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Offline ltseung888

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #555 on: October 24, 2007, 08:45:29 AM »
You are dreaming Lawrence'

When you apply a pulse (any pulse) perpendicular to motion you slow the body in motion down. Brakes operate in such a way. There is no lead out energy in applying a brake.

Hans von Lieven

Dear Hans,

You have to read my posts carefully.  Do not try to twist them.

You can lead out gravitational energy by spinning a wheel with its axle horizontal faster.  There must be acceleration for the tangential force to do work and impart energy to the spinning wheel system.  The most common implementation is via magnetic or electromagnetic means.

You cannot lead out gravitational energy by braking it to cause it to run slower.  You can, however, convert the spinning energy into electrical energy by braking it or via pickup coils.

When we spin a wheel faster, we do not apply force perpendicular to its motion.  We apply the force "in the direction of rotation".

@Gaby,

Thank you for giving me moderator privilege at forum.go-here.nl.  It really helped.

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« Last Edit: October 24, 2007, 10:49:13 PM by ltseung888 »

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #555 on: October 24, 2007, 08:45:29 AM »

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« Reply #556 on: October 24, 2007, 11:00:57 AM »
I believe that every Engineer also knows something about Newton's Laws of Motion.  An object traveling in a straight line with velocity v will continue traveling with velocity v if there were no other forces acting on it.

Can you hear yourself Lawrence?

You are the one telling me that by applying a perpendicular force  (or pulse if you wish), which is acting against the direction of motion you gain energy.

All that will do is COST you energy. Nothing to lead out there but losses.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #557 on: October 24, 2007, 11:29:55 AM »
@Gaby,

Thank you for giving me moderator privilege at forum.go-here.nl.  It really helped.

Lawrence Tseung
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Oh, don't thank me, thank you for sharing all the theories inventions and phylosophies. You've created so much documentation I cant keep up just reading everything.

It's time for us to get more organisation into the documentation. I don't exactly know how jet but a few pages with links sorted by subject would be good.

It's also desireable to have the documentation under named url's in basic html. That way my server doesn't have to do anything to serve the information. It's quite labor intensive but the result is very nice from the readers perspective. We should make it easy to look things up. Here is an example.

http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/liang-xingren
Dr Liang - MAGNETMOTOR.GO-HERE.NL

I'm sure you wrote more about Dr Liang as just that post but it's kind of hard to find at the moment.  Hans is not going to bother searching for it if we cant even find it ourselfs.

I seem to have misplaced our list of inventors, or more like lost it in the forum some place. (haha) I'm sure I can digg it up.

I've also made this page btw

http://forum.go-here.nl/recent

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #558 on: October 24, 2007, 11:32:02 AM »
Can you hear yourself Lawrence?

You are the one telling me that by applying a perpendicular force  (or pulse if you wish), which is acting against the direction of motion you gain energy.

All that will do is COST you energy. Nothing to lead out there but losses.

Hans von Lieven

When did I say - applying a perpendicular force  (or pulse if you wish), which is acting against the direction of motion you gain energy.

If I said such nonsense, I should be detained in class if I were in my early teens.  Did the CIA or the Like modified one of my posts???

Please indicate the source of such nonsense.  Thank you.

Lawrence

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #559 on: October 24, 2007, 12:47:49 PM »
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The real problem for us is that the Chinese patent system is very
difficult to deal with. The patent number you quoted was not recognised.
I am sure it exists; I cannot find anything from that web site.

If you want to help us replicate, then we need the claims in English,
along with the rest of the document and the drawings. That would
be very helpful.
Paul.

Hi Paul,

While I do agree with you wrt what you wrote above, those Chinese patents that are AVAILABLE via the internet at EPO do NOT always include drawings or in other cases claims or even descriptions.  Let me show you an example of that of Lawrence: he wrote the Number as 01123526.6 in his last but one mail, where he also gave the link to the Chinese Patent database and wrote the inventor was Liang Sing Yan.

