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Offline Andre

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A baby can move that if he/she was using a long enough lever.   Your hand and arm is not a solid lever, yes then you will need many hands to move it.  Small power apply over a long enough distance can accomplish magic because of simple phenomena of Torque (Nm) = Power (N) x distance (m)
Archimedes:?Give me a lever long enough and I will move the earth?

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We are looking for a conventional 1HP generator that operates on LOW rpms -- in the 100 rpm range. There may be some windmill-related generators that operate at those speeds.  We would like to find a USA supplier.  If you have any contacts/sources that might sell such a generator, we'd be interested.



Cool but is this to demonstrate power output or to make it a selfrunner like we are all patiently awaiting?

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If this thing works from voltage and not current, then lets see it run from a capacitor.

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Joseph Newman's big mistake was in spending the last 10 years re-engineering the device to get rid of the hugh back-EMF spikes, in favor of more mechanical energy.  That he has done this is evident in his 2006 European patent filings and he's said as much in some of the videos.  That 7,800 lb. monstrosity is an albatross that he would do well to abandon in place.

Newman took that approach (designing the backspikes out of the system) after many frustrating years in which the obvious overunity energy output would fry batteries and blow capacitors, and could not be effectively harnessed by conventional approaches, despite the fact that many sources confirmed it to average >COP=8 (800% efficient, output from input).

Joe Newman and Stan Meyer were both too ego driven to ever take notice of one another, even though they were contemporaries on the free energy circuit, travelling around the country at the same time in the 1980s.   The fact is that the original Newman machine puts out the same HF/HV waveform, at the same polarity, as is required by the Meyer Water Fuel Cell as Input.   You send those huge backspikes through the WFC - "a water capacitor that likes to be blown", and it achieves sudden, catastrophic dielectric breakdown of the water, producing copious amounts of hydroxy fuel gas in the process - AND giving off a nice, straight DC power output from the WFC's Electron Extraction Circuit, which will charge batteries just fine.

The Newman device you want is not the modern linear one with all the magnets and the flat radial coils around it, its the older version, with one big magnet rotating in the center of two coils, as in Fig. 6 of his PCT patent, which is now expired and in the public domain.   We have found that there are four obvious improvements to it which should greatly increase its performance (none of which has Newman himself implemented):

1.  NdFeB-50 Supermagnets have been used to improve the performance of all kinds of motors and generators, as detailed in http://consult-g2.com/papers/paper17/paper.html and the next generation of Newman machines should be construcfed with them.

2.  Tinned Copper wire coils were found by Electrodyne Corp. to produce 3x the magnetic field of those wound with conventional copper wire, as per The Manual of Free Energy Devices and Systems by D.A. Kelly

3.  Coils wound as Bifilar have been demonstrated to hold 250,000x the energy of conventional coils of the same wire size and composition in pulsed high voltage applications, as first detailed in the original Tesla coil patent  http://www.freepatentsonline.com/0512340.pdf   This produces much higher backspikes than any Newman machine to date.

4.  A ferric steel 'keeper' has been conclusively shown to concentrate the magnetic flux and increase the performance of motors/dynamos by a factor of three, in the Lindemann video "Electric Motor Secrets".

An enhanced implementation of the original (Fig. 6) Newman machine, which delivered most of its energy in the back EMF spikes, incorporating these improvements is shown below:

It is hoped that this version can serve as a common module for use with both an automotive Water Fuel Cell, and for home power applications as part of a Tesla Switch assembly, known as the Geovoltaic Energy Pump.  http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Geovoltaic_Energy_Pump_(GVEP)


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Hi Over Unity.Com sharp minded Fellows!

I'm notably impressed by the H2earth's post.

Sorry for disturbing -I'm not a scientist- but, may I direct you to: http://freenrg.info/TESLA/
And notably to:
http://freenrg.info/TESLA/Nikola_Tesla_Complete_Patents.pdf
and: http://freenrg.info/TESLA/Nikola_Tesla_Us_Patents_Index.pdf

Where you can find an huge (40 Meg) .pdf file which includes (all? = more than 120) US Tesla patents. 500 pages. Check out your printer :).

IMHO: After having read some of this patents I'm now beginning to figure out that he seems telling us a kinda story along with his patents (should I say a 'novel') and that you have to read them all to get the whole picture.Very strange feeling indeed. 

Best

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Here is the latest video of Joe Newman pumping now more water.
Have not watched it fully yet, so no comment yet from me:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1755299866270167042

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Now it seems he pumps this much water with around only 20 Watts only.
Not bad.

This could easily be powered by a low output solar panel...

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Hi all, nothing new on the joe newman website not only have we not seen a selflooping motor there dosnt seem to be any other demonstrations things seem to be quiet with him, at the end of the latest demonstration he asked for money which is very odd, the thing is im starting to get the feeling that he has retired and we arnt gunna see him again and that the plee for donations is a way of wraping things up with 
whatever last bits of money he can get, i seriously hope that im wrong.

