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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #510 on: October 10, 2007, 11:51:41 PM »
G'day all,

The idea of driving a motor with pulses is nothing new, in fact it is common technology. With the popularisation of electric hand drills in the 1960's there was a demand to have a drill with variable speeds as the mechanical gear boxes allowed only for two speeds, any attempt to add more gears resulted in an unwieldy device that became quite useless because of its weight and dimensions.

Before I get into how it was done in the end I better explain how these drills work, for those of you that are unfamiliar with the technology.

An electric hand drill has an AC/DC motor that drives it. As such it employs brushes, anchor windings and so forth, unlike pure AC motors which do not have brushes but rely on the 50 or 60 Hz phase supplied by the grid. AC/DC motors were chosen because of their superior torque.

At first it was tried to add a rheostat into the circuit, which slowed the motor down alright, but decreased the torque to such an extend that the drill was next to useless except for [1]some applications that did not require high torque  or large speed variations  such as dental drills and sewing machines.

In the 1970's someone had a smart idea, which was soon taken up by industry and is now standard. Instead of choking the current into the machine with a resistor, [2]pulses were fed into the motor instead. Developments in the semiconductor industry allowed for a circuit that could feed the full power of the battery or grid into the motor in short, variable bursts instead. Although there was a decrease in speed, the torque remained largely intact.

[3]No-one has ever reported any gain in ENERGY with these device.

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Dear Hans,

Thank you for a most valuable post.
[1] The Pulse Motor  does require high torque and variable speed to function.  Your explanation is one of the simplest and clearest.

[2] Pulses were used.  An engineer or technician found a solution to solving a problem.  He proceeded to patent and market it.  He was not a theoretician.  He would not sit down with a fishing pole and spent months developing a theory. 

[3] Someone did report that gain in ENERGY could be produced from Pulses.  The poor Joseph Newman spent years fighting the US patent office trying to get a US patent.  He demonstrated his primitive motor ? mainly using it to recharge old batteries.  However, he successfully demonstrated that he could get useful power without depleting the batteries for many years!  He tried to explain it with some gyroscopic theory and recharging by EMF.  Now he knew the Lee-Tseung Theory.  He would be on his way to improve it.  Many others such Bedini, Adams followed.

Mr. Sung Tin Fat in China reported the gain in ENERGY and got a China Patent in early 1990.  He got the Patent by demonstrating a working device.  He tried to explain the source of energy as from the magnetism of the permanent magnets.

Dr. Liang Xingren used IC pulses to rotate the inner cylinder and achieved car engines that could generate 188 HP.  The details were in his patent (translated by Ms. Forever Yuen in this thread).  The car was demonstrated in front of many persons.  The main technical downfall is that it Lead Out gravitational energy and thus could not climb up steep hills.

Mr. Chao Ching San improved the Liang Car with banks of batteries.  Mr. Chao and team drove 1,500 KM to Beijing and got Certified as Electric Car needing 8 KWH per 100 KM.  Details are also available on this thread.

*** If there were no more questions on the simple pulse pendulum, I shall proceed to describe how to build the ?ideal pulse motor?  theoretically.  It has already been built by the CIA or the Like in USA.  Multiple similar projects started in China.  I shall add elements to improve it to a Flying Saucer.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #510 on: October 10, 2007, 11:51:41 PM »

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #511 on: October 11, 2007, 12:03:31 AM »
.....

You you seem to think that 8000 pulses per minute (with each pulse being 1/133 of a second) is a way to lead out energy.  How is a pulse that is 1/133 of a second in duration any different from a punch?

Punch = pass energy to another object.  May even damage it.
Pulse (Lee-Tseung) = pass and lead out energy into same system.  Make sure no harm is done.

You are using circular reasoning.  I am asking you what are the characteristics of a pulse that leads out energy.  You are saying in essence is that a pulse that leads out energy is a pulse that passes and leads out energy.