First, here is a link that takes you to the English language user intro page of the same Chinese Patent database Lawrence gave: http://www.sipo.gov.cn/sipo_English/
(You can also reach this if you use the link by Lawrence and click on 'English' icon at the upper right side corner.)
Second, copy and paste the Number 01123526.6  BUT OMIT decimal .6  so that you search for 01123526 only! ALSO, choose Application Number from the choices under it.
Third, by entering these two and click Go, you receive a new page with 1 result:
ID  App. No.   Title
1  01123526   Cosmic gravity energy acceleration motor vehicle   

and you can click on the title to see some data and the patent Abstract in English:

Title: Cosmic gravity energy acceleration motor vehicle
 Application Number:  01123526  Application Date:  2001.07.30
 Publication Number:  1400384  Publication Date:  2003.03.05
 Approval Pub. Date:    Granted Pub. Date:   
 International Classifi-cation:   F03G7/00
 Applicant(s) Name:  Liang Xingren
 Address:  450052
 Inventor(s) Name:   
 Attorney & Agent:   
Abstract
     In a stainless steel cylinder the intelligent chip and intelligent integrated circuit chip and respectively mounted on its two sides, the centre of the stainless steel cylinder is equipped with a shaft connected with external load, said stainless steel cylinder is connected with external load by means of wire, so that said load which does not use any fuel and can start said cosmic gravitational force energy perpetual motion machine can be rotated. Said invention is applicable to various vehicles, and its volume is small, weight is light and it has no pollution.  

Now the important thing is you can see the Publication Number:1400384 and if you place CN as a start: CN1400384 you have got the patent number known by EPO! And if you search this CN1400384 at EPO patent number search you will find it but no any description, claims or drawings except the the same Abstract text, that is all!

Notice that the Applicant Name is Liang Xingren AS known by EPO!  Lawrence knows this as Liang Sing Yan. (Maybe Xing= Sing?)
If you search for the name Liang Xingren at EPO you end up with some 14 very interesting patent titles but no any drawings, in some cases even no description in Chinese either!
For instance I would rather read his thoughts and solutions on this patent: Gravitational energy generator  (Application Number: 200510132560   Publication Number:1841912 i.e. CN1841912)   
It is possible the Chinese Patent Office did not issue the full patent outside of China??

Regards
Gyula

This was an interesting tutorial. If only I knew how to write Chinese names properly I would have a lot to write about. ^_^ I guess much work remains for us Lawrence. Not one of the inventors you mention seems to enjoy much attention online. But I cant read Chinese of course. Do they get much publicity?

Also, could you try look into the Chinese history of perpetual motion for us? I've found so much stuff it's just silly.

Like those high tech bicycles we have today actually had their first prototypes appear back in 1700. The more popular bike frame we have today is quite an oddball compared to it's much more comfortable ancestors. There use to be the same luxurious decoration on cars as on bikes. Soft seats and copper klaxon's!

The Dutch had pretty much tried every possible kind of bike. Fast and comfortable did not combine in the public opinion for some weird reason. The bicycle races banned the fast bikes for not being bicycle enough. Today people still think the bike they see in the tour the France is a really good bike. While in fact a real human powered vehicle can go over 2 times as fast!

They lie to us all the way obviously.

The Chinese had rockets thousands of years ago. There has to be some forgotten perpetual motion myth for us to decode? A number of interesting jet really old Indian designs have surfaced.  There seems to be no time or part of the world where this wasn't investigated?

Or have they been removed from history again? :-[

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« Reply #559 on: October 24, 2007, 12:47:49 PM »
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« Reply #560 on: October 24, 2007, 01:41:11 PM »
Gaby,

There were indeed stories of perpetual motion machines in China since ancient times.

There are a few that I could quote on top of my head:

(1) The 15 bucket water wheel.  七上八落的水車  This water wheel was supposed to have 7 buckets going up and 8 coming down.  This water wheel could raise water up from a lake or pond with no water movement.  The details of the construction was lost but I am confident that it could be reproduced.  I did the first draft of a possible design using the Lee-Tseung theory on the train from Beijing back to Hong Kong in 2006.