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DECEMBER 2007

SPEED IS POWER
Speed is very important in a collision.
If you double the speed of a car,
you increase its force of impact four times.
If you triple the speed, the impact is nine times as great.

Accordingly, the Newman Energy Machine in principle
produces unlimited speed: unlimited power!

Above is the latest addition to the newman website just that no more no less which means no links, wow speed is power we understand what your on about joe lets see some action.

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DECEMBER 2007

SPEED IS POWER
Speed is very important in a collision.
If you double the speed of a car,
you increase its force of impact four times.
If you triple the speed, the impact is nine times as great.

Accordingly, the Newman Energy Machine in principle
produces unlimited speed: unlimited power!

Above is the latest addition to the newman website just that no more no less which means no links, wow speed is power we understand what your on about joe lets see some action.

Well ok.  Let's see.

If you keep the resistance held, then power is proportional to current squared.  This is when you keep the same coil, not the same voltage.  If you want to get the most power out of 9V battery, then you use commutators to make the voltage of the wire go up and down as often as possible, because when ever the connection is not there, you are not using the voltage.  So basically, if you want to build more for you money, its best to at least double the number of commutator hits per rotation, and if doing so doubles the current, it will will quadruple the power, while only halving the longevity of the battery, so overall you get twice the energy output.  If instead of increasing the number of commutator touches you connect two 9V in series, keep in mind that the 9V batteries have a resistance of their own, so you won't be able to double the current that way.  Copper wire has resistance measured in ohms per kilometer, whereas a 9V battery may have several ohms.  You would also be eating up the batteries faster that way, not good for longevity.  Believe it or not, if your motor touches the commutator for long, then you are loosing a lot of charge.  There should only be enough to give it the kick.  Therefore I feel that trying to get most out the single battery is a good goal.  After all, a 9V battery costs $4.  And $4 can get you 100 kilowatt hours of electricity, or 43 days worth of nutritional calories.  What we need is a Newman machine that can run on a 9V battery with about 100 watts of output for 43 days.

Actually I have a better idea.  Because we know that resistance of the batteries are much higher than even 1 km of copper wire, we should NOT connect the batteries in series, because that won't change the current.  Not only that, it will waste the rest of the charges!  Instead, we should simply hook the batteries in parallel and have all them run at the same time so that we DO get more current. In fact, I tried this and got better results than when I connected them in series, I now have my Newman machine actually jumping now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmIqy-Zk030
« Last Edit: December 30, 2007, 05:39:24 PM by kmarinas86 »

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #100 on: December 30, 2007, 07:24:00 PM »
DECEMBER 2007

SPEED IS POWER
Speed is very important in a collision.
If you double the speed of a car,
you increase its force of impact four times.
If you triple the speed, the impact is nine times as great.

Accordingly, the Newman Energy Machine in principle
produces unlimited speed: unlimited power!

Above is the latest addition to the newman website just that no more no less which means no links, wow speed is power we understand what your on about joe lets see some action.

Well ok.  Let's see.

If you keep the resistance held, then power is proportional to current squared.  This is when you keep the same coil, not the same voltage.  If you want to get the most power out of 9V battery, then you use commutators to make the voltage of the wire go up and down as often as possible, because when ever the connection is not there, you are not using the voltage.  So basically, if you want to build more for you money, its best to at least double the number of commutator hits per rotation, and if doing so doubles the current, it will will quadruple the power, while only halving the longevity of the battery, so overall you get twice the energy output.  If instead of increasing the number of commutator touches you connect two 9V in series, keep in mind that the 9V batteries have a resistance of their own, so you won't be able to double the current that way.  Copper wire has resistance measured in ohms per kilometer, whereas a 9V battery may have several ohms.  You would also be eating up the batteries faster that way, not good for longevity.  Believe it or not, if your motor touches the commutator for long, then you are loosing a lot of charge.  There should only be enough to give it the kick.  Therefore I feel that trying to get most out the single battery is a good goal.  After all, a 9V battery costs $4.  And $4 can get you 100 kilowatt hours of electricity, or 43 days worth of nutritional calories.  What we need is a Newman machine that can run on a 9V battery with about 100 watts of output for 43 days.

Actually I have a better idea.  Because we know that resistance of the batteries are much higher than even 1 km of copper wire, we should NOT connect the batteries in series, because that won't change the current.  Not only that, it will waste the rest of the charges!  Instead, we should simply hook the batteries in parallel and have all them run at the same time so that we DO get more current. In fact, I tried this and got better results than when I connected them in series, I now have my Newman machine actually jumping now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmIqy-Zk030

volts   9   each battery
batteries   1000000   9V ones
longevity   1.00   hours
power   90,000,000,000.00   watts 90 GIGAWATTS!!!!!
cost/battery    $4
cost    $4,000,000.00    per hour
cost/(power*hours)    $0.04    per KwH
batteries/hour   1000000

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #100 on: December 30, 2007, 07:24:00 PM »
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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #101 on: December 30, 2007, 10:07:41 PM »
Joseph Newman's big mistake was in spending the last 10 years re-engineering the device to get rid of the hugh back-EMF spikes, in favor of more mechanical energy.  That he has done this is evident in his 2006 European patent filings and he's said as much in some of the videos.  That 7,800 lb. monstrosity is an albatross that he would do well to abandon in place.