Damage is merely a factor of how strong the objects are relatively.  In the desk toy example, one pendulum does not damage the other.   The impact is brief, similar to the 1/133 of a second in the example you bring up, so I fail  to see the difference.

Punch = pass energy to another object.  May even damage it.
Pulse (Lee-Tseung) = pass and lead out energy into same system.  Make sure no harm is done.

In Lawyer's terms:
(1) You punch someone, you go to jail.
(2) You push someone, you get a warning.

Your not understanding physics (failing to see) is tolerated.  I shall proceed knowing that you are struggling to follow.  It is impossible to provide years of technical training in a few posts (or hundreds, thousands).

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #512 on: October 11, 2007, 01:25:07 AM »
G'day Lawrence,

I wouldn't be so keen to quote Joseph Newman as support of my theories if I were you. The guy has not an enviable reputation. His so called devices have been kicking around for years and the only beneficiary of his ideas was him, by extracting money from gullible investors.

I do not claim to have a direct line to God, as he claims, nor am I in the habit of "marrying" eight year old girls forcing Child Protection Agencies to step in and remove the child to safer surroundings. Perhaps that disqualifies me from judging his so called efforts.

As to the Chinese patents, all we have is anecdotal evidence which appears very thin if looked at in the harsh light of reality.

I would require a lot more than that to be convinced that there is surplus energy in "Pulse Power".

As to Bedini and Adams, after decades of trying various configurations no real replicable results have been achieved there either.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #513 on: October 11, 2007, 02:04:59 AM »
Attached is the first draft document for discussion of the "ideal Pulse Motor".

It will be revised many times before actual impementation.  It is for those who are willing to take up the challenge of "experimental physicists".  There are no materials list, no circuit diagrams, no step-by-step instructions and no teachers to hold hands when there are problems.

The top Universities and Research Establishments in China already took up the challenge.  You can just wait for their results.  (If you are associated with the CIA or the Like, you may be able to get their working model.)

If you want to have fun, please feel free to contribute.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2007, 10:40:03 AM by ltseung888 »

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #514 on: October 11, 2007, 03:16:39 AM »
.....

You you seem to think that 8000 pulses per minute (with each pulse being 1/133 of a second) is a way to lead out energy.  How is a pulse that is 1/133 of a second in duration any different from a punch?

Punch = pass energy to another object.  May even damage it.
Pulse (Lee-Tseung) = pass and lead out energy into same system.  Make sure no harm is done.

You are using circular reasoning.  I am asking you what are the characteristics of a pulse that leads out energy.  You are saying in essence is that a pulse that leads out energy is a pulse that passes and leads out energy.

Damage is merely a factor of how strong the objects are relatively.  In the desk toy example, one pendulum does not damage the other.   The impact is brief, similar to the 1/133 of a second in the example you bring up, so I fail  to see the difference.

Punch = pass energy to another object.  May even damage it.
Pulse (Lee-Tseung) = pass and lead out energy into same system.  Make sure no harm is done.

In Lawyer's terms:
(1) You punch someone, you go to jail.
(2) You push someone, you get a warning.

Your not understanding physics (failing to see) is tolerated.  I shall proceed knowing that you are struggling to follow.  It is impossible to provide years of technical training in a few posts (or hundreds, thousands).

You attempt to dumb things down for me does not help.  I am not much more removed from this field than you are, despite your claims to be a physicist.  If your resume is accurate, the only credential you have that bears on this discussion is your BS in Physics, acquired 50 years ago.  What else is there, an MS in Aero?  This is not aeronautics.  And professionally, you worked with computer networks.  So please, do not pretend you are a life long physicist.

Second, you did not answer the question.  If a 1/133 of second pulse leads out energy, why does the collision of one pendulum into a still pendulum not qualify as a pulse that leads out energy?  Neither sphere takes any damage.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #515 on: October 11, 2007, 03:30:23 AM »
(3)   If the punch is very slow - to become a push, the String of the Punch bag will move.  The Punch bag system then simulates a Pendulum.  (Pushing a person is very different from punching a person.)