(2) The wooden ox and the floating horse.  三國時代的木牛流馬 These devices were supposed to be produced during the war periods of the Three Kingdom.  The wheels were not circular.  They were unbalanced wheels!  I am confident that they could be reproduced.  They were slow even though that they moved "automatically" with some guidance.  The Lee-Tseung theory indeed could be used to help to recreate these devices.

(3) There are over 60 China Patents or Applications related to perpetual motions if you do a patent search using the Chinese Characters of Perpetual Motion Machine 永動機.  Some other China Patents did not use the term 永動機 but from their descriptions, it was obvious that they implied Perpetual Motion.

(4) Lee Cheung Kin and I appeared in front of the China Patent Office to explain our Lee-Tseung theory.  We got good reception (and recommendation to visit Tsing Hua University).  I am confident that the China Patent Office has extremely competent Scientists who can follow our explanations.

(5) The recent meeting with the top research institutes confirmed my belief.  China just sent its Moon Exploration Rocket this evening (live on the 6:00pm News in Hong Kong).  One of their representatives told us that they had strong interest in our technology.  (I hope China will send a Flying Saucer to the Moon first.)

Lawrence Tseung
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #561 on: October 24, 2007, 03:25:57 PM »
Gaby,

There were indeed stories of perpetual motion machines in China since ancient times.

There are a few that I could quote on top of my head:

yeah, I'm having a hard time looking inside your head. hehehe I knew it was in there some place tho.

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(1) The 15 bucket water wheel.  七上八落的水車  This water wheel was supposed to have 7 buckets going up and 8 coming down.  This water wheel could raise water up from a lake or pond with no water movement.  The details of the construction was lost but I am confident that it could be reproduced.  I did the first draft of a possible design using the Lee-Tseung theory on the train from Beijing back to Hong Kong in 2006.

Thats exactly what we are looking for! This goes up fast  and down slow. If anything a clue of unballanced rotation is provided right here.

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(2) The wooden ox and the floating horse.  三國時代的木牛流馬 These devices were supposed to be produced during the war periods of the Three Kingdom.  The wheels were not circular.  They were unbalanced wheels!  I am confident that they could be reproduced.  They were slow even though that they moved "automatically" with some guidance.  The Lee-Tseung theory indeed could be used to help to recreate these devices.

This is even more amazing!

Sean compared the steorn effect with traveling up and down a hill. I myself discovered that the route though the valley is MUCH shorter as the horizontal route. This is because we are in a gravitational field. Going down hill and up hill again bridges the distance in a fraction of the time. An object can be made to move as fast as you like using the same amount of energy. The energy is only needed for acceleration and even returned when decelerating. Distance and time seem to be unrelated. ^_^

Here we have a guy moving a car using that very same trick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s92wroCdEI

The sticky spots on the road would need to match those on the wheel to stop it. It can be rocked into motion by oscillatory means.

I envision a concrete cylinder 10 meters long 3 meters in height. Both it's ends have opposing egg shapes. Shifting the weight of the load from one end to the other end of the roller will make it roll 1/4 rotation. Only a relatively small weight needs to be shifted to keep the large mass rolling.

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(3) There are over 60 China Patents or Applications related to perpetual motions if you do a patent search using the Chinese Characters of Perpetual Motion Machine 永動機.  Some other China Patents did not use the term 永動機 but from their descriptions, it was obvious that they implied Perpetual Motion.

I think your guess is way below the actual number. If we include those who didn't use the words 永動機 you will find hundreds if not thousands. For example magnetic holding devices. Those all describe switching the flux. The oldest patent I found describes a windmill that looks exactly like a gravity wheel.

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(4) Lee Cheung Kin and I appeared in front of the China Patent Office to explain our Lee-Tseung theory.  We got good reception (and recommendation to visit Tsing Hua University).  I am confident that the China Patent Office has extremely competent Scientists who can follow our explanations.

Unlike the US where the patent office has declared the economic death of the continent.  They even have the citizens applaud the assassination of character.

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(5) The recent meeting with the top research institutes confirmed my belief.  China just sent its Moon Exploration Rocket this evening (live on the 6:00pm News in Hong Kong).  One of their representatives told us that they had strong interest in our technology.  (I hope China will send a Flying Saucer to the Moon first.)

