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Author Topic: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar panels  (Read 61008 times)

Offline seriousvivek

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hey,
I didn't want to believe it but plz read this :(: http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm

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hey,
I didn't want to believe it but plz read this :(: http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm

Please not again this old drivel from professional  skeptics Eric Krieg and Norman Biss,
which have been debunked already....

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2007, 03:53:11 AM »
New email from Evan Soul?:

"The latest news is that Joseph Newman has just been experimenting with 9-volt TRANSISTOR batteries.  Anyone familiar with transistor batteries, knows they are incapable of powering any kind of a LOAD -- especially for any length of time.  They power small radios, etc., but will quickly discharge when a load of any significance is placed on them.

Joseph Newman has been using as a catalytic voltage input:  up to ten 9v transistor batteries connected in SERIES (not in parallel) --- thus the current is equivalent to that of what is in any ONE of them --- a small amount of current.  The total wattage with 10 such batteries is 270 watts -- max.  That is less than three 100 watt light bulbs.

Yes, he turned a 1,650-lb rotary having a 450-lb flywheel continuously (which is connected to his 7,500-lb energy machine) unit for over AN HOUR --- and the small transistor batteries were as charged as when he started!

He is concurrently working on his CLOSED SYSTEM demonstration (in Mobile) which he hopes to have completed in about 2 weeks.  I've discussed with him the goal of posting that system on a 24/7 webcam."

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2007, 03:53:11 AM »
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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2007, 10:18:48 PM »
Here is a test to embed 2 live broadcasts from ustream.tv into a window over here.

This could be used for the Joe Newman upcoming live broadcasting,
where it could show with one camera the machine and with the other
camera at the same time some meters.

I could also embed several more cams here.
I could also setup a different page at overunity.com
not located inside the forum to have more screen space and to not have any borders at all..

In addition to this a multiuser Skype audio conferencing,
could be used to communicate live back and forth with Joe Newman
from the audience in realtime.

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2007, 03:29:14 PM »
Just in from Evan Soul?:

SEE THE LATEST VIDEO
OF THE
7,500-LB NEWMAN ENERGY MACHINE
with a
1,650-LB ROTARY (INCLUDING 450-LB FLYWHEEL)
using only
TINY 9volt ENERGIZER BATTERIES
CONNECTED IN SERIES!!!

Representatives of the Energizer Corporation recommend
the largest load for their 9volt battery is a "TOY", and
they state that even a small toy is a "high, battery-draining device".

Even small toys can quickly deplete such 9volt batteries which are
typically used in low-load applications such as smoke detectors.

No way such a small battery would ever run a 7,500-LB MOTOR.  Right?

Wrong.

In the video below, the "Energizer Bunny" battery
not only run the 7,500-LB Newman motor, but
it keeps right on running it --- not just for a minute, but for an hour!

This technology is proof that the strength of the motor's magnetic field
is dependent upon the VOLTAGE --- NOT the CURRENT!

And during the course of an hour, the batteries don't even heat up!

Conventional technology would say that such is not possible.

Yet, the Newman Energy Machine can accomplish that ... and much more.
In fact, the technology can be used to provide abundant, non-polluting,
inexpensive electromagnetic energy to power the world.

No more fossil-fuel-related pollution.
No more skyrocketing energy costs.
No more global warming caused by the use of hydrocarbon fuels.
No more nuclear reactor wastes.
No more coal-burning power plants.

This technology will provide abundant, inexpensive, non-polluting energy
to power homes, factories, automobiles, ships, planes, appliances ...
in short, the entire world can utilize this revolutionary technology.

See the latest video at:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2699190582411275088&hl=en

Individuals who can help bring this technology into production
should contact:

Joseph Nolfe
CEO, NEWMAN ENERGY CORPORATION
(205) 835-9022

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2007, 03:29:14 PM »
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A few things strike me as odd in watching this video.  First, the rate at which this 1650 pound armature assembly accellerates from a dead stop is just incredible (read non-believable) based on the assertion that its only start-up power source is a few little nine volt batteries.  If it started up real slowly, I'd still have trouble believing it but this giant mass just overcomes its inertia way too fast for me to swallow.

Second, he mentions how he demonstrated his earlier versions way back in 1986 in Washington DC.  That's 21 years ago.  It's unfathomable that he's still in essentially the same position with it.  Still doing demonstrations in a barn, still looking for investors, still promoting like crazy.  Seems like after this much time gone by there would have been more progress toward commercial use and manufacture.  Joseph must be among the record-holders for keeping people interested without ever delivering a commercial product. 

Lastly, I thought the thread title said self-running with no batteries.  That's the promise for the near future setup, I gather.  Seems like an endless delaying game.  But, hey, he seems to be getting closer every few years so maybe this will be the big one coming up!  Self-Running!  That would be something, all right!  Then I guess the production of free excess energy will be next year, maybe.

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Couple points of interest, observations,
From the video he has 16  9 volt alkanines in series appears  around time 9.20-9.40
That is about 144 volts

From data sheet product #522 ? Product Group Energizer Alkaline
http://data.energizer.com/SearchResult.aspx

Energy capacity per 9 volt cell is 625 mAh for a total of 10000 mAh (miliamphours) or 10 Ah (amphours) at light drain.

Does anyone know if rechargeable batteries were ever used (NiCad NiMh or LiIon can take a lot of charging cycles) and some of the back spike was used to keep them charged.? and the system self sustain?
Also it appears to be slowing down at about 1 revolution loss for every 15 mins, with no load other than bearing friction air friction and possible emf losses if any.

Also it took about 58 seconds to coast down to a stop from about 30 rpm. It indicates pretty good bearings, low friction etc

It would be interesting to have the voltage readings of these 9v cells at the end of the demo.

The start up acceleration to initial steady state is remarkable.

Interesting stuff.
Thanks

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It would seem to be totally manageable to have a bicycle
rim generator or any other DC permanent magnet motor/generator
tagged onto the rim of that large rotating wheel.
briefly energized with those 9volt batteries to get it going??

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Couple points of interest, observations,
From the video he has 16  9 volt alkanines in series appears  around time 9.20-9.40
That is about 144 volts

From data sheet product #522 ? Product Group Energizer Alkaline
http://data.energizer.com/SearchResult.aspx

Energy capacity per 9 volt cell is 625 mAh for a total of 10000 mAh (miliamphours) or 10 Ah (amphours) at light drain.

Does anyone know if rechargeable batteries were ever used (NiCad NiMh or LiIon can take a lot of charging cycles) and some of the back spike was used to keep them charged.? and the system self sustain?
Also it appears to be slowing down at about 1 revolution loss for every 15 mins, with no load other than bearing friction air friction and possible emf losses if any.

Also it took about 58 seconds to coast down to a stop from about 30 rpm. It indicates pretty good bearings, low friction etc

It would be interesting to have the voltage readings of these 9v cells at the end of the demo.

The start up acceleration to initial steady state is remarkable.

Interesting stuff.
Thanks


Hi Mike!

The ampere hour capacity is not multiplied when the batteries are in series.  It's still 625mah total, not 10ah.  Gotcha on that one!   Reason?  Same identical current in every battery and same as flowing in the external circuit.  If 1/16 of total external current flowed in each battery, then you can multiply, but that would be a parallel hookup.

If we got to multiply the voltage and the current, we'd have to be able to do the same for paralleling.  And we'd get to square the power every time we doubled the number of batteries!  Instant OU!  It's Kirchoff's Law or some such thing like that.

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Couple points of interest, observations,
From the video he has 16  9 volt alkanines in series appears  around time 9.20-9.40
That is about 144 volts

From data sheet product #522 ? Product Group Energizer Alkaline
http://data.energizer.com/SearchResult.aspx

Energy capacity per 9 volt cell is 625 mAh for a total of 10000 mAh (miliamphours) or 10 Ah (amphours) at light drain.

Does anyone know if rechargeable batteries were ever used (NiCad NiMh or LiIon can take a lot of charging cycles) and some of the back spike was used to keep them charged.? and the system self sustain?
Also it appears to be slowing down at about 1 revolution loss for every 15 mins, with no load other than bearing friction air friction and possible emf losses if any.

Also it took about 58 seconds to coast down to a stop from about 30 rpm. It indicates pretty good bearings, low friction etc

It would be interesting to have the voltage readings of these 9v cells at the end of the demo.

The start up acceleration to initial steady state is remarkable.

Interesting stuff.
Thanks


Hi Mike!

The ampere hour capacity is not multiplied when the batteries are in series.  It's still 625mah total, not 10ah.  Gotcha on that one!

Humbugger

Are you sure?

You may draw the same current as one but the starting voltage is 144 volts...

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I'm sure.  See the edits my last post.  You're too fast for me!

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To keep it simple,
take the energy stored in a cpapcitor that can be discharged over a "constant current circuit" for simplification purposes.

A capacitor charged at 150 volts, discharging one amp, and a capacitor  charged  at 1 volt also discharging at 1 amp.

Are you saying they are storing the same amount of energy?

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I'm sure.  See the edits my last post.  You're too fast for me!

heh,
The total energy of the system is additive. (energy per battery x number of batteries)

Either 144 volts at 1 amp (in series)

or

9 Volts at 16 amps in (parrallel)

Is the same total energy

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To keep it simple,
take the energy stored in a cpapcitor that can be discharged over a "constant current circuit" for simplification purposes.

A capacitor charged at 150 volts, discharging one amp, and a capacitor  charged  at 1 volt also discharging at 1 amp.

Are you saying they are storing the same amount of energy?

Not at all.  I'm say that 16 identical batteries store 16x the energy of one, whether they are series or parallel doesn't matter.  What you're implying is that in series, they store 16^2 x the energy and in parallel only 16x the energy.  See?  It can't work that way.

Hum

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I'm sure.  See the edits my last post.  You're too fast for me!

heh,
The total energy of the system is additive. (energy per battery x number of batteries)

Either 144 volts at 1 amp (in series)

or

9 Volts at 16 amps in (parrallel)

Is the same total energy

Exactly right, of course.  So you get to multiply the current capacity only if they are in parallel and not if they are in series.  Right?  Are we on the same page now?  You were multiplying both I and E, which is cheating.

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