Hope the reasons are clear.

Ok, so you want a gentle force applied through a significant portion of the travel.  How about this:

- a pendulum with a 20g weight and a 20cm string is raised 10cm to a 60 degree angle off vertical and held in place.

- a spring is compressed 3cm, storing 2 mJ of energy, and held against the pendulum weight in such a way that it pushes along the pendulum's direction of travel.

- the pendulum weight is released while other side of the spring is held in place.

- the spring contributes 2 mJ of energy to the pendulum, the pendulum swings down and up to a maximum height of .... what?

CoE says 20cm above the bottom of its travel.  What do you say?
 

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #516 on: October 11, 2007, 03:51:30 AM »

If a 1/133 of second pulse leads out energy, why does the collision of one pendulum into a still pendulum not qualify as a pulse that leads out energy?  Neither sphere takes any damage.

In Physics, consider the momentum of the two spheres before and after the collision.

Before:
Momentum of Pendulum A = m x maximum velocity
Momentum of Pendulum E = 0
Total net momentum = m x maximum velocity

After:
Momentum of Pendulum A = 0
Momentum of Pendulum E = m x maximum velocity
Total net momentum = m x maximum velocity

There is transfer of momentum (and hence energy) from Pendulum A to Pendulum E.  However, there is no external energy input  to lead out  gravitational energy.

In the 1/133 second Pulse (periodic repeated), we use electromagnetic attraction or repulsion to input external energy  to the rotating cylinder.  This additional energy input will lead out both gravitational and electron motion energy.

May be the use of the term Pulse is causing too much confusion.  We can invent a new word - Lee-Tseung Impartation of energy or something.  (This was suggested in the steorn.com forum.)

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #517 on: October 11, 2007, 04:31:06 AM »
sorry to but in, but I do believe lifting the first sphere and giving it gravitational potential energy qualifies as adding energy to the system. unless you mean to say that energy must be added at the time of implulse,

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« Reply #518 on: October 11, 2007, 05:00:57 AM »
Hello Mr. Lawrence,
there is a company in Germany: "Power Hybrid"
Their selling objects are based by the inventions from Mr. Manfred Sonntag(Duisburg).

Mr. Sonntag converted a conventional IC-car to an hybrid-car,
at first this seems not special,
but the electric-motor as electric drive,he got from a washing-machine !
+/-  3 KW max.,for a washing-machine-motor,do you agree ?

The experimental REVA NGX showed an electricity consumption of 24 KWH for 200 KM,
less 6 KWH power recuperation,
this means 18 KWH for 200 KM range or 9 KWH for the 100 KM range !

Why do you think that your example of the 8 KWH/100 KM ,Mr. Chao Ching San`s car, is so special ?
KG weight of the car, max. speed - extraordinary ?

Sincerely
              de Lan?a

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #519 on: October 11, 2007, 06:09:05 AM »
G'day Lawrence,

What gives with these idiotic power point presentations that many cannot read. Post what you have to say in such a way that people with less resources than you can understand what you are saying.

Or, are you afraid to publish your ideas like everyone else??

Hans von Lieven

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« Reply #520 on: October 11, 2007, 06:17:13 AM »
Hello Mr. Lawrence,
there is a company in Germany: "Power Hybrid"
Their selling objects are based by the inventions from Mr. Manfred Sonntag(Duisburg).

Mr. Sonntag converted a conventional IC-car to an hybrid-car,
at first this seems not special,
but the electric-motor as electric drive,he got from a washing-machine !
+/-  3 KW max.,for a washing-machine-motor,do you agree ?

The experimental REVA NGX showed an electricity consumption of 24 KWH for 200 KM,
less 6 KWH power recuperation,
this means 18 KWH for 200 KM range or 9 KWH for the 100 KM  range !

