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Author Topic: The Pancake Coil  (Read 12736 times)

innovation_station

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The Pancake Coil
« on: July 21, 2007, 04:49:17 PM »
well the tesla pancake coil .......


it is the collector bifolar pancake?

lamp wire or speeker wire

well im playing with this style coil for my 3 collectors and the neat thing i noticed when doing this is this


when i pluse the lower coil with a square wave i can mesure somthing on my upper coil not much but it shows up on my scope so...

now im going to pluse the next coil ontop of it so i now will have the next freq and a little from the last ans so on so when i get up to the top of the collectors i will have more yet

im just playing around but i found some special speeker wire that is 11 ga and flat meaning they are like verry wide lamp wire but thin i wound 6' folded in half like a pancake i will post pictures in this thred later after i play some more

oh yea my pancake was wound around a 4" pvc pipe

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innovation_station

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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2007, 07:09:31 PM »
ok so

i went out and bought some lamp wire today i bought 20 meters of it and i have started to wind pancakes of it it is 18 ga 7 amp wire

ok so i have made so far 2 pancakes out of it  and i got to thinking humm why dont i mak 3 layers of lamp wire pancakes then wrap controls on it then make 2 more of them and stack them the reason i am doing this is the 3 layers of pancakes stacked are almost square the effect is enhanced much when we work with square coils

im winding and will take pictures of it when i finish it

lets start to think 3d

hummmmm .... btw the tube i have is a triode hummmmm

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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2007, 08:04:39 PM »
Great one more thread...
Welcome to the TPU labyrinth.

IS maybe you should study the reciever you bought.
intresting things happen inside of it if it is a so called "Supersonic Hetrodyne" which i believe it is because of the 5 tubes.....you might want to know how it actually works.

HUMMMMMMM.

innovation_station

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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2007, 08:30:38 PM »
yes marco 1 more thred

why not?


yes i want to know alot more about that reciver i bought but not yet unless you would like to add some info to or any one else for that matter

now why 9 pancake coils?

well how about 3 6 9 the power of 3 6 9

9 coils = a lot of diffrent combs also 3 freqs  3 feed backs 3 control coils hummm almost like 3.3333333_ and 6.666666666666_ and 9.999999999_

hummm echo kicks many kicks harmonics hummmm 3d

somthing new anyway why not try it

also the out put of each ring into the input of the next and along with you guessed the beat freq plused


crazy talk

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turbo

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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2007, 09:20:38 PM »
yes marco 1 more thred

why not?

crazy talk

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That's why.

Try it and then talk...
This forum is turning into one big mess because of all the theorists and non stop thread openers.

M

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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2007, 10:00:42 PM »
yes marco 1 more thred

why not?

crazy talk

ist

That's why.

Try it and then talk...
This forum is turning into one big mess because of all the theorists and non stop thread openers.

M


I agree with you Marco. Too much clutter. Back in December we had enough threads on the TPU thing. Now its takeing so much time to read them all it is interfearing with lab time.  I feel compelled to read them because i dont want to miss any thing. On the otherhand its getting out of controll. yes IST the pancake is a great coil to hook your scope to. I've saved my scope countless times useing one as a passive transducer to the scope .M.

turbo

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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2007, 10:47:49 PM »
Most of the things can be posted in the master of magnetics or some other existing thread aswell.
i do not understand why people are acting this way all i know is that it used to be good and now i miss most of the posts because i simply do not know where to start reading and it takes too much time..

Marco

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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2007, 11:11:45 PM »
well all

if we are finished complaining i would like to let you all know that this topic the sm part of this site is only going to grow much bigger as it already has since i have started on this project so put on your seat belt im now going to be back at the tpu agin hardcore this time with all the right tools i have what it takes to crack this thing i know it and in time i will

on another note i finished the the first layer of my new tpu im going to wind the controls on it next so far i have used 18 ga lamp wire 3 pancakes stacked ontop of each other then i wound a feedback coil on top of the 3 pancakes then i put masking tape over the whole thing the feedback coil is 22 ga solid and now the controls will be 22 ga solid and there will be 3 of them  and after i finish that i think it is 1 layer i will make 2 more just like it 


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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2007, 05:33:55 AM »
well i got the first layer done and all hooked up and well i plused all 3 pancakes and controls and let me tell you at the right freq i get some verry intresting pluses on my scope there are lots of kicks but the really neat thing is that every second kick has no negitive taill kick only posotive kicks that is only every second pluse also once i turn the switch in the freq gen from 1 to 10 to 100 1k 100k my wave does not change in shape just makes many many many more of them so hummm

i will take a pic of my scope shot of the wave well i tryed to take a pic of the wave but the flash from the cam makes a glare so i shot a vid of the wave here it is and here is a pic of the coil i made to day


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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2007, 06:07:32 AM »

 

;D

well the more i play the more i love this game

ok so i hooked up my feedback coil to ch 2 of my scope and....

and  the coil up to ch1 of the scope and well all settings were the same on both channels on my feed back coil i had the same pluse and wave as  my pancakes and controls only thing is that it was ringging more and the kicks were much bigger also the pluse was amplifies too but verry clear no junk with just like a mirror of channel 1 but faster

just more fun seams to work well tho  ;)

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ok i shot another vid of my scope this time the wave on the bottom of the screen is my pluse to and from the pancake coils and controls  the top wave is from my feed back coil wound overtop of the pancakes and underneath the controls it is the same only bigger and faster

next i will build another coil the same and stack it then the feed back coil will go into the next 3 pancakes and controls plus the next freq pluse

my feedback coil is running at 51.2 khz
and that is the freq my generator is putting out and sending through my coils


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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2007, 03:38:28 PM »
well in doing some more thinking  this is my latest thought with this tpu

steven said that

it is like a furnice wich fules its self

ok so that means  yes it supplys its own power but it also is its own amp

so no need to amp it  this is what i think ok it is a 3 channel reciver so we need 2 tiroide tubes  1 to start  and 1 to become the phase invertor at the other end of the coil  no amp so if it is a 3 channec reciever then we need 3 channels all the way through the amp right that is why we need triode tubes for vhf because we need 3 freqs 1 slow  1 meduimum 1 fast  and they all start at the coils resonanace then they are x 10 x 100 and so on the reason i say this is because when i got my wave at resosnance on my feedback coil i switches my freq gen to the next valus but did not adjust the freq only the value and it only went faster my wave was the same so now i think it is resonace freq for the coil x _ x_  also im only sending low power through the coil right now but test i have done with a trans former  i put low voltage freq  and got higher voltage around 70 v ac out of it so im thinking similar things with the tpu

well im still building i have to make 3 more pancakes yet then assemble them

and that is what i will be doing

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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2007, 02:07:54 PM »
well i finished ring #2 yesterday and ring#3 today i will be putting it all togatner tonight and plusing it i will post pictures tonight of the setup


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Re: The Pancake Coil
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2007, 06:54:29 AM »
well i now have 2 rings hooked up

and 2 freqs and when generator # 2 is set to 19600 hz and my # 1 gen is at 44kz

ok but the real kool thing is this i have ringing i have majour kicks n spikes but it is plusating the wave

i will shoot a vid of my scope shot bottom line is first freq and first ring top is feed back of top coil

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