Lawrence Tseung
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yeah,  the first moon mission in human history.  :D

baby steps lol

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« Reply #562 on: October 25, 2007, 07:13:50 PM »
Dear Lawrence: Answers in Red.

Cheers
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Gaby,

There were indeed stories of perpetual motion machines in China since ancient times.

There are a few that I could quote on top of my head:

(1) The 15 bucket water wheel.  七上八落的水車  This water wheel was supposed to have 7 buckets going up and 8 coming down.  This water wheel could raise water up from a lake or pond with no water movement.  The details of the construction was lost but I am confident that it could be reproduced.  I did the first draft of a possible design using the Lee-Tseung theory on the train from Beijing back to Hong Kong in 2006.

Oh how convenient. Just when we need some proof, the stuff is missing? Oh, btw if your theories hold water and it's so easily explained, how come you can't even reproduce a simple experiment other highly educated scientist can testify that Mr. Tseung is no BS. However, we haven't heard anyone of of these smarties confirm you have any substance. Why don't you just do the right thing? i.e prove to the world you are the next Einstein, or simply bury your head in the sand and move on!

(2) The wooden ox and the floating horse.  三國時代的木牛流馬 These devices were supposed to be produced during the war periods of the Three Kingdom.  The wheels were not circular.  They were unbalanced wheels!  I am confident that they could be reproduced.  They were slow even though that they moved "automatically" with some guidance.  The Lee-Tseung theory indeed could be used to help to recreate these devices.

Perhaps the only 'unbalancing' motion we need to investigate is Mr. Tseung's unbalanced mind!  

.....

(4) Lee Cheung Kin and I appeared in front of the China Patent Office to explain our Lee-Tseung theory.  We got good reception (and recommendation to visit Tsing Hua University).  I am confident that the China Patent Office has extremely competent Scientists who can follow our explanations.

Or, perhaps, the Chinese Patent Office officials were too polite to tell you in the face that they think you're NUTs and asked you to go see the 'doctors' in Tsing Hua University? They'll sort you out!

(5) The recent meeting with the top research institutes confirmed my belief.  China just sent its Moon Exploration Rocket this evening (live on the 6:00pm News in Hong Kong).  One of their representatives told us that they had strong interest in our technology.  (I hope China will send a Flying Saucer to the Moon first.)

Moon? The USA has already gone to Mars. Are you still living in the past century?

Lawrence Tseung
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #563 on: October 25, 2007, 08:00:27 PM »
Dear Lawrence: Answers in Red.

You mean you don't even know how to quote Chris? And you don't have an email address? You debunkers are so easy.

Gaby,
There were indeed stories of perpetual motion machines in China since ancient times.

I asked for stories, what part of stories is so hard for you to grasp Chris?

HERE,
http://www.answers.com/stories&r=67

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Oh how convenient.  Just when we need some proof,

Who are this " WE " you are talking about Chris? Cant Chris talk for Chris? Chris claims to have needs, Chris should explain what your needs are Chris.  What is it you NEED?? I asked a question THAT'S WHO, I got an answer. I don't remember asking Christ about anything . I think little Chris should go play thought police some place else.

You try make a rational point how you can demand things from my answers? Don't make me laugh man! You can ask your own question. You really have no right to complain about the answers to my questions.

It's quite the opposite actually. I have no need for any non constructive answer to any of my questions. You have no right to stalk anyone for talking with me. You will need to find a new excuse. Or at least be clear who you are whining about. You are currently whining about the answer to my question. It's non of your business eh?

bye bye debunkor kiddie.


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« Reply #564 on: October 26, 2007, 12:27:03 AM »
It's quite the opposite actually. I have no need for any non constructive answer to any of my questions. You have no right to stalk anyone for talking with me. You will need to find a new excuse. Or at least be clear who you are whining about. You are currently whining about the answer to my question. It's non of your business eh?

bye bye debunkor kiddie.

