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hydroxy powered motor
« on: July 21, 2007, 11:55:58 PM »
 welcome I have spent years playing around with this engine. It runs on Hydroxy ( Hydrogen-oxygen)  made by an electrolysis process that many people have been working on and I felt it was time to introduce this engine to the forum.  I'm giving this to everyone so it can be built  and everyone can make a little profit for them selfs as they see fit, I'm not looking for any monetary gain- I'll build my own units. I'll start out with the major parts and we can refine as needed. one thing will have to be dealt with is the ignition system I have plans on and will present a copy and see how it go's. Any Questions feel free to ask  I'll post photos  of parts and give the reference to what it is and it's function , I suggest every one that wants to do this, down load the page I'm sure someone that has adobe will be able to put this in PDF format as a user manual. I have chatted with some other folks about this thread and are willing to help out with the cad work and machining CAd file that will be needed. OK here WE go!!!!! july -21- 2007
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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2007, 12:11:00 AM »
  This is the first part on the engine , The cylinders - There are 6 cylinders on each end on the Motor , heres a model in the photo . the ends are 1/2 inch Aluminum Plate machined for the cylinder insert and the Valving system , the vavle will be coved in another reply. the cylinders are about 2 inches in diameter and have a 1 inch stroke . These are from weed eaters so the size you use will very, the prices i have gotten for the pistons were fairly cheep.
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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2007, 12:24:23 AM »
 this reply will deal with the rotor cam.  The cam is 6 inches in Diameter and 2 inches thick with a serpentine cam wave machined in to its faces, This is where the bearing from the piston connecting rod rides on ( there are 2 pistons on each rod - this is due to opposing firring of the ignition system ) every cylinder is opposite on each end of the motor making a total of 12 cylinders. The first photo is the cam model laying on the cylinders with a small flash lite as the connecting rod to show where the cam relation the the stroke occurs.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2007, 01:51:02 AM by Motorcoach1 »

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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2007, 12:37:10 AM »
 This is the drive shaft and end caps that will be the exhaust  to drive the small turbos (one for each end of the motor) this is a 56c frame but I'm going to a larger frame an 86c frame this will allow for the valves to be machined and have plenty of room for exhaust and valves. Theses are striped out Electric motors and just a few parts from the frame are used end caps and shaft (with armature pressed off ) and new bearings , these bearings are real beefy and not to expensive about 4 to 8 dollars each. The end caps have to be gotten off 2 motors you need the C end this is flat and has plenty of room inside. This will be bolted to the 1/2 aluminum plates the the cylinders and valves are machined in. I hope Joe dirt can get us a rendering of the cut away view of the motor so everyone can see how the parts fit together soon. ;D                                                                                                             These Motor can be gotten from electric motor rebuilders , generaly they would give them to you or sell them as salvage , just explane what you are useing them for and a lot of time the rebuilder will work with you and give you a hand in takeing it apart.  you want to get the 86c frame motor and c end caps
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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2007, 01:00:06 AM »
 Part 4 . this is where I explain the graph and cam to function of the motor. the first photo is the cam laid out flat and the second one is the one lobe on the cam, we'll start at the high point from the left. as the cam turns on the shaft driving the pistons back and forth the power stroke occurs here and the cam is turned to the piston goes the bottom ( while this one is at TBC total bottom center the piston in the other end of the connecting rod is at it's peak to start its power stroke ) now the piston is at the bottom we have the turbo pumping air into the cylinder , now that we have the air coming in here we only have to deal with the exhaust valve on the other end , These I'm working on using magnetic solenoid valves with built in hydrogen injectors built in them ( that drawing will be covered in an other reply.) the valve stays open even though the piston has moved up. for one helping clear on the burnt gases but we don't want to have to much compression at TDC (top dead center) this may preignite the hydroxy and cause the motor to run back wards. OK so now we have a ONE stroke motor , clean torque , extremely efficient        ( heres a Spiceal note about machineing the cam roter )   The piston rod connecting the 2 pistons together is critical it runs 90 degrees to the cam and the cam gets thinner as the sine gos from top to botton TDC to BDC
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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2007, 02:32:04 AM »
Genius . This is very nicely simplified  .
A couple of days to think about this and I will start on  the idea.
I more or less scrapped the other motor idea for now. I would really
like to Mac out a few parts and put one of your motors together .


Great concept and Build


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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2007, 02:36:16 AM »
 Iron head that would be great , I'm not good on Cad and don't have a good program,  any thing you can do would be greatful. BEP said he would try to get a CAD program for the rotor cam so we can send the file to a machine shop and get parts made , a company Like E-machine online . Mike  ;D

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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2007, 03:11:33 AM »
I will also try and send some DXF or Master cam 9 raw files   for CAD/CAM as well . I have to make the file  to G code them out the the Bridgeport C cutter . Going to take me some time as there is so much going on . Got to prepare the American Coach  Heritage for winter living :) Thanks again Motorcoach1

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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2007, 04:41:40 AM »
Wow! This is WAY out of my league. Nicely done. I hope it works!

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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2007, 04:51:42 AM »
Got everything before this reply. I'm sure I'll be asking questions.

@Ironhead

I'm shooting for DXF out as well. We'll need some dims to do it. I'll have to lay it out so I know what to ask, first.

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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2007, 05:13:05 AM »
Thanks M.C.  8)

Give me some time to visualize in my minds eye and I,ll make a generic model
  for reference,  Fantastic stough,  I love the creativity of this forum ;)

Appreciated
Dirt

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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2007, 05:29:24 AM »
To everyone here

Sounds good we need to collaborate .
I have an online VR chat world where I can show models in real time .
Spiralmatrix.com  if you hit the Download button you can get the free browser
and come to my world named Energy in the world list. We can chat and design in 3D there.
PM me here if you are in the world I spend more time here then there.
Time to sleep now though.

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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2007, 05:38:31 AM »
Will most definately check it out, but the only software on 3d modelling I can
  use (right now) are the freebies :P    But I,ve grown kinda fond of openfx.
  it does export to dfx but hard to get the dimensions to work with other programs.

Got to get offline for a little bit (chores) but will be back..

thanks
Dirt

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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2007, 05:51:58 AM »
Emachineshop.com has free soft ware that does cad work and Alibre design has a free 1 year usage trial pierod  if that helps . Mike

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Re: hydroxy powered motor
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2007, 08:00:44 PM »
  This reply is to look at the Ignition system : the Ignition system is not conventional it uses no points or coil.  There is a disk on one end of the motor , mounted to the drive shaft. This an optical coupling devise that sets the timeing of the motor to fire the ignition system , and operates the valves by magnetic selonoid, the BEMF from the seloniod is what fires the fuel in the motor.  the spark plug as we know it is not used in this motor , what we have is a pezzio spark gap device. seeing we don't have to deal with fossel oils and carbon by products we can elininate these things.             As the valve is entergized to open and exhaust the cylinder the electromagnet is entergized  to operate the valve , as soon as the exhauts is complrted the valve closes , when theis happens the BEMF is stored to be used as the Ignition spark to fire the fuel. Hydroxy fuel is very volitoal this is why the ondemand generator cell are used , only make what you use at the demand point. 
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