Why do you think that your example of the 8 KWH/100 KM ,Mr. Chao Ching San`s car, is so special ?
KG weight of the car, max. speed - extraordinary ?

Sincerely
              de Lan?a


Some other Figures include maximum speed 102 KM/Hr; rechargeable range 550 KM. 

The extraordinary feature is that the rechargeable function  is adjustable!  The energy consumption can be adjusted to 0KWH or even Negative (providing electricity such as air conditioning). 

It was a political decision  to adjust the consumption to 8KWH/100KM.  Lee Cheung Kin spent a week working on this and was satified that the car engine was similar to the Liang IC Pulse Driven cylinder.

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« Reply #521 on: October 11, 2007, 07:26:35 AM »
G'day all,

I am sorry but someone here has got his wires crossed. The hybrid car by Manfred Sonntag does NOT run on electricity.The washingmachine motor is there as an auxiliary drive mechanism that contributes to the motion of the vehicle during times of PEAK DEMAND.

In his original car that meant that the petrol consumption went from 8l/100 km  to  6l/100km.

That in itself is quite an achievement though nothing of the order of what is claimed here.

In the proposed production version a Peugeot 407 is being converted which changes the petrol consumption from the standard 9.6l/100 km to 8.1l/100 km.   Source:   http://www.swr.de/rasthaus/archiv/2006/02/18/beitrag4.html 

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« Reply #522 on: October 11, 2007, 10:06:36 AM »
Hello Mr. Lawrence,
there is a company in Germany: "Power Hybrid"
Their selling objects are based by the inventions from Mr. Manfred Sonntag(Duisburg).

Mr. Sonntag converted a conventional IC-car to an hybrid-car,
at first this seems not special,
but the electric-motor as electric drive,he got from a washing-machine !
+/-  3 KW max.,for a washing-machine-motor,do you agree ?

The experimental REVA NGX showed an electricity consumption of 24 KWH for 200 KM,
less 6 KWH power recuperation,
this means 18 KWH for 200 KM range or 9 KWH for the 100 KM  range !

Why do you think that your example of the 8 KWH/100 KM ,Mr. Chao Ching San`s car, is so special ?
KG weight of the car, max. speed - extraordinary ?

Sincerely
              de Lan?a


Some other Figures include maximum speed 102 KM/Hr; rechargeable range 550 KM. 

The extraordinary feature is that the rechargeable function  is adjustable!  The energy consumption can be adjusted to 0KWH or even Negative (providing electricity such as air conditioning). 

It was a political decision  to adjust the consumption to 8KWH/100KM.  Lee Cheung Kin spent a week working on this and was satified that the car engine was similar to the Liang IC Pulse Driven cylinder.


Lawrence, Lawrence,  you told a few little liesies here didn't you? Considering the car runs on a conventional petrol motor your description of it and the assessment of the mysterious Lee Cheung Kin is all bullshit as is probably the mystery car from Mr. Liang.

As to a political decision to hide that the car was running on nothing, naughty naughty Mr. Tseung.

Hans von Lieven

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« Reply #523 on: October 11, 2007, 11:55:17 AM »
G'day Lawrence,

What gives with these idiotic power point presentations that many cannot read. Post what you have to say in such a way that people with less resources than you can understand what you are saying.

Or, are you afraid to publish your ideas like everyone else??

Hans von Lieven

the same power point into html presentation

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« Reply #524 on: October 11, 2007, 01:43:56 PM »

Lawrence, Lawrence,  you told a few little liesies here didn't you? Considering the car runs on a conventional petrol motor your description of it and the assessment of the mysterious Lee Cheung Kin is all bullshit as is probably the mystery car from Mr. Liang.

As to a political decision to hide that the car was running on nothing, naughty naughty Mr. Tseung.

Hans von Lieven


Attached is a picture with the mystrious Lee Cheung Kin on the RHS.

 

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