In your own forum, you can post whatever you like and strike whichever comments you disagree with.  In an open forum, when you post something, you run the risk of being ridiculed.  No one cares what you do and do not have a need for, as far as answers.  When one person spews fantasy, another is free to point this out.

And frankly, what you and Tseung converse about is fantasy.  It is like a child's game of "what if."  You talk about free energy and flying saucers and new forms of government and based on what?  A hypothesis.  It is not even a theory, because the scientific definition of a theory requires some empirical support.  All you have is an idea, and Tseung is apparently no good with tools, so he cannot create the simplest demonstration of any energy being lead out, and you can't either.  All we see are delusional ramblings from him and sycophantic applause from you.

According to Tseung, working free energy devices are coming from China any minute now.  Why don't we put Lead Out on hold until you guys have something to talk about besides Chinese propaganda?  Or are you fishing for money?
« Last Edit: October 26, 2007, 07:04:15 AM by shruggedatlas »

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« Reply #565 on: October 26, 2007, 01:09:08 AM »
Actually yes shrugged atlas.

In his last power point presentation Lawrence asks for people, space and money.

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« Reply #566 on: October 26, 2007, 04:28:50 AM »

In your own forum, you can post whatever you like and strike whichever comments you disagree with.  In an open forum, when you post something, you run the risk of being ridiculed. 

Why don't you shut up idiot??

Is that clear enough for you?

I'm not talking with you here. I'm taking to debunkor whiner kiddie Chis who contributed nothing but complaints. My main complaint is that little Crhis thinks he speaks for the whole world.

Now I want an answer from Crish why he messed with my conversation. You can mind your own business just like Chrish. Shruggedatlas is going to talk for himself. He doesn't have to talk for the chris kiddie.

I asked Lawrence a question, Chish whined about Lawrence daring to answer my question. Now you are going to talk shit about my complaint about this?

Mind your own business idiot.

You can go stalk some one else now.

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« Reply #567 on: October 26, 2007, 04:32:09 AM »
Actually yes shrugged atlas.

In his last power point presentation Lawrence asks for people, space and money.

Hans von Lieven

Actually yes shrugged atlas.

In his last power point presentation Lawrence asks for people, space and money.

Hans von Lieven

Look everyone! Hans is posting about a person in the 3rd person!

This is probably not how his mama raised him.


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« Reply #568 on: October 26, 2007, 06:08:35 AM »
Learn English Gaby,

My reply to a question was grammatically correct and NOT in the third person!

Besides I signed it!

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« Reply #569 on: October 26, 2007, 07:46:51 AM »
Dear Lawrence: Answers in Red.

You mean you don't even know how to quote Chris? And you don't have an email address? You debunkers are so easy.

Gaby,
There were indeed stories of perpetual motion machines in China since ancient times.

I asked for stories, what part of stories is so hard for you to grasp Chris?

HERE,
http://www.answers.com/stories&r=67

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Oh how convenient.  Just when we need some proof,

Who are this " WE " you are talking about Chris? Cant Chris talk for Chris? Chris claims to have needs, Chris should explain what your needs are Chris.  What is it you NEED?? I asked a question THAT'S WHO, I got an answer. I don't remember asking Christ about anything . I think little Chris should go play thought police some place else.

You try make a rational point how you can demand things from my answers? Don't make me laugh man! You can ask your own question. You really have no right to complain about the answers to my questions.

It's quite the opposite actually. I have no need for any non constructive answer to any of my questions. You have no right to stalk anyone for talking with me. You will need to find a new excuse. Or at least be clear who you are whining about. You are currently whining about the answer to my question. It's non of your business eh?

bye bye debunkor kiddie.



Hey Gaby:

First of all, let me say, you must first improve your English before you start posting on a English web site.
Then you need to understand some rules about this Forum, especially to do with replies to posted messages. Then you should also understand what a 'third' person means. After you have done so  I believe you won't be so stressed out. Chill out!

Now, if you still want to play mind games with old Tseung, by all means do so but know that the rest of the people on this Forum has the right to 'participate'. Otherwise, you're free to hang out with Old Tseung in his own delusional forum. eh?

cheers
chrisC

 

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