d be dead in less than a minute. So in that line I figured 99%, but it?s not gospel that?s for sure.  I appreciate your feedback on the matter.
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Klamathpro:

Thank you for your response. I was just curious where that number came from and you answered me, and I appreciate that.

Bill


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HartiBerlin,

I found the 3 moviefiles but I can't upload them as a reply it seems.
Every time I get this on screen after a minute of waiting:

Start new topic
   
The following error or errors occurred while posting this message:
Your session timed out while posting. Please try to re-submit your message.
No subject was filled in.
The message body was left empty.

I did not start a new topic, I pressed the reply button and attached the 3 files.
Maybe a bug?
How much can your mailbox have?

(Edit)
Anyway, in one of the movies he talks about the clay and he got it from http://www.pyroclay.com/ .

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Hi,
how many Mbytes are each one ?
Over here the upload can only be around 5 Mbytes
for a movie, otherwise the server will
have a time out during upload.

Please try to upload to
www.megaupload.com
and post the exact URL to over here.
Many thanks.

Is this clay he is using conductive ?

 

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