Newman took that approach (designing the backspikes out of the system) after many frustrating years in which the obvious overunity energy output would fry batteries and blow capacitors, and could not be effectively harnessed by conventional approaches, despite the fact that many sources confirmed it to average >COP=8 (800% efficient, output from input).

Joe Newman and Stan Meyer were both too ego driven to ever take notice of one another, even though they were contemporaries on the free energy circuit, travelling around the country at the same time in the 1980s.   The fact is that the original Newman machine puts out the same HF/HV waveform, at the same polarity, as is required by the Meyer Water Fuel Cell as Input.   You send those huge backspikes through the WFC - "a water capacitor that likes to be blown", and it achieves sudden, catastrophic dielectric breakdown of the water, producing copious amounts of hydroxy fuel gas in the process - AND giving off a nice, straight DC power output from the WFC's Electron Extraction Circuit, which will charge batteries just fine.

The Newman device you want is not the modern linear one with all the magnets and the flat radial coils around it, its the older version, with one big magnet rotating in the center of two coils, as in Fig. 6 of his PCT patent, which is now expired and in the public domain.   We have found that there are four obvious improvements to it which should greatly increase its performance (none of which has Newman himself implemented):

1.  NdFeB-50 Supermagnets have been used to improve the performance of all kinds of motors and generators, as detailed in http://consult-g2.com/papers/paper17/paper.html and the next generation of Newman machines should be construcfed with them.

2.  Tinned Copper wire coils were found by Electrodyne Corp. to produce 3x the magnetic field of those wound with conventional copper wire, as per The Manual of Free Energy Devices and Systems by D.A. Kelly

3.  Coils wound as Bifilar have been demonstrated to hold 250,000x the energy of conventional coils of the same wire size and composition in pulsed high voltage applications, as first detailed in the original Tesla coil patent  http://www.freepatentsonline.com/0512340.pdf   This produces much higher backspikes than any Newman machine to date.

4.  A ferric steel 'keeper' has been conclusively shown to concentrate the magnetic flux and increase the performance of motors/dynamos by a factor of three, in the Lindemann video "Electric Motor Secrets".

An enhanced implementation of the original (Fig. 6) Newman machine, which delivered most of its energy in the back EMF spikes, incorporating these improvements is shown below:

It is hoped that this version can serve as a common module for use with both an automotive Water Fuel Cell, and for home power applications as part of a Tesla Switch assembly, known as the Geovoltaic Energy Pump.  http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Geovoltaic_Energy_Pump_(GVEP)



We don't necessarily need to go over unity to get a lot of electrical power in a small package.  RI^2=VI can come in a very large or very small package.  We should use wire to the limits of its current capacity without air conditioning.  It's ok that Newman's motor runs cold, but c'mon, current is not that expensive!  With the same coil resistance and current, the resistance of the wire times the current^2 will give the same power.  With the coil connected between all the batteries at the same time, you will actually be able to let the loop of wire utilize the charges in all the batteries not just the one in the leading battery because you avoid shorting them.  Most of the time, when people connect batteries in series, then connect the batteries directly, in effect, shorting the batteries before the current going directly between them can do for work through a large coil.  Now it is possible to connect the batteries in such a way so that electricity can go through the coil before going into another battery, from which more current can leave and go through the coil before going into another battery, but that's more like a parallel connection than a series connection, since the coil is basically between all the batteries.  However, doing it that way should be far superior than shorting the vast majority of your batteries in a traditional series connection.  Sorry that I repeat myself so many times, but the result is clear.  I've seen it with my own eyes.  Stop shorting the batteries in series when making a Newman machine, so that you machine will run better.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2007, 10:59:57 PM by kmarinas86 »

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Are those battery calculations correct?  That is astounding!  I am going to get my electric bill and see how many kw/hours I used last month.  Maybe I could figure out how many batteries I would need and compare.  My electric bill was only $33.00 (USD) and that won't buy a lot of $4.00 batteries. Is there an economy of scale or something to this?  I learn something new here every day. Thanks.

Bill

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Re: Newman machine with a closed loop selfrunning without batteries or solar pan
« Reply #103 on: December 31, 2007, 02:38:36 AM »
Is there an economy of scale or something to this?

I was right as long as the length of the wire as a resistance that is negligible compared to the resistance of one battery, then the current should be able to increase despite having the same voltage.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2007, 06:17:34 AM by kmarinas86 »

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volts   9   each battery
batteries   1000000   9V ones
longevity   1.00   hours
power   90,000,000,000.00   watts 90 GIGAWATTS!!!!!
cost/battery    $4
cost    $4,000,000.00    per hour
cost/(power*hours)    $0.04    per KwH
batteries/hour   1000000

Really? it sounds to me youve done your home work , well if this is true are you able to use this power ? what about linking a light bulb in there and see what you get after all thats what its all about